119 Months Ago Today, Terrorists Murdered 3000 Americans

[Oric]

It was destroyed in a terrorist attack which was carried out by muslims.

Which has been used as an excuse to bomb and invade 2 countries and change the whole map of the middle east and near asia. One really wonders the mastermind behind it.

 

[mugs]

Which has been used as an excuse to bomb and invade 2 countries and change the whole map of the middle east and near asia. One really wonders the mastermind behind it.

Maps haven't changed, and no one wonders who was the mastermind. We know who was the mastermind.

 

[mugs]

See another attack from a senior member

Likewise, I suspect that you don't walk around spouting the garbage you post here as fact to your friends.

See, he resorts to calling my post as garbage.

One of my main points is that harassment is a behavior that is learned.

We are not born to harass other people.

We learn all our behaviors from our parents whether they are good or bad.

We are not born to post idiotic shit on Internet forums, and yet...

 

[Oric]

Maps haven't changed, and no one wonders who was the mastermind. We know who was the mastermind.

Look, i live in this part of the world, i have been to many other countries including iran and iraq. I have experienced first hand the changes and horrors brought on to civilians by war. I on the other hand read what AmeRicans read, see and think. If you believe that the only mastermind of the world was a loser Saudi, i can only shake my head in dismay and ask you to read, travel and think more on the realities of thE world.

Start byvreading about contemporary iraq and tell me about the maps later.

 

[sarsipias1234]

We are not born to post idiotic shit on Internet forums, and yet...

And yet senior members make posts that attack people instead of making posts that are intelligent responses to the subject being discussed in the thread.

fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/Noun

1. A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

A forum is exchange of ideas, not an exchange of insults.

 

[CrackRabbit]

And yet senior members make posts that attack people instead of making posts that are intelligent responses to the subject being discussed in the thread.

fo·rum/ˈfôrəm/Noun

1. A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

A forum is exchange of ideas, not an exchange of insults.

This one, is an exchange of insults.
Deal with it or STOP POSTING.
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

 

[sarsipias1234]

This one, is an exchange of insults.
Deal with it or STOP POSTING.
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

You are in the wrong place as this is a forum and not a place to exchange insults.

I am in the right place as I exchange ideas.

So you should leave.

 

[zanejohnson]

you realize more people have died from overdosing on tylenol, then died in that "attack"

 

[sarsipias1234]

Okay, so your argument is that as long as the attack doesn't lead to death the attack is acceptable?

 

[zanejohnson]

Okay, so your argument is that as long as the attack doesn't lead to death the attack is acceptable?

no, im saying the war on terrorism is a farce.


the war machine, will manufacture a war, as long as it can...

 

[Infohawk]

I can't believe people are still sniveling in this thread? What do they hope to gain by it?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Moderators should be moderates, not the die hard supporters of one world view that is often in hard discussion, if that can not be achieved, moderators of the other view should be chosen and participate.

That may ease the criticisms on the actions

FWIW

One of the reasons when I was selected as a Moderator, was that I had different viewpoints than most of the existing Moderators. Doing so, brings different perspectives/viewpoints on issues that may be overlooked when the desk is "stacked" toward on side.

People are not fully neutral; they have opinions. It is how they express and defend them that generates the end result.

Moderators are also allowed to participate in threads as a member. IF there is a problem; other Moderators are then asked to review and handle issues.

If you notice a Moderator participating in a thread as a member and then acting as a Moderator, feel free to report it.

EK
Admin

 

[Oric]

FWIW

One of the reasons when I was selected as a Moderator, was that I had different viewpoints than most of the existing Moderators.

Moderators are also allowed to participate in threads as a member. IF there is a problem; other Moderators are then asked to review and handle issues.

If you notice a Moderator participating in a thread as a member and then acting as a Moderator, feel free to report it.

EK
Admin

Not to blame anyone or you, but mortal members of this forum (us) can not see the "behind the scenes" actions of the moderators. Like "who locked the thread", "who banned the user" etc. So we can not notice a Moderator participating in a thread as a member and then acting as a Moderator. My suggestion was the appointment of another moderator who would have the views to dare to oppose Israel and its policies, because as far as I can tell there is no moderator sharing this POV on the P/N forum and this (Middle East politics) is a frequently debated subject.

 

[Abwx]

FWIW

One of the reasons when I was selected as a Moderator, was that I had different viewpoints than most of the existing Moderators.

That s quite indicative of the general ideology that is
"moderating" this forum given your records...

Being left to the extreme right wouldnt make one
politically balanced...

 

[EagleKeeper]

FWIW

One of the reasons when I was selected as a Moderator, was that I had different viewpoints than most of the existing Moderators.

Moderators are also allowed to participate in threads as a member. IF there is a problem; other Moderators are then asked to review and handle issues.

If you notice a Moderator participating in a thread as a member and then acting as a Moderator, feel free to report it.

EK
Admin

Not to blame anyone or you, but mortal members of this forum (us) can not see the "behind the scenes" actions of the moderators. Like "who locked the thread", "who banned the user" etc. So we can not notice a Moderator participating in a thread as a member and then acting as a Moderator. My suggestion was the appointment of another moderator who would have the views to dare to oppose Israel and its policies, because as far as I can tell there is no moderator sharing this POV on the P/N forum and this (Middle East politics) is a frequently debated subject.

The guidelines that we use and which are posted within the TOS (who reads it though?) is that when we act as a Moderator, we will indicate as such.

You may notice that all my Moderator actions have the

EK
Admin

Where they are not included, I am posting as a member.

You are free to find an thread that I moderated and posted as a member.

When a thread is not locked for obvious reasons (repost or missing commentary), the Moderator should indicate why.

This is two fold
1) To let the membership be aware of the reasoning
2) Documentation in general

Moderators are not selected for a specific ideology such as pro Israel or pro Muslim. Moderators are to selected to ensure that there is no implied bias toward a members behavior based on posts of that member and the other Moderators as members.

To use your Middle East example.

Where I to censure you because of your statements and ideology toward Israel, Turkey or Muslims, that would be wrong and I would be called on the proverbial carpet.

As a member, I have every right to challenge your statements and provide my own viewpoint.

Again, I will state: You are free to find an thread that I moderated and posted as a member or even anyone that has been punished due to statements that I disagreed with.

With respect to the OP; the explanation for banning was stated for all membership to see. Not one indication of ideology was referenced. This issue has also been under review before and afterwards by the Moderators. This thread was not even the final straw; it was his actions afterwards. this thread just happens to be the medium in which our displeasure/frustration toward the perp was documented for all to view and attempt to understand.

There are still some that refuse to read the words; feeling that this is a conspiracy to shut up the OP. we are not stopping those people for indicating as such; however, they need to be careful on where they step; disagreement is acceptable, Mod callouts are not.


EK
Admin

 

[shortylickens]

My experience with this forum is that this forum is filled with abused and sick people.

 

[Abwx]

I just received a warning for some post in this thread....

 

[Oric]

EK : Can you give an example of a thread where bashing nations of the Middle East (like Palestenians) or religious beliefs (like Islam) has been treated as a "conspiracy theory". You (not you specifically, I am addressing the moderation in general) are being criticised because as good persons as you are, you have been conditioned, fed or taught your view of the world from a certain perspective and can easily mark a subject like this thread as "conspiracy" while millions of people in the world seriously believe and defend this POV as being the truth.
Similarly, when certain posters go off limits to generalize or stereotype other nations (of the ME) and beliefs (Islam) in a negative manner, they go off unnoticed, when their claims are ridicilously wrong or depend on conspiracy theories, they don't get banned or their threads remain open.

Unfortunately, unlike many subjects discussed in this forum, Middle East politics is one subject where United States and the rest of the world are in pure disagreement and we see this approach and division of opinion and favorism in P/N.

Why am I posting this ? " You can mind your own business and go if You don't like it" you may say. I feel that AT, being a diverse and highly intellectual platform deserves to get better. It is your choice in the end

 

[Nemesis 1]

Okay, so your argument is that as long as the attack doesn't lead to death the attack is acceptable?

I pretty much agree. But this forum is pretty open to rubbing salt in a wounds all the members know that .
Black /White I love its purity.

You are talking into gray areas . An an example would be sensitivity of another poster.

This section of the forum is a rough place to hang out and it adds character to the forums in general here at AT.
If your in another section of the forum and you talk the same as they do here. The mods are quick to say take it to P/N or other members say it . TO hang out in P/N ya need a thick skin . We do have character in this section . Some like me are over the top . But that just makes for more entertainment for the guys /Gals that post or read in this section.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I just received a warning for some post in this thread....

Did you actually read the warning?

Just like you actually read the comments in the OP

EK
Admin

 

[EagleKeeper]

EK : Can you give an example of a thread where bashing nations of the Middle East (like Palestenians) or religious beliefs (like Islam) has been treated as a "conspiracy theory". You (not you specifically, I am addressing the moderation in general) are being criticised because as good persons as you are, you have been conditioned, fed or taught your view of the world from a certain perspective and can easily mark a subject like this thread as "conspiracy" while millions of people in the world seriously believe and defend this POV as being the truth.
Similarly, when certain posters go off limits to generalize or stereotype other nations (of the ME) and beliefs (Islam) in a negative manner, they go off unnoticed, when their claims are ridicilously wrong or depend on conspiracy theories, they don't get banned or their threads remain open.

Unfortunately, unlike many subjects discussed in this forum, Middle East politics is one subject where United States and the rest of the world are in pure disagreement and we see this approach and division of opinion and favorism in P/N.

Why am I posting this ? " You can mind your own business and go if You don't like it" you may say. I feel that AT, being a diverse and highly intellectual platform deserves to get better. It is your choice in the end

Please review the OP comments.

He made the mistake of diving head first into the shallow end of the pool multiple times.
Either the pool bottom was going to be cracked or his head.
We intervened to protect both items.

You may notice that threads that are started by other Muslims or their supporters are not locked by the Moderators even when they may conflict with our ideas and that of most members.

Censorship of views is not intended; discussion and conflict are accepted.
When it starts to go beyond such; then the Moderators try to cool down the flames if possible with a little nudge here and there. similar to a tugboat guiding a cruise ship into its berth.

EK
Admin

 

[Oric]

"Mistake" you say, I see no mistake on his side. That is the problem. Anyway, thank you for your sincere views and time. Discussion is over for me on this thread.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I bet none of the people passing judgement on "this crap" have ever read a book by Webster Tarpley or even watched a movie like Fabled Enemies. This used to be a country of people who could not be hoodwinked. Now it is just a land of passive cowards who worship the government and the corporations and bankers that control it. I dont know where people get off calling this or that a conspiracy theory without every bothering to look at the absolutely incredible wealth of documents and data that clearly show reality is not at all what it is presented to be. I used to debate this stuff but nowadays its not even a matter of debate. How can you debate with people who dont even understand logical fallacies. In another 10 years most people wont even be able to form complete sentences. But you can be damn sure all these people will just know what the truth is. The truth is that what is being done to people is way more insidious that 100 9/11s. Our humanity is being methodically stripped away and we are just one or two generations away from completely losing all critical thinking ability from western cultures.

They are not cowards and may very well not be passive. I would trem this people as being comfortable with the way things are . In that they are not viewing a world perspective . The plain truth as I see it from my perspective is ever since JFK was murdered by whomever America has changed. In how the gobberment operates. I would call it terrorism at the excutive level. ANY way I don't know the facts of 9/11 but I do know for fact something is very wrong with the official version of what took place

 

[Nemesis 1]

I really don't know what went wrong with this topic but The OP was crucified here period . Is what he did was adderess one conspirecy theory with another . I not saying whos right whos wrong as we all have to make choices .

The ops claims are not unfounded . but they certainly are not proven .

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/khazar-empire-illuminati-and-new-world-order/

 

[Broheim]

EK : Can you give an example of a thread where bashing nations of the Middle East (like Palestenians) or religious beliefs (like Islam) has been treated as a "conspiracy theory". You (not you specifically, I am addressing the moderation in general) are being criticised because as good persons as you are, you have been conditioned, fed or taught your view of the world from a certain perspective and can easily mark a subject like this thread as "conspiracy" while millions of people in the world seriously believe and defend this POV as being the truth.
Similarly, when certain posters go off limits to generalize or stereotype other nations (of the ME) and beliefs (Islam) in a negative manner, they go off unnoticed, when their claims are ridicilously wrong or depend on conspiracy theories, they don't get banned or their threads remain open.

Unfortunately, unlike many subjects discussed in this forum, Middle East politics is one subject where United States and the rest of the world are in pure disagreement and we see this approach and division of opinion and favorism in P/N.

Why am I posting this ? " You can mind your own business and go if You don't like it" you may say. I feel that AT, being a diverse and highly intellectual platform deserves to get better. It is your choice in the end

because unlike "dirty joos did 911 !!!11!!oneone!!1!!!one" there's plenty of perfectly good reasons for bashing palestinians and islam... just like any other nationality and religion.

you don't seem to realize this is a western forum (mainly american) and is therefore almost exclusively populated by westerners, we'll be western here and you go be assbackwards down at your local mosque, mmmkay?