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[spaceman]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ness1469

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: L vis

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
... WinME is not going to run worth a crap on a machine that runs WinXP at lightning speed, much less a machine that runs Win95. Eat it, never trade with him again. He probably copied it.

My thoughts exactly.

Color me crazy, but what does how poor/well WinME will run on a machine have to do with things? Also, it's dangerous business to get into speculation about what the person "probably" did. As far as we know, he got it in the mail today, opened up and noticed it wasn't what he thought he was getting.

I'm the person in question, and this is exactly what happened. What I thought I was buying, and should have received, was Windows ME Upgrade. I received the limited time, special promotional "step-up" that microsoft only had out for 6 months. That was over 3 years ago, was out for a limited time, and I had pretty much forgotten it existed. Granted I could have asked to make sure that I wasnt getting a step-up, but I saw no reason to question it. His post said upgrade, why should I assume its anything but upgrade? Besides, it doesnt even say upgrade ANYWHERE on the box I received!

Its not an issue about anything but whether or not I'm getting what I paid for. How well winME runs on a system or what operating systems it runs on have absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm from the camp that believes that if a seller misrepresents or screws up in any way during the deal, its THEIR responsibility to make it right, not the buyers. I dont see why I should have to pay to ship it back to him, when I wasn't the one in error. Its 4 dollars, but its also the pain in the ass of packing and waiting on the damn post office line for another hour.

And its just the entire principle of the matter. If you order a cheeseburger, and they bring you out a hamburger would you just eat it anyway and not say a thing? Of course not. And then when the waiter told you you'd have to pay a recooking fee because of they messed up your order, how would you feel?

I dont feel that any of this was done with any sort of intent, its just a misunderstanding. But that still doesnt mean that the seller shouldnt take responsibility for it.

This is certainly a sticky situation, and I don't think there is a definate right or wrong. But I do believe that while the buyer should know what they are buying, if it had been listed right in the first place, this would not have happened. Therefore, the seller should eat the cost of shipping.
When you list WindowsME as an "upgrade" what I would take away from that is you can use this to upgrade a previous version of windows to ME. (any research done about ME tells me that I can't upgrade from 3.1 or earlier, obviously). This was not what it was, though. Although the seller made a mistake, they are still liable. But because it was a mistake, it should be taken lightly and shouldn't turn into negative evals for both parties.

Anyone can search the intarweb for the UPC code on the box and provide a link to the product. This would have elimated the problem before it started.

PS, the title of this thread is misleading. It's like it's saying someone is trying to make you pay twice the shipping charges as a refund.

I disagree, misunderstandings and miscommunications HAPPEN in trades. the way you make them go smoothly is to realize that both parties are going to take a hit. the buyer should assume SOME responsibility and assuming responsibility for the shipping does NOT seam unreasonable.

ultimately it's what the two negotiate and i disagree with the buyers stand that the seller should pay his shipping back.

i just think an outright demand is a little excessive.
its obviously a misunderstanding.
btw BD2003
FS/FT isnt Mc-Donalds

 

[slycat]

just pay the $2 for return s/h.
Yes it SHOULD cost only $2 for a cd.

 

[Vic]

Why are you even thinking of refunding it to him? ALL SOFTWARE SALES ARE FINAL

He's probably already made 3 copies of it.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ness1469

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: L vis

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
... WinME is not going to run worth a crap on a machine that runs WinXP at lightning speed, much less a machine that runs Win95. Eat it, never trade with him again. He probably copied it.

My thoughts exactly.

Color me crazy, but what does how poor/well WinME will run on a machine have to do with things? Also, it's dangerous business to get into speculation about what the person "probably" did. As far as we know, he got it in the mail today, opened up and noticed it wasn't what he thought he was getting.

I'm the person in question, and this is exactly what happened. What I thought I was buying, and should have received, was Windows ME Upgrade. I received the limited time, special promotional "step-up" that microsoft only had out for 6 months. That was over 3 years ago, was out for a limited time, and I had pretty much forgotten it existed. Granted I could have asked to make sure that I wasnt getting a step-up, but I saw no reason to question it. His post said upgrade, why should I assume its anything but upgrade? Besides, it doesnt even say upgrade ANYWHERE on the box I received!

Its not an issue about anything but whether or not I'm getting what I paid for. How well winME runs on a system or what operating systems it runs on have absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm from the camp that believes that if a seller misrepresents or screws up in any way during the deal, its THEIR responsibility to make it right, not the buyers. I dont see why I should have to pay to ship it back to him, when I wasn't the one in error. Its 4 dollars, but its also the pain in the ass of packing and waiting on the damn post office line for another hour.

And its just the entire principle of the matter. If you order a cheeseburger, and they bring you out a hamburger would you just eat it anyway and not say a thing? Of course not. And then when the waiter told you you'd have to pay a recooking fee because of they messed up your order, how would you feel?

I dont feel that any of this was done with any sort of intent, its just a misunderstanding. But that still doesnt mean that the seller shouldnt take responsibility for it.

This is certainly a sticky situation, and I don't think there is a definate right or wrong. But I do believe that while the buyer should know what they are buying, if it had been listed right in the first place, this would not have happened. Therefore, the seller should eat the cost of shipping.
When you list WindowsME as an "upgrade" what I would take away from that is you can use this to upgrade a previous version of windows to ME. (any research done about ME tells me that I can't upgrade from 3.1 or earlier, obviously). This was not what it was, though. Although the seller made a mistake, they are still liable. But because it was a mistake, it should be taken lightly and shouldn't turn into negative evals for both parties.

Anyone can search the intarweb for the UPC code on the box and provide a link to the product. This would have elimated the problem before it started.

PS, the title of this thread is misleading. It's like it's saying someone is trying to make you pay twice the shipping charges as a refund.

I disagree, misunderstandings and miscommunications HAPPEN in trades. the way you make them go smoothly is to realize that both parties are going to take a hit. the buyer should assume SOME responsibility and assuming responsibility for the shipping does NOT seam unreasonable.

ultimately it's what the two negotiate and i disagree with the buyers stand that the seller should pay his shipping back.

What I fail to see is how this was a misunderstanding on my part. I paid for an upgrade, and received a promotional step-up, which says upgrade absolutely nowhere on the box. What did I misunderstand? The only misunderstanding that occured here was the seller accidentally misrepresenting the software. I dont see why I should be liable in any way for that.

BTW, this is a full retail box, so if I ship media mail, Ill still have to buy a huge padded envelope or box for at least $2 before postage. If I send it priority, I get to use the free box, so it comes to about the same. Theres still the half mile walk and at least half hour wait at the post office that I otherwise wouldnt have to go through, which is worth far more than $4 to me. This isnt mcdonalds, but the principle is the same. So lets try a different analogy. If you paid for PC133 ram, but got PC100 ram, would you pay to ship it back?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Vic
Why are you even thinking of refunding it to him? ALL SOFTWARE SALES ARE FINAL

He's probably already made 3 copies of it.

i'm not sure i totally agree, BUT the seller has agreed to refund the buyer and the buyer is being a prick by insisting the seller also pay the shipping back. that's annoying at best.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ness1469

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: L vis

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
... WinME is not going to run worth a crap on a machine that runs WinXP at lightning speed, much less a machine that runs Win95. Eat it, never trade with him again. He probably copied it.

My thoughts exactly.

Color me crazy, but what does how poor/well WinME will run on a machine have to do with things? Also, it's dangerous business to get into speculation about what the person "probably" did. As far as we know, he got it in the mail today, opened up and noticed it wasn't what he thought he was getting.

I'm the person in question, and this is exactly what happened. What I thought I was buying, and should have received, was Windows ME Upgrade. I received the limited time, special promotional "step-up" that microsoft only had out for 6 months. That was over 3 years ago, was out for a limited time, and I had pretty much forgotten it existed. Granted I could have asked to make sure that I wasnt getting a step-up, but I saw no reason to question it. His post said upgrade, why should I assume its anything but upgrade? Besides, it doesnt even say upgrade ANYWHERE on the box I received!

Its not an issue about anything but whether or not I'm getting what I paid for. How well winME runs on a system or what operating systems it runs on have absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm from the camp that believes that if a seller misrepresents or screws up in any way during the deal, its THEIR responsibility to make it right, not the buyers. I dont see why I should have to pay to ship it back to him, when I wasn't the one in error. Its 4 dollars, but its also the pain in the ass of packing and waiting on the damn post office line for another hour.

And its just the entire principle of the matter. If you order a cheeseburger, and they bring you out a hamburger would you just eat it anyway and not say a thing? Of course not. And then when the waiter told you you'd have to pay a recooking fee because of they messed up your order, how would you feel?

I dont feel that any of this was done with any sort of intent, its just a misunderstanding. But that still doesnt mean that the seller shouldnt take responsibility for it.

This is certainly a sticky situation, and I don't think there is a definate right or wrong. But I do believe that while the buyer should know what they are buying, if it had been listed right in the first place, this would not have happened. Therefore, the seller should eat the cost of shipping.
When you list WindowsME as an "upgrade" what I would take away from that is you can use this to upgrade a previous version of windows to ME. (any research done about ME tells me that I can't upgrade from 3.1 or earlier, obviously). This was not what it was, though. Although the seller made a mistake, they are still liable. But because it was a mistake, it should be taken lightly and shouldn't turn into negative evals for both parties.

Anyone can search the intarweb for the UPC code on the box and provide a link to the product. This would have elimated the problem before it started.

PS, the title of this thread is misleading. It's like it's saying someone is trying to make you pay twice the shipping charges as a refund.

I disagree, misunderstandings and miscommunications HAPPEN in trades. the way you make them go smoothly is to realize that both parties are going to take a hit. the buyer should assume SOME responsibility and assuming responsibility for the shipping does NOT seam unreasonable.

ultimately it's what the two negotiate and i disagree with the buyers stand that the seller should pay his shipping back.

What I fail to see is how this was a misunderstanding on my part. I paid for an upgrade, and received a promotional step-up, which says upgrade absolutely nowhere on the box. What did I misunderstand? The only misunderstanding that occured here was the seller accidentally misrepresenting the software. I dont see why I should be liable in any way for that.

BTW, this is a full retail box, so if I ship media mail, Ill still have to buy a huge padded envelope or box for at least $2 before postage. If I send it priority, I get to use the free box, so it comes to about the same. Theres still the half mile walk and at least half hour wait at the post office that I otherwise wouldnt have to go through, which is worth far more than $4 to me. This isnt mcdonalds, but the principle is the same.

if you continue like this, if i were the seller, i would just refuse to give you ANY kind of refund and take the bad heat. he could probably dispute the bad heat and get it removed.

it's uncompromising morons like you that give FS/FT a bad name. IT'S TWO FVCKING DOLLARS.

 

[BD2003]

No, its people unwilling to take responsibility for their mistakes that give FS/T a bad name. This wouldnt have happened a few years ago, and if I made the same mistake, this wouldnt have been an issue. Ive screwed up on trades before and made good on it without having to argue over it.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BD2003
No, its people unwilling to take responsibility for their mistakes that give FS/T a bad name. This wouldnt have happened a few years ago, and if I made the same mistake, this wouldnt have been an issue. Ive screwed up on trades before and made good on it without having to argue over it.

so what responsibility are you taking?? it's never COMPLETELY one sided.

did you do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING possible before you decided to make the purchase?

as i said, if you kept up like this and i was the seller, i would refuse you the refund on principle alone.

 

[BD2003]

What was there left to do? I read his description, said "Windows ME Upgrade", asked to buy it, he said, yes, sent paypal, and I got the promotional step-up. There was no ambiguity whatsoever in the post.

What questions were left to ask?

 

[rgwalt]

I would refund the shipping cost both ways just to keep the buyer happy. Why fight over $5? Just make sure that you get a positive heat out of the deal, or simply don't exchange heat at all.

Ryan

 

[TranceNation]

this is a no brainer. Seller should pay for shipping it back.

 

[pkypkypky]

I didn't even want to pour any gasoline on this fire that has been started, so I'll repeat what I've been saying all along.

I don't feel it's a 100% clear cut issue. Go on ebay and search for Millenium Upgrade on current and past auctions. You will see that some upgrades are the win98 promo type, some are full win95 ones. In the descriptions, most of them specify. It's not the greatest example, but this software is an upgrade and I did not to misrepresent it. I drive an acura. Not only an acura, but an acura integra. And the trim level (or whatever they call it) is LS. And it's black and, etc, etc. Maybe these aren't the best examples, but it's something.

I listed a whole bunch of things recently and put model numbers all over the place, but thought this was a simple listing. I won't fault you 100% because had I known and been more thorough, I would have specified. But then again I think buyers should have some responsibility in researching and asking, especially if they're looking for something on the specific side.

I PMed the mod and he gave similiar suggestions for resolution. I've been trying to compromise all along and give you choices. Partial refund to reflect what you said is a significant $ difference. Initially I even said I would refund fully of what you paid. But you've rejected that and everything, demanded shipping back and a lot of members here pointed out that I'm liable for any copies that you may or may not have made (no accusations are being made).

Everyone has an opinion and it's been stated, and what I saw at first and now is that it's just not 100%.

It's not about leaving me heatware or trusting you because of your reputation or anything else. If you want to leave me bad heatware cause I wouldn't pay shipping back, then I can't stop you. And I wouldn't bet any of my money that you wouldn't copy the software based solely on your reputation. Like I said, if you want to keep pushing like I'm the manager of a store with this promo term that you're stuck on, then it's going to get us nowhere in the end and I'm just going to not deal with it anymore. We've really been at a standstill going over the same argument for a few days and too many posts & PMs now.

Please come up with a compromise and we'll get this off our backs.

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: pkypkypky
I didn't even want to pour any gasoline on this fire that has been started, so I'll repeat what I've been saying all along.

I don't feel it's a 100% clear cut issue. Go on ebay and search for Millenium Upgrade on current and past auctions. You will see that some upgrades are the win98 promo type, some are full win95 ones. In the descriptions, most of them specify. It's not the greatest example, but this software is an upgrade and I did not to misrepresent it. I drive an acura. Not only an acura, but an acura integra. And the trim level (or whatever they call it) is LS. And it's black and, etc, etc. Maybe these aren't the best examples, but it's something.

I listed a whole bunch of things recently and put model numbers all over the place, but thought this was a simple listing. I won't fault you 100% because had I known and been more thorough, I would have specified. But then again I think buyers should have some responsibility in researching and asking, especially if they're looking for something on the specific side.

I PMed the mod and he gave similiar suggestions for resolution. I've been trying to compromise all along and give you choices. Partial refund to reflect what you said is a significant $ difference. Initially I even said I would refund fully of what you paid. But you've rejected that and everything, demanded shipping back and a lot of members here pointed out that I'm liable for any copies that you may or may not have made (no accusations are being made).

Everyone has an opinion and it's been stated, and what I saw at first and now is that it's just not 100%.

It's not about leaving me heatware or trusting you because of your reputation or anything else. If you want to leave me bad heatware cause I wouldn't pay shipping back, then I can't stop you. And I wouldn't bet any of my money that you wouldn't copy the software based solely on your reputation. Like I said, if you want to keep pushing like I'm the manager of a store with this promo term that you're stuck on, then it's going to get us nowhere in the end and I'm just going to not deal with it anymore. We've really been at a standstill going over the same argument for a few days and too many posts & PMs now.

Please come up with a compromise and we'll get this off our backs.

just do the refund and avoid the
"i bought a bargain bin product now rub my ass till i say ooo buyers in the future."

the thing is,were he to try to take it to a store for a refund,opened...most stores would laugh him out of the building.

 

[TranceNation]

this is a clear cut issue. You sold a product that wasn't what it was typed up to be. It doesn't matter if you didn't know what you were selling. You misled the buyer, whether intentional or not, even your thread title is mis leading.

 

[pkypkypky]

And its just the entire principle of the matter. If you order a cheeseburger, and they bring you out a hamburger would you just eat it anyway and not say a thing? Of course not. And then when the waiter told you you'd have to pay a recooking fee because of they messed up your order, how would you feel?

That reminds of a time in upstate NY that I ordered a chicken cutlet sandwich which looked good at this self-proclaimed "New York Deli". They gave me a grilled chicken cutlet instead and I went back I told them they gave me the wrong chicken. Turns out I was supposed to say "Fried chicken cutlet". They said "chicken cutlet" refers to the grilled kind. It was funny to me because down in NYC it's usually the other way around or they ask occasionally which one. Well they looked at me like I was crazy, but the sandwich turned out to be good.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: pkypkypky
I didn't even want to pour any gasoline on this fire that has been started, so I'll repeat what I've been saying all along.

I don't feel it's a 100% clear cut issue. Go on ebay and search for Millenium Upgrade on current and past auctions. You will see that some upgrades are the win98 promo type, some are full win95 ones. In the descriptions, most of them specify. It's not the greatest example, but this software is an upgrade and I did not to misrepresent it. I drive an acura. Not only an acura, but an acura integra. And the trim level (or whatever they call it) is LS. And it's black and, etc, etc. Maybe these aren't the best examples, but it's something.

I listed a whole bunch of things recently and put model numbers all over the place, but thought this was a simple listing. I won't fault you 100% because had I known and been more thorough, I would have specified. But then again I think buyers should have some responsibility in researching and asking, especially if they're looking for something on the specific side.

I PMed the mod and he gave similiar suggestions for resolution. I've been trying to compromise all along and give you choices. Partial refund to reflect what you said is a significant $ difference. Initially I even said I would refund fully of what you paid. But you've rejected that and everything, demanded shipping back and a lot of members here pointed out that I'm liable for any copies that you may or may not have made (no accusations are being made).

Everyone has an opinion and it's been stated, and what I saw at first and now is that it's just not 100%.

It's not about leaving me heatware or trusting you because of your reputation or anything else. If you want to leave me bad heatware cause I wouldn't pay shipping back, then I can't stop you. And I wouldn't bet any of my money that you wouldn't copy the software based solely on your reputation. Like I said, if you want to keep pushing like I'm the manager of a store with this promo term that you're stuck on, then it's going to get us nowhere in the end and I'm just going to not deal with it anymore. We've really been at a standstill going over the same argument for a few days and too many posts & PMs now.

Please come up with a compromise and we'll get this off our backs.

The buyer should not HAVE to ask, it should have been specified (accurately).

How much could a WinME upgrade (or promotional step-up or whatever the hell it is) possibly be worth?

Eat the cost, lesson learned.

Part of life is dealing with your own fvck ups.

Congratulations, this is one of them.

Viper GTS

 

[pkypkypky]

even your thread title is mis leading.

I forgot I didn't change the title after I shipped. You're referring to the "WinME" part???

Am I supposed to put "FS: HDDs, RAM, Windows Millenium Promotional Step-Up for Win98 Upgrade, + freebies" to be less misleading? Obviously I can't put "WinME upgrade", but that's a no-no already

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: L vis

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
... WinME is not going to run worth a crap on a machine that runs WinXP at lightning speed, much less a machine that runs Win95. Eat it, never trade with him again. He probably copied it.

My thoughts exactly.

Color me crazy, but what does how poor/well WinME will run on a machine have to do with things? Also, it's dangerous business to get into speculation about what the person "probably" did. As far as we know, he got it in the mail today, opened up and noticed it wasn't what he thought he was getting.

I'm the person in question, and this is exactly what happened. What I thought I was buying, and should have received, was Windows ME Upgrade. I received the limited time, special promotional "step-up" that microsoft only had out for 6 months. That was over 3 years ago, was out for a limited time, and I had pretty much forgotten it existed. Granted I could have asked to make sure that I wasnt getting a step-up, but I saw no reason to question it. His post said upgrade, why should I assume its anything but upgrade? Besides, it doesnt even say upgrade ANYWHERE on the box I received!

Its not an issue about anything but whether or not I'm getting what I paid for. How well winME runs on a system or what operating systems it runs on have absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm from the camp that believes that if a seller misrepresents or screws up in any way during the deal, its THEIR responsibility to make it right, not the buyers. I dont see why I should have to pay to ship it back to him, when I wasn't the one in error. Its 4 dollars, but its also the pain in the ass of packing and waiting on the damn post office line for another hour.

And its just the entire principle of the matter. If you order a cheeseburger, and they bring you out a hamburger would you just eat it anyway and not say a thing? Of course not. And then when the waiter told you you'd have to pay a recooking fee because of they messed up your order, how would you feel?

I dont feel that any of this was done with any sort of intent, its just a misunderstanding. But that still doesnt mean that the seller shouldnt take responsibility for it.

your cheeseburger analogy is SOOO very faulty.

let's make it more real. because pkypkypky is NOT CHARGING YOU ANYTHING. he's NOT charging you a RECOOKING FEE.


Let's say you go thru drive thru, they give you a cheeseburger instead of a hamburger, by the time you realize it you are 30 miles down the road, so you call them on your cell phone and you say, I WANT a REFUND on this damn thing PLUS i want you to pay my mileage BACK.

now THERE is a more accurate analogy.

and guess what NO FAST FOOD PLACE ANYWHERE WOULD pay your mileage back.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: L vis

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
... WinME is not going to run worth a crap on a machine that runs WinXP at lightning speed, much less a machine that runs Win95. Eat it, never trade with him again. He probably copied it.

My thoughts exactly.

Color me crazy, but what does how poor/well WinME will run on a machine have to do with things? Also, it's dangerous business to get into speculation about what the person "probably" did. As far as we know, he got it in the mail today, opened up and noticed it wasn't what he thought he was getting.

I'm the person in question, and this is exactly what happened. What I thought I was buying, and should have received, was Windows ME Upgrade. I received the limited time, special promotional "step-up" that microsoft only had out for 6 months. That was over 3 years ago, was out for a limited time, and I had pretty much forgotten it existed. Granted I could have asked to make sure that I wasnt getting a step-up, but I saw no reason to question it. His post said upgrade, why should I assume its anything but upgrade? Besides, it doesnt even say upgrade ANYWHERE on the box I received!

Its not an issue about anything but whether or not I'm getting what I paid for. How well winME runs on a system or what operating systems it runs on have absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm from the camp that believes that if a seller misrepresents or screws up in any way during the deal, its THEIR responsibility to make it right, not the buyers. I dont see why I should have to pay to ship it back to him, when I wasn't the one in error. Its 4 dollars, but its also the pain in the ass of packing and waiting on the damn post office line for another hour.

And its just the entire principle of the matter. If you order a cheeseburger, and they bring you out a hamburger would you just eat it anyway and not say a thing? Of course not. And then when the waiter told you you'd have to pay a recooking fee because of they messed up your order, how would you feel?

I dont feel that any of this was done with any sort of intent, its just a misunderstanding. But that still doesnt mean that the seller shouldnt take responsibility for it.

your cheeseburger analogy is SOOO very faulty.

let's make it more real. because pkypkypky is NOT CHARGING YOU ANYTHING. he's NOT charging you a RECOOKING FEE.


Let's say you go thru drive thru, they give you a cheeseburger instead of a hamburger, by the time you realize it you are 30 miles down the road, so you call them on your cell phone and you say, I WANT a REFUND on this damn thing PLUS i want you to pay my mileage BACK.

now THERE is a more accurate analogy.

and guess what NO FAST FOOD PLACE ANYWHERE WOULD pay your mileage back.

I didnt realize it 30 miles down the road. I realized it the second I opened the box and pmed accordingly. If DC has a timestamp on it, he could check the time and match it to the pm if he desires. There isnt a fast food place in the world that wouldnt make you the cheeseburger you ordered on the spot.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: L vis

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
... WinME is not going to run worth a crap on a machine that runs WinXP at lightning speed, much less a machine that runs Win95. Eat it, never trade with him again. He probably copied it.

My thoughts exactly.

Color me crazy, but what does how poor/well WinME will run on a machine have to do with things? Also, it's dangerous business to get into speculation about what the person "probably" did. As far as we know, he got it in the mail today, opened up and noticed it wasn't what he thought he was getting.

I'm the person in question, and this is exactly what happened. What I thought I was buying, and should have received, was Windows ME Upgrade. I received the limited time, special promotional "step-up" that microsoft only had out for 6 months. That was over 3 years ago, was out for a limited time, and I had pretty much forgotten it existed. Granted I could have asked to make sure that I wasnt getting a step-up, but I saw no reason to question it. His post said upgrade, why should I assume its anything but upgrade? Besides, it doesnt even say upgrade ANYWHERE on the box I received!

Its not an issue about anything but whether or not I'm getting what I paid for. How well winME runs on a system or what operating systems it runs on have absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm from the camp that believes that if a seller misrepresents or screws up in any way during the deal, its THEIR responsibility to make it right, not the buyers. I dont see why I should have to pay to ship it back to him, when I wasn't the one in error. Its 4 dollars, but its also the pain in the ass of packing and waiting on the damn post office line for another hour.

And its just the entire principle of the matter. If you order a cheeseburger, and they bring you out a hamburger would you just eat it anyway and not say a thing? Of course not. And then when the waiter told you you'd have to pay a recooking fee because of they messed up your order, how would you feel?

I dont feel that any of this was done with any sort of intent, its just a misunderstanding. But that still doesnt mean that the seller shouldnt take responsibility for it.

your cheeseburger analogy is SOOO very faulty.

let's make it more real. because pkypkypky is NOT CHARGING YOU ANYTHING. he's NOT charging you a RECOOKING FEE.


Let's say you go thru drive thru, they give you a cheeseburger instead of a hamburger, by the time you realize it you are 30 miles down the road, so you call them on your cell phone and you say, I WANT a REFUND on this damn thing PLUS i want you to pay my mileage BACK.

now THERE is a more accurate analogy.

and guess what NO FAST FOOD PLACE ANYWHERE WOULD pay your mileage back.

I didnt realize it 30 miles down the road. I realized it the second I opened the box and pmed accordingly. If DC has a timestamp on it, he could check the time and match it to the pm if he desires.

OMFG you are slow, who cares if it wasn't 30 miles down the road, the point is, the resturaunt ant pkypkypky is seeing NO profit from money you are paying for shipping or travel.

MOST intelligent individuals realize this.

 

[Vic]

My solution would be simple, but maybe then that's because I've been a good sport about trades gone somewhat bad in the past and smiled and taken a loss.
BD2003's head is firmly up his rectum. He needs his $2. Fine. pkypkypky, refund him the money, including all shipping charges, and then leave him neutral heat (or no heat at all, like he needs any) for not acting in the spirit of compromise. And next time, remember to put an "All software sales final" disclaimer on your software sales.

BD2003, I'll have to check when I get home, but I believe that I have an original WinME upgrade disc (that I have never used and has been sitting in a box for 3 or so years), and I'm pretty sure it's not any "promotional" version. You want it, just let me know, and you can have it for just the cost of shipping.
My God... this is petty. What was the sales price? $0.50?

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: Vic
My solution would be simple, but maybe then that's because I've been a good sport about trades gone somewhat bad in the past and smiled and taken a loss.
BD2003's head is firmly up his rectum. He needs his $2. Fine. pkypkypky, refund him the money, including all shipping charges, and then leave him neutral heat (or no heat at all, like he needs any) for not acting in the spirit of compromise. And next time, remember to put an "All software sales final" disclaimer on your software sales.

BD2003, I'll have to check when I get home, but I believe that I have an original WinME upgrade disc (that I have never used and has been sitting in a box for 3 or so years), and I'm pretty sure it's not any "promotional" version. You want it, just let me know, and you can have it for just the cost of shipping.
My God... this is petty. What was the sales price? $0.50?

lol

 

[BD2003]

You must be slow, because you are missing the ENTIRE POINT. Because of *his* mistake, I have to pay 4 dollars and take the time out. It makes no difference to me whether or not he profits from it or not. Why should it?

All I know is that in the end, I'd be out at least 4 bucks and have absolutely nothing to show for it, and it wasnt even my mistake. How is that fair?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BD2003
You must be slow, because you are missing the ENTIRE POINT. Because of *his* mistake, I have to pay 4 dollars and take the time out. It makes no difference to me whether or not he profits from it or not. Why should it?

All I know is that in the end, I'd be out at least 4 bucks and have absolutely nothing to show for it, and it wasnt even my mistake. How is that fair?

LOL

and you think life is fair.

btw, you missed the analogy of the cheeseburger and it was YOUR DAMNED analogy.

gave up on it because you couldn't handle the logic? figures.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: BD2003
You must be slow, because you are missing the ENTIRE POINT. Because of *his* mistake, I have to pay 4 dollars and take the time out. It makes no difference to me whether or not he profits from it or not. Why should it?

All I know is that in the end, I'd be out at least 4 bucks and have absolutely nothing to show for it, and it wasnt even my mistake. How is that fair?

If the $4 is really that ungodly important to you I'll PayPal it to you just to shut you both up.

You are right, but is $4 really worth the battle you're in?

It's not like you're shipping a 500 lb piece of equipment. I shipped CD's FOR FREE to ~40 OT members, I know for a fact it costs less than two 1st class stamps to send a CD in a cardboard sleeve.

Viper GTS