11 States now have more on Welfare than working

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Jhhnn

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Government grew during the Bush administration. Government spending almost doubled.

Have you forgotten about 2 wars of adventure & the consumption of an enormous amount of right wing comfort food pork, military & so called "security" spending?

That's not the point, anyway. The point is that freeing the financial sector of the bonds of meaningful regulation created financial catastrophe, that freer markets aren't necessarily better markets, at all.

We learned that circa 1931, but became convinced that the lessons of history no longer applied. Obviously, we were mistaken.

Govt failed to do its job, to put a fence around the wolves of Wall St, to inhibit the self destructive tendencies of financialized capitalism. And now, of course, the Right Wing doesn't want to let this crisis go to waste, so what they suggest, demand, is that govt fail to do their job again, allow the economy to enter into a debt deflation spiral.

If we want less welfare, then we need more jobs, and the private sector is disinclined to create them atm. That's just the obvious truth. Therefore, it's up to govt to do so, regardless of the maudlin hand wringing & pearl clutching on the part of Repubs shilling for the wealthy. If we don't want to borrow to accomplish that, we need to raise taxes to do so, starting with those most able to pay.
 

Zorkorist

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Have you forgotten about 2 wars of adventure & the consumption of an enormous amount of right wing comfort food pork, military & so called "security" spending?

That's not the point, anyway. The point is that freeing the financial sector of the bonds of meaningful regulation created financial catastrophe, that freer markets aren't necessarily better markets, at all.

We learned that circa 1931, but became convinced that the lessons of history no longer applied. Obviously, we were mistaken.

Govt failed to do its job, to put a fence around the wolves of Wall St, to inhibit the self destructive tendencies of financialized capitalism. And now, of course, the Right Wing doesn't want to let this crisis go to waste, so what they suggest, demand, is that govt fail to do their job again, allow the economy to enter into a debt deflation spiral.

If we want less welfare, then we need more jobs, and the private sector is disinclined to create them atm. That's just the obvious truth. Therefore, it's up to govt to do so, regardless of the maudlin hand wringing & pearl clutching on the part of Repubs shilling for the wealthy. If we don't want to borrow to accomplish that, we need to raise taxes to do so, starting with those most able to pay.
If we want more jobs, it's Government that has destroyed jobs.

Minimum wage.

Government, seeking to do the right thing, kills the normal relationship between the employed, and the unemplyed. Government throws up things like minimum wage, and mandatory health care.

That's all fine and dandy, to a Government i love you like jhnnn, but all it leads to in rwal life is more debt, more unemployment, greater borrowing, and hippies.

-John
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Wow Zork, that minimum wage nonsense has been pretty well debunked.

Thanks for trotting out your pet theories though.
 

Zorkorist

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What theory?

The title of this thread is "11 States now have more on Welfare than working."

I Think it's pretty much fact that Government has fucked up lots of people's lives.

-John
 

badb0y

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What theory?

The title of this thread is "11 States now have more on Welfare than working."

I Think it's pretty much fact that Government has fucked up lots of people's lives.

-John

People fucked up their own lives. Don't blame the government for your own shortcomings.
 

lparault

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a good chunk of those are big dem states.

You should be happy about this. Its exactly what the left wants, everyone completely dependent on government.

Alabama has 2 Republican US senators, 6 out of 7 Republican US representatives, 64 out of 105 Republican state representatives, 22 out of 35 Republican state senators, and a Republican governor.

Mississippi has a Republican governor, 2 Republican US Senators, 3 out of 4 US congressmen, 31 out of 52 Republican state senators, 64 out of 122 Republican state representatives.

Kentucky has 5 of 6 Republican US representatives, 2 Republican US senators, 23 of 38 Republican state senators, a governor and 55 out of 100 state representatives who are Democrats.

South Carolina has 76 of 124 Republican state representatives, 29 of 46 Republican state senators, a Republican governor, 2 Republican US senators, and 6 of 7 Republican US congressmen.

So, what part of these state and US legislators supports your statement? Nice try.
 

Zebo

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just gonna get worse. Outsourcing to cheapest slave labor at drop of a hat, un partolled peasant immigration for those jobs that could not be outsourced ...busting unions, pensions and all else middle class wherewithal has been master plan since RR. Prepare to look a lot more like mexico in near future where a small cabel of elite control everything - 5% protects them and 95% live in poverty and despair. Obama wont help u hes part of it

oh and dont forget u owe rich bond holders 14 trillion who were generous enough to sustain u for benefits u got after displacing u. get to work bitches if you can find it.
 
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nehalem256

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Alabama has 2 Republican US senators, 6 out of 7 Republican US representatives, 64 out of 105 Republican state representatives, 22 out of 35 Republican state senators, and a Republican governor.

Mississippi has a Republican governor, 2 Republican US Senators, 3 out of 4 US congressmen, 31 out of 52 Republican state senators, 64 out of 122 Republican state representatives.

Kentucky has 5 of 6 Republican US representatives, 2 Republican US senators, 23 of 38 Republican state senators, a governor and 55 out of 100 state representatives who are Democrats.

South Carolina has 76 of 124 Republican state representatives, 29 of 46 Republican state senators, a Republican governor, 2 Republican US senators, and 6 of 7 Republican US congressmen.

So, what part of these state and US legislators supports your statement? Nice try.

California, New York, Illinois, Ohio, Maine, Kentucky, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, New Mexico and Hawaii

7/11 of the states are blue. Not to mention that the population of California, New York, and Illinois is much higher than the population of the 4 red states mentioned.