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[werepossum]

The influence is the 100 Billion of assets and business that will be heading Iran's way over the next few months provided the nuclear treaty holds up. To act like it was kindness, Obama or fear of Trump is silly. Money talks bullshit walks.

This, exactly. I'm not a huge fan of the nuclear treaty, but things like this are where it pays dividends. Before, the only benefit Iran could get from something like this would be to hold them indefinitely for propaganda value, domestically and within the larger Islamic world. Now it's in Iran's best interests to act like a civilized nation.

EDIT: I do agree that fundamentally, nothing has changed in Iranian politics. However, a nation that long term acts like a civilized nation is pretty indistinguishable from a civilized nation.

 

[Jhhnn]

Today Iran meddles with the governments of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Palestine.

And we don't? Really?

It's not like "American exceptionalism" gives us an exclusive in that regard.

The emphasis in our relationship with Iran is changing. Instead of getting all puffed up & aggressive about our disagreements we're expanding on the opportunities to reduce tensions & work together when it's to mutual advantage. It's no love affair but rather a matter of establishing mutual respect much like detente with the Soviets. That had to begin with us granting that their govt is legitimate. It's obviously not going away & the citizenry will clearly defend it against external threats. The nuclear agreement shows the world we acknowledge that.

It's also hugely about domestic politics on both sides, about moving discussion from the realm of the emotional to one more rational. Hell, that's evident in the way the tone of your posts has changed as this thread has progressed.

Instead of our attentions being directed outward towards our "enemies" we can direct them inward to address our own problems. When I say "our" I mean both America & Iran.

There are clearly forces in both countries who would prefer that not happen, who need high levels of international tension as part of their pitch to the voters.

It clearly works in this country. How else could we have been suckered into 35 years of trickle down economics w/o the evil empire, evil Saddam & evil mullahs?

Seems like we might have been distracted into taking our eye off the ball, huh?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Yeah, that only proves my point.

You made no point. You said, and I quote:

"Your fear may be well placed but your solution is foolish and a self fulfilling prophecy."

It's not my fear or my solution you were addressing, which I why I dressed you down in the process. Got it yet or do I really need to simplify it even further for you?

Sheesh! Morons.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

And we don't? Really?

It's not like "American exceptionalism" gives us an exclusive in that regard.

Please quote me where I said the US didn't meddle in the affairs of others.

That's right. You can't. Because I didn't say that.

The emphasis in our relationship with Iran is changing. Instead of getting all puffed up & aggressive about our disagreements we're expanding on the opportunities to reduce tensions & work together when it's to mutual advantage. It's no love affair but rather a matter of establishing mutual respect much like detente with the Soviets. That had to begin with us granting that their govt is legitimate. It's obviously not going away & the citizenry will clearly defend it against external threats. The nuclear agreement shows the world we acknowledge that.

The fuck is wrong with you? I'm not advocating aggression. Nowhere in this thread did I advocate such a thing.

You leftist idiots are so stuffed full of shit and blather about what you THINK anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you believes that you can't actually think at all. Stop imagining what you THINK I am advocating and actually read what I write, for once. You might be surprised, if you can manage to get over your preconceived notions.

 

[nickqt]

You leftist idiots are so stuffed full of shit and blather about what you THINK anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you believes that you can't actually think at all. Stop imagining what you THINK I am advocating and actually read what I write, for once. You might be surprised, if you can manage to get over your preconceived notions.

Nice projection, champ.

 

[Screech]

My favorite reaction to this whole thing so far can be found here:

http://conservativetribune.com/defense-secretary-slips-up/

beware, there is a lot of crazy inside this link

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Nice projection, champ.

Nice lack of rebuttal of any substance, loser.

 

[Jhhnn]

Please quote me where I said the US didn't meddle in the affairs of others.

That's right. You can't. Because I didn't say that.


The fuck is wrong with you? I'm not advocating aggression. Nowhere in this thread did I advocate such a thing.

You leftist idiots are so stuffed full of shit and blather about what you THINK anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you believes that you can't actually think at all. Stop imagining what you THINK I am advocating and actually read what I write, for once. You might be surprised, if you can manage to get over your preconceived notions.

Please. The US going on about Iranian meddling is the pot calling the kettle black. It's not like they invaded anybody in recent memory, either.

In context, "aggressive" does not mean "military aggression". It means the kind of demands, accusations & bullying of the GWB years & the resultant level of tension. It means that the chances of miscalculation & military conflict are greater in such an environment.

Put yourself in their shoes, slapped onto the axis of evil with the Great Satan screaming in their face & his armies on two borders. Of course their hardliners could rally strong nationalistic feelings in the face of that.

 

[nickqt]

Nice lack of rebuttal of any substance, loser.

It was simply a pre-response (your projection) addressing your quoted text above...which is a nice, substantive rebuttal, by the way, hotshot.

Thanks for playing.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

It was simply a pre-response (your projection) addressing your quoted text above...which is a nice, substantive rebuttal, by the way, hotshot.

Thanks for playing.

lol. When you lefty morons don't have a righty to respond to with your canned responses you lose all of your talking points and you flop around like a fish out of water. You've proven that yourself by having absolutely nothing of substance or intelligence to add to this thread. Watching you gasp for oxygen is pathetic. Here...let me throw you back in.

"plop"

Hope you feel better.

 

[nickqt]

lol. When you lefty morons don't have a righty to respond to with your canned responses you lose all of your talking points and you flop around like a fish out of water. You've proven that yourself by having absolutely nothing of substance or intelligence to add to this thread. Watching you gasp for oxygen is pathetic. Here...let me throw you back in.

"plop"

Hope you feel better.

That was a very cogent, well-reasoned substantive rebuttal, hotshot.

Keep on keepin' on, right-wing authoritarian.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

That was a very cogent, well-reasoned substantive rebuttal, hotshot.

Keep on keepin' on, right-wing authoritarian.

A rebuttal requires that you provide something substantive in the first place. You didn't.

Keep on trollin' hard though. I can play that game all day long and will gladly make you look like the idiot you truly are in the process. You simply aren't smart enough to hang with me, homesticker. Keep on trying though.

Looking forward to your next lame attempt.

 

[nickqt]

A rebuttal requires that you provide something substantive in the first place. You didn't.

Keep on trollin' hard though. I can play that game all day long and will gladly make you look like the idiot you truly are in the process. You simply aren't smart enough to hang with me, homesticker. Keep on trying though.

Looking forward to your next lame attempt.

You are just destroying me by saying nothing of substance, hotshot. Keep at it, you're, like, totally going to win and stuff!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You are just destroying me by saying nothing of substance, hotshot. Keep at it, you're, like, totally going to win and stuff!

Congrats for the acknowledgement that my nothing of substance smokes your nothing like a cheap cigar. Now go away until you have anything of real value to add in this thread.

Thanks for playing.

 

[ivwshane]

You made no point. You said, and I quote:

"Your fear may be well placed but your solution is foolish and a self fulfilling prophecy."

It's not my fear or my solution you were addressing, which I why I dressed you down in the process. Got it yet or do I really need to simplify it even further for you?

Sheesh! Morons.

You appear to be having problems following the conversation. Let me help you out before you make a bigger fool of yourself

You said:

However, the current Iranian government are a bunch of venomous snakes and don't deserve to be trusted one bit.

To which I replied:

You don't trust the one administration that has come to the table to stop their nuclear program and is allowing the world to inspect them? What would be their end game?
What has Iran done that we either haven't already done something similar or that we wouldn't do in their position?

You then tried to clarify your answer (it was an irrelevant clarification btw) and then you made this statement:

If every President elected in the US was completely controlled by the same hard-core, right-wing Christian religious nuts over the decades would you trust them? That's a rhetorical question and I already know the answer. Of course you wouldn't. So why the fuck would you trust any major public figure "elected" in Iran? If you do you simply aren't being honest with yourself. Or at the very least you aren't being consistent.

To which I replied:

So your solution is to be a counter hardliner

And then you replied with one of the most bizzare serious posts I've seen in awhile in which you claimed I was making accusations about your character when none were made other than your apparent position to deal with hardliners by being a counter hardliner. You then doubled down on your craziness claiming that the fear you have of not trusting Iran isn't a position you hold despite your initial post that I have quoted for you at the top of this timeline.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

And then you replied with one of the most bizzare serious posts I've seen in awhile in which you claimed I was making accusations about your character when none were made other than your apparent position to deal with hardliners by being a counter hardliner. You then doubled down on your craziness claiming that the fear you have of not trusting Iran isn't a position you hold despite your initial post that I have quoted for you at the top of this timeline.

A "bizzare" post? So bizarre that you couldn't even quote which post that is in order to demonstrate what a "hardliner" I was?

Stop trying to misconstrue my posts. It only serves to make you look stupid. I will be more than happy to quote myself where I said we should deal reasonably with Iran, but at arms length. Apparently you want to avoid that so you can continue on your lefty talking points. Without them you and Jhhnn both appear to be lost in the argument. Apparently it's the only argument you two can make since you don't appear to be have been briefed of any other counter arguments by your handlers.

 

[ivwshane]

A "bizzare" post? So bizarre that you couldn't even quote which post that is in order to demonstrate what a "hardliner" I was?

Stop trying to misconstrue my posts. It only serves to make you look stupid. I will be more than happy to quote myself where I said we should deal reasonably with Iran, but at arms length. Apparently you want to avoid that so you can continue on your lefty talking points. Without them you and Jhhnn both appear to be lost in the argument. Apparently it's the only argument you two can make since you don't appear to be have been briefed of any other counter arguments by your handlers.

Here you go you fucking moron;

You guys are so full of your own talking points in regard to what you believe the right thinks about Iran that you can't even begin to comprehend when someone is saying something different.
I don't need to know what the right thinks and I made no claims as to what they think. However I did use what they actually have done as an example.


First of all, I am not a righty. In fact, I am far from it. There are one or two things I somewhat agree upon with the right. For the rest I am diametrically opposed.
Never claimed you were.

Second of all, I am not speaking of fear. Stop tossing that word around incessantly and trying to claim that anyone who doesn't embrace Iran with open arms is fearmongering. That's a "You're either with us or against us." attitude. It's moronic and rhetorical.

You are indeed speaking of fear, you fear that they cannot be trusted. It may not be fear in the traditional sense but it is in the sense that it's a concern to you. It's a fear, btw, that I think is rational.

What I am talking about is trust. I have no fear of Iran (and when I say Iran I mean their government). I simply don't trust them. We deal with Iran and do so without the rhetoric. But we don't do it with open arms, we do it at arms length. Keep in mind the US is not the one in hot water here, Iran is. The US has nothing to prove, or lose. Iran does.

Yeah, I know what you are talking about and that was precisely what I was addressing.

You completely missed the point I was making and instead of addressing my point you went off on a tangent creating one straw man after another and now you've tripled down on your stupidity.

Do you get it now dumbass or do you want to out buckshot buckshot?!

 

[Jhhnn]

My favorite reaction to this whole thing so far can be found here:

http://conservativetribune.com/defense-secretary-slips-up/

beware, there is a lot of crazy inside this link

Gohmert's constituency has to be a black hole of delusion.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

My favorite reaction to this whole thing so far can be found here:

http://conservativetribune.com/defense-secretary-slips-up/

beware, there is a lot of crazy inside this link

holy shit, that's nearly the apex of extreme right wing batshit crazy. Actually got sick reading some of that tripe.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Here you go you fucking moron;



You completely missed the point I was making and instead of addressing my point you went off on a tangent creating one straw man after another and now you've tripled down on your stupidity.

Do you get it now dumbass or do you want to out buckshot buckshot?!

You started right off with claiming my solution was to be a "counter-hardliner." It was not. Then you go on to rant about "US hardliners." Are you now claiming you weren't talking about the right when referring to that group? Because so many moderates and lefties are hardliners against Iran?

And I have no "fear that they cannot be trusted." Do you even realize how fucking ignorant and moronic that sounds? I'm saying that can't be trusted, period, and need to prove otherwise. There is no fear involved in that stance. Yet, once again you are trying to tell me how and what I think.

Go jerk off someone else, toady. I'm tired of your bullshit.

 

[ivwshane]

You started right off with claiming my solution was to be a "counter-hardliner." It was not. Then you go on to rant about "US hardliners." Are you now claiming you weren't talking about the right when referring to that group? Because so many moderates and lefties are hardliners against Iran?

And I have no "fear that they cannot be trusted." Do you even realize how fucking ignorant and moronic that sounds? I'm saying that can't be trusted, period, and need to prove otherwise. There is no fear involved in that stance. Yet, once again you are trying to tell me how and what I think.

Go jerk off someone else, toady. I'm tired of your bullshit.

Lol! Run away you little bitch!

 

[Jhhnn]

You started right off with claiming my solution was to be a "counter-hardliner." It was not. Then you go on to rant about "US hardliners." Are you now claiming you weren't talking about the right when referring to that group? Because so many moderates and lefties are hardliners against Iran?

And I have no "fear that they cannot be trusted." Do you even realize how fucking ignorant and moronic that sounds? I'm saying that can't be trusted, period, and need to prove otherwise. There is no fear involved in that stance. Yet, once again you are trying to tell me how and what I think.

Go jerk off someone else, toady. I'm tired of your bullshit.

Please. Lack of trust is fear of deception.

Nobody is trusting them wrt the nuclear agreement, anyway. They've agreed to the most rigorous inspection regime ever devised.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Lol! Run away you little bitch!

What a well reasoned response. I suppose you're too busy sucking on Hillary's teat though and desperately trying to defend the latest finding about her emails to actually provide a response. It's understandable. Making excuse after excuse for her behavior must be mentally exhausting, especially for someone like you whose mental faculties are so...limited.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Please. Lack of trust is fear of deception.

Nobody is trusting them wrt the nuclear agreement, anyway. They've agreed to the most rigorous inspection regime ever devised.

Gee, ever wonder why "nobody" is trusting them Jhhnn?

 

[ivwshane]

What a well reasoned response. I suppose you're too busy sucking on Hillary's teat though and desperately trying to defend the latest finding about her emails to actually provide a response. It's understandable. Making excuse after excuse for her behavior must be mentally exhausting, especially for someone like you whose mental faculties are so...limited.

Lol! Yep, me pointing out a lack of evidence in a "scandal" that hasn't produced any evidence for 4 years, is me supporting hillary.

But go on hypocrite, whose previous post included:

Go jerk off someone else, toady. I'm tired of your bullshit.

After explaining to you in detail how your reading comprehension failed you. Do go on hypocrite who complains about people unfairly characterizing his position who then goes on to create a totally unrelated post about a position I don't have.

Your idiocy continues to amaze me!