10 US sailors held by Iran udate:released

[TastesLikeChicken]

Lol! Yep, me pointing out a lack of evidence in a "scandal" that hasn't produced any evidence for 4 years, is me supporting hillary.

But go on hypocrite, whose previous post included:



After explaining to you in detail how your reading comprehension failed you. Do go on hypocrite who complains about people unfairly characterizing his position who then goes on to create a totally unrelated post about a position I don't have.

Your idiocy continues to amaze me!

It's easy to amaze an idiot and moron such as yourself. I barely even have to try.

Thanks for playing again. Come back soon.

 

[ivwshane]

It's easy to amaze an idiot and moron such as yourself. I barely even have to try.

Thanks for playing again. Come back soon.

That must be one of those brilliant replies you are always demanding of others.

Good day hypocrite

 

[ivwshane]

Gee, ever wonder why "nobody" is trusting them Jhhnn?

Because they've invaded several countries and overthrown at least three governments? And have attempted to overthrow even more? Because they are the only country in the world that has backed groups who have committed inhumane acts? Because they sell arms to half the worlds armies? Because they are the only country whose history is littered with oppression, massacre, and racism/bigotry?


Once you get off your high horse, you might just step in some reality.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

That must be one of those brilliant replies you are always demanding of others.

Good day hypocrite

You don't require a brilliant reply. Such a thing would be wasted on someone like yourself and I wouldn't waste such a thing on someone like you.

I gave you the reply you the blasé reply you deserved, nothing more.

G'day, mate.

 

[ivwshane]

You don't require a brilliant reply. Such a thing would be wasted on someone like yourself and I wouldn't waste such a thing on someone like you.

I gave you the reply you the blasé reply you deserved, nothing more.

G'day, mate.

That's what I thought. Hypocrite says what...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

That's what I thought. Hypocrite says what...

And you did say what. Thanks for admitting that you are a hypocrite.

We are done. G'nite.

 

[ivwshane]

And you did say what. Thanks for admitting that you are a hypocrite.

We are done. G'nite.

You mad bro? You sound mad.

 

[Jhhnn]

Gee, ever wonder why "nobody" is trusting them Jhhnn?

It's not about trust at this point. It's about establishing a framework of mutual respect. This episode is a good example. Our boats were clearly in their waters. Iran had every right to act as they did. We acknowledged that as a matter of respect. They accepted our honest apology as a matter of respect, as well, returned the boats & sailors forthwith.

If they wanted to exploit the Great Satan boogeyman for domestic purposes they could have done so easily. Our sailors could have been labeled as spies & saboteurs, tossed into some lovely prison to rot but that's not what happened.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Meh. There isn't going to be mutual respect between Iran and the US for years to come because there is a problem - Iran wants to reassert its sphere of influence in the ME like it used to be when it was part of the Persian empire. The US doesn't want that to happen. We are going to be butting heads for the foreseeable future.

As far the incident with the sailors, sure, Iran could have pulled out the spies & saboteurs claim. However, no doubt Iran did the political math and calculated that with the current nuclear agreement, along with other pressing UN issues, that it wouldn't be in their best interest to pull that kind of crap. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that there was some backroom dealing where Iran pressed for some more concessions and advantages that the public doesn't even know about.

That's just politics. It's the way that shit works. So let's not pretend it was about respect, doing the right thing, or that Iran (or the US for that matter) has anything else but their own self-interests in mind.

 

[nickqt]

Meh. There isn't going to be mutual respect between Iran the US for years to come because there is a problem - Iran wants to reassert its sphere of influence in the ME like it used to be when it was part of the Persian empire. The US doesn't want that to happen. We are going to be butting heads for the foreseeable future.

As far the incident with the sailors, sure, Iran could have pulled out the spies & saboteurs claim. However, no doubt Iran did the political math and calculated that with the current nuclear agreement, along with other pressing UN issues, that it wouldn't be in their best interest to pull that kind of crap. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that there was some backroom dealing where Iran pressed for some more concessions and advantages that the public doesn't even know about.

That's just politics. It's the way that shit works. So let's not pretend it was about respect, doing the right thing, or that Iran (or the US for that matter) has anything else but their own self-interests in mind.

Iran already exerts itself in the middle east, where its natural sphere of influence exists.

See, Iraq, post-Saddam.

 

[Jhhnn]

Meh. There isn't going to be mutual respect between Iran and the US for years to come because there is a problem - Iran wants to reassert its sphere of influence in the ME like it used to be when it was part of the Persian empire. The US doesn't want that to happen. We are going to be butting heads for the foreseeable future.

Neither will be threatening War.

As far the incident with the sailors, sure, Iran could have pulled out the spies & saboteurs claim. However, no doubt Iran did the political math and calculated that with the current nuclear agreement, along with other pressing UN issues, that it wouldn't be in their best interest to pull that kind of crap. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that there was some backroom dealing where Iran pressed for some more concessions and advantages that the public doesn't even know about.

Forever with the innuendo.

That's just politics. It's the way that shit works. So let's not pretend it was about respect, doing the right thing, or that Iran (or the US for that matter) has anything else but their own self-interests in mind.

Yeh, we finally figured out that destabilizing the govt of a nuclear capable nation is a really stupid idea & that "military action" against Iran is equally so. We also have common interests in opposing Sunni extremism in Iraq, Syria & Afghanistan.

Politics? It seems likely that the Bush Admin could have made this deal 10 years ago but it was more important to them to have another boogeyman for domestic political purposes. It's easy to "pertekt Merricuh!" against a threat that's largely imaginary. It keeps the rubes nicely irrational & therefore more susceptible to the other bullshit Repubs have been slinging for decades. They're clinging to it with all they've got, of course, with fear being an integral & important part of their toolkit. They use fear to unite people under an authoritarian banner against a common enemy whether it's real, trumped up or imaginary. There's also the Neocon ambition of spreading "Free! Freedom! & Liberty!" at gunpoint simply because they think we have the might to do that.

Iran's hardliners have played it the same way, fanning the flames of patriotism against an enemy actually more real than imaginary. That would be us & our now abandoned regime change policy towards Iran. They're in deeper trouble than our own right wingers because the impetus to evolve into a more western style society is huge & hard to stop with democratic institutions. The Rouhani govt is just the beginning of that.

 

[werepossum]

Meh. There isn't going to be mutual respect between Iran and the US for years to come because there is a problem - Iran wants to reassert its sphere of influence in the ME like it used to be when it was part of the Persian empire. The US doesn't want that to happen. We are going to be butting heads for the foreseeable future.

As far the incident with the sailors, sure, Iran could have pulled out the spies & saboteurs claim. However, no doubt Iran did the political math and calculated that with the current nuclear agreement, along with other pressing UN issues, that it wouldn't be in their best interest to pull that kind of crap. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that there was some backroom dealing where Iran pressed for some more concessions and advantages that the public doesn't even know about.

That's just politics. It's the way that shit works. So let's not pretend it was about respect, doing the right thing, or that Iran (or the US for that matter) has anything else but their own self-interests in mind.

Iran pretty much did make the spies & saboteurs claim. They paraded their captives on television and forced them to read statements admitting guilt. Then they released them to us, so effectively they get the benefits of both behaviors. However, it's a big change to get back our people in days rather than months or years. That's a good thing, and it's probably the sole result of Obama giving them everything they want in the nuclear treaty. Iran's leaders really, really want their capital thawed and the sanctions with Europe (third level Satans) dropped, so they are playing nice. Well, nice by their standards, and acceptable by ours.

 

[Jhhnn]

Iran pretty much did make the spies & saboteurs claim. They paraded their captives on television and forced them to read statements admitting guilt. Then they released them to us, so effectively they get the benefits of both behaviors. However, it's a big change to get back our people in days rather than months or years. That's a good thing, and it's probably the sole result of Obama giving them everything they want in the nuclear treaty. Iran's leaders really, really want their capital thawed and the sanctions with Europe (third level Satans) dropped, so they are playing nice. Well, nice by their standards, and acceptable by ours.

Iran pretty much did none of that. Watch the video-

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/13/politics/iran-us-sailors/

Sitting around, getting fed & speaking extemporaneously about what happened.

It seems unlikely they got everything they wanted out of the deal, nor did we.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Neither will be threatening War.

Classical war? Unlikely. No doubt there will be plenty of mini/proxy wars and muscle flexing though, which is exactly what this debacle with the sailors was.

Forever with the innuendo.

Innuendo? No. Speculation is probably the word you were looking for.

Yeh, we finally figured out that destabilizing the govt of a nuclear capable nation is a really stupid idea

Gee, if Iran could only adopt that attitude regarding Israel.

& that "military action" against Iran is equally so. We also have common interests in opposing Sunni extremism in Iraq, Syria & Afghanistan.

I don't think favoring any sect of Islam is an interest of the US.

Politics? It seems likely that the Bush Admin could have made this deal 10 years ago but it was more important to them to have another boogeyman for domestic political purposes. It's easy to "pertekt Merricuh!" against a threat that's largely imaginary. It keeps the rubes nicely irrational & therefore more susceptible to the other bullshit Repubs have been slinging for decades. They're clinging to it with all they've got, of course, with fear being an integral & important part of their toolkit. They use fear to unite people under an authoritarian banner against a common enemy whether it's real, trumped up or imaginary. There's also the Neocon ambition of spreading "Free! Freedom! & Liberty!" at gunpoint simply because they think we have the might to do that.

Blah, blah, blah. Bu...bu..Bush. Get over it already.

Iran's hardliners have played it the same way, fanning the flames of patriotism against an enemy actually more real than imaginary. That would be us & our now abandoned regime change policy towards Iran. They're in deeper trouble than our own right wingers because the impetus to evolve into a more western style society is huge & hard to stop with democratic institutions. The Rouhani govt is just the beginning of that.

Until the Ulama are shunned in Iran the hardliners will always be in control. And the Ulama won't be shunned until Islam is shunned. Don't expect that to happen any time soon. The citizens of Iran have little to no control because they allow themselves to be held down under the thumb of a religion that has no place today's day and age. Unless they discharge that antiquity of beliefs, or find a way to throttle the Ulama and wrest control from them, they will continue to suffer from the hardliners who determine how they should all live their lives.

 

[HTFOff]

Unfortunate situation all around.

Navy commodore to be relieved of command over Iran's capture of his sailors

The commodore in charge of the two U.S. Navy boats that strayed into Iranian waters leading to the capture of his 10 sailors for 16 hours in January will be relieved of command likely putting an end to his career, Fox News has learned.

Capt. Kyle Moses, commodore of Commander Task Force (CTF) 56 was responsible for the two riverine boats and Kuwait-based crew. The Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral John Richardson, is set to release a long-awaited report on June 30th about the events surrounding the January incident now that the investigation is complete.

Iranian Revolutionary Guard forces captured the two high-speed patrol boats near Farsi Island, a well-known Iranian base, hours after the boats left Kuwait on January 12 with the intended purpose of sailing to Bahrain. Five sailors were aboard each boat.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/2...r-irans-capture-his-sailors.html?intcmp=hpbt3