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glenn beck
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sash1
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i agree with everyone else that it's pretty much genetics, but at the same time, i eat healthy and exercise, and ran track from when i was 5 years old till the end of HS. i'm 5'10" 130lbs:
1. They don't diet - Never have, never will
2. They keep track of their weight - Yes, but only because i'm trying to gain weight
3. They exercise regularly - Yup
4. They don't solve problems with food - Agree
5. They stop eating when they're full - Possibly
6. They don't surround themselves with temptation - I don't really drink soda/eat high sugar/fatty foods anyway, so my kitchen is void of this stuff anyway
7. They allow themselves treats - Nope. Don't eat cake/fast food or any of that crap
8. They eat breakfast - :heart: cereal
9. They move, stand and fidget more - Irrelevant?
10. They don't skip meals - I eat 5 meals/day
1. They don't diet - Never have, never will
2. They keep track of their weight - Yes, but only because i'm trying to gain weight
3. They exercise regularly - Yup
4. They don't solve problems with food - Agree
5. They stop eating when they're full - Possibly
6. They don't surround themselves with temptation - I don't really drink soda/eat high sugar/fatty foods anyway, so my kitchen is void of this stuff anyway
7. They allow themselves treats - Nope. Don't eat cake/fast food or any of that crap
8. They eat breakfast - :heart: cereal
9. They move, stand and fidget more - Irrelevant?
10. They don't skip meals - I eat 5 meals/day
PieIsAwesome
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Hmmm, well for me...
1. They don't diet
True. I always eat whatever the crap I want.
2. They keep track of their weight
No.
3. They exercise regularly
No.
4. They don't solve problems with food.
Guess not.
Oh wait, I do seem to eat snacks when I am bored or stressed. Snacks like chocolate, whipped cream, and pie, mmmmm.
5. They stop eating when they're full
True
6. They don't surround themselves with temptation
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
7. They allow themselves treats
Yes, I allow myself PLENTYT of treats.
8. They eat breakfast
No.
9. They move, stand and fidget more
Yes.
10. They don't skip meals
My eating schedule is so fucked up.
The real answer is that I am blessed by Darwin.
1. They don't diet
True. I always eat whatever the crap I want.
2. They keep track of their weight
No.
3. They exercise regularly
No.
4. They don't solve problems with food.
Guess not.
Oh wait, I do seem to eat snacks when I am bored or stressed. Snacks like chocolate, whipped cream, and pie, mmmmm.
5. They stop eating when they're full
True
6. They don't surround themselves with temptation
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
7. They allow themselves treats
Yes, I allow myself PLENTYT of treats.
8. They eat breakfast
No.
9. They move, stand and fidget more
Yes.
10. They don't skip meals
My eating schedule is so fucked up.
The real answer is that I am blessed by Darwin.
Amused
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Maybe you should read the thread? I have already given scientific proof that the tendency toward obesity is genetic, and that they have even shown what causes hunger to turn on and off.
Some people stay hungry longer. This is not "magic." It is genetics.
Going hungry is not personal responsibility. Exercise IS personal responsibility.
So instead of jumping on the stupidity bandwagon and allowing people to make you blame yourself, understand your genetics and make changes that adjust to them, rather than thinking you can adjust them to you.
For most overweight people the only answer is physical activity, not diet.
Since our environment is only going to become more sedentary as time goes on, I hope researchers find a way to shut hunger off soon. The majority of people will not exercise regularly. That's a fact. But exercise is far more successful long term than diet.
CKent
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I've read the thread. Tendencies don't make you fat.
I'm an endomorph, I can feel contented on as little as 1200-1500 calories a day if I eat smaller & more frequent meals of healthy foods and lose weight without exercising, more weight if I do exercise. I'm not overweight because of a tendency toward it, which I do have. I'm overweight because of things instilled in me by nurture, bad eating habits and little discipline. The difference between what I need to eat to maintain weight and what an ectomorph needs is probably under 500 calories a day, that's like a few cookies or something.
We set our own perceptions to "normal" and anyone who varies from us in any aspect of life on either side of the spectrum is too big or too small, too right or too left, too this or too that, when compared to our visions of ourselves as perfectly middle-of-the-road normal. People raised by shitty parents with little discipline (eg. 99% of the population in the past couple decades) think that having no self control is normal and honestly DO think that the spoon is what's making them fat, the drug is what's making them addicted, the hot coffee is to blame for their burns when they fucking spill it all over themselves, etc. And a litigious society with far too many lawyers vindicates them by settling personal responsibility cases in favor of people who have none. It's all a load of shit.
Amused
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Sorry, but political and sociological ideologies do NOT make fact.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8452057
Fact: The tendency for obesity is nature, not nurture.
Hunger has nothing to do with addiction any more than the need to breath is an "addiction" nor can it be controlled.
Is there a lack of personal responsibilty growing in our society? Yes. Is that what obesity is related to? NO.
I read an article a few months back that talked about fidgeting and its effects on calories burned. You can actually burn an extra 300 per day compared to a person who doesn't.
CKent
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A tendency is just that. Nurture is still the predominant factor. The reason obesity rates keep rising is the terrible parenting going on these days. Discipline has come to be seen as mean and obnoxiousness is seen by parents as self-expression.
It sure isn't evolution, I doubt the fit people aren't going "God damnit I can't fucking get laid no matter what!" while the morbidly obese are beating away the opposite sex with a stick. Except for that one really fat Mexican guy, he's good.
It sure isn't evolution, I doubt the fit people aren't going "God damnit I can't fucking get laid no matter what!" while the morbidly obese are beating away the opposite sex with a stick. Except for that one really fat Mexican guy, he's good.
For me:
1. They don't diet - True
2. They keep track of their weight - True
3. They exercise regularly - True
4. They don't solve problems with food - True except for the last couple months... I stopped though.
5. They stop eating when they're full - True x1000
6. They don't surround themselves with temptation - True
7. They allow themselves treats - True
8. They eat breakfast - Sometimes
9. They move, stand and fidget more - Always, every second of the day
10. They don't skip meals - True, but I've gotten a little bad
No they're not.
1. They don't diet - True
2. They keep track of their weight - True
3. They exercise regularly - True
4. They don't solve problems with food - True except for the last couple months... I stopped though.
5. They stop eating when they're full - True x1000
6. They don't surround themselves with temptation - True
7. They allow themselves treats - True
8. They eat breakfast - Sometimes
9. They move, stand and fidget more - Always, every second of the day
10. They don't skip meals - True, but I've gotten a little bad
No they're not.
CRXican
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If I ignore hunger it usually goes away. I eat "normal" sized meals and stop. If I get hungry but know that my last meal was sufficient I can wait until the next meal of the day.
I see what Amused is saying but if you're an adult who knows you just ate and you get hungry again you should be able to resist. Self discipline has to play some role or there might be a lot more bohemoths out there.
I see what Amused is saying but if you're an adult who knows you just ate and you get hungry again you should be able to resist. Self discipline has to play some role or there might be a lot more bohemoths out there.
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my old roommate ate nothing but shit (specifically, bags of reeces pieces, a 2 liter bottle of mountain dew every day, and copious amounts of hot pockets/frozen dinners) and didn't exercise anymore than walking between his car and the apartment... he was pretty much a twig.
though in fairness, a couple years after he moved out and got married, he developed a gigantic gut. it's kinda gross to look at... skinny arms, skinny legs, and a giant gut. and he still wears the same shirts he wore before.
though in fairness, a couple years after he moved out and got married, he developed a gigantic gut. it's kinda gross to look at... skinny arms, skinny legs, and a giant gut. and he still wears the same shirts he wore before.
Fat people are fat because:
a) They like food more than they like their health
b) ...
I don't mind fat people at all. I'm not offended by them and I don't care if they're driving the cost of my insurance up or whatever. The only thing I hate is when someone talks about "how hard they're trying to lose weight" and then when I see them actually eating they don't appear to be trying to do anything but set a world record for most calorie-laden food consumed in a sitting. The problem is that some people don't really realize just how much they're eating. They say they ate a salad for lunch, but they conveniently forget about the heaps of cheese and heavy ranch dressing they piled on top of it. They say they skipped breakfast and dinner, but they forget about the 2 candy bars, bag of chips, and chocolate malt they consumed.
People who are fat usually maintain a slow and steady intake of easy-to-forget foods during the course of the day. They'll do this in addition to normal sized or even small regular meals. That's why they're fat and yet can still fool themselves into thinking they don't eat much. People who are naturally skinny are just the opposite. They claim they eat like horses and never gain weight. Ask some skinny people and see if they don't say that. They always have an anecdotal story about this "one time" where they "ate a whole pot of chili" or some such nonsense. But the truth is that they do NOT eat like horses and the same diet that a fat person calls "not a lot" would send them puking to the bathroom. I only bring the skinny folks into this to demonstrate that the same problem exists on both sides. People both skinny and fat fool themselves on a daily basis about what and how much they eat and I think that it's this phenomenon that primarily causes the idea of genetic predisposition to sound so plausible to the same people. In most cases it just ain't true.
a) They like food more than they like their health
b) ...
I don't mind fat people at all. I'm not offended by them and I don't care if they're driving the cost of my insurance up or whatever. The only thing I hate is when someone talks about "how hard they're trying to lose weight" and then when I see them actually eating they don't appear to be trying to do anything but set a world record for most calorie-laden food consumed in a sitting. The problem is that some people don't really realize just how much they're eating. They say they ate a salad for lunch, but they conveniently forget about the heaps of cheese and heavy ranch dressing they piled on top of it. They say they skipped breakfast and dinner, but they forget about the 2 candy bars, bag of chips, and chocolate malt they consumed.
People who are fat usually maintain a slow and steady intake of easy-to-forget foods during the course of the day. They'll do this in addition to normal sized or even small regular meals. That's why they're fat and yet can still fool themselves into thinking they don't eat much. People who are naturally skinny are just the opposite. They claim they eat like horses and never gain weight. Ask some skinny people and see if they don't say that. They always have an anecdotal story about this "one time" where they "ate a whole pot of chili" or some such nonsense. But the truth is that they do NOT eat like horses and the same diet that a fat person calls "not a lot" would send them puking to the bathroom. I only bring the skinny folks into this to demonstrate that the same problem exists on both sides. People both skinny and fat fool themselves on a daily basis about what and how much they eat and I think that it's this phenomenon that primarily causes the idea of genetic predisposition to sound so plausible to the same people. In most cases it just ain't true.
Mo0o
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The exercise and diet patterns of modern day americans allows those with predispositions towards obesity to become obese. It's as simple as that. People always attack fatties for being lazy even though thats not necessarily true. Two people can have the same diet and exercise pattern and one person can be fat while another is thin.
CRXican
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Exactly. He probably woke up late, had the bag of candy and mtn dew for lunch. One or two hot pockets for dinner. He ate some nasty stuff but not much of it and may have hit the average 2,000 calories and maybe not.
On the other hand, the fat person ate what he did plus breakfast, lunch and dinner.
6'0" and 135 lbs here, 23-years-old. I have the 'can't gain weight' gene. I have worn the same size pants/shirts since I was 15.
Or maybe I'll get there someday.
Or maybe I'll get there someday.
Same here... 5'11" and 125 lbs here. Slowly putting on the pounds (2 lbs per year).
I like to eat good and tasty food, but it gets expensive north of 2500 calories per day
1. They don't diet - true
2. They keep track of their weight - true
3. They exercise regularly - true, but cheapness helped (public trans. tickets)
4. They don't solve problems with food - kinda true
5. They stop eating when they're full - I cram as much right after a meal before I feel full.
6. They don't surround themselves with temptation - not true, I had a box of mint chocolates and M&Ms at work on my desk for a week. Oh, and some Ritz sandwich crackers.
7. They allow themselves treats - True-ish
8. They eat breakfast - true for last 2 months, before that I used milk to stop my stomach from growling as much.
9. They move, stand and fidget more - true, but more cause my feet get tired.
10. They don't skip meals - I use to skip meals to play WoW and some other games, not anymore.
For the most part, I just keep track of my weight, exercise once or twice a week intensively, and walk to most places I go. I'm not thin though, I have a very small beer belly and quite a bit of meat.
Wow dude. I'm 5'4" and 130 lbs. I hite 135 earlier this week after the holiday meals.
2. They keep track of their weight - true
3. They exercise regularly - true, but cheapness helped (public trans. tickets)
4. They don't solve problems with food - kinda true
5. They stop eating when they're full - I cram as much right after a meal before I feel full.
6. They don't surround themselves with temptation - not true, I had a box of mint chocolates and M&Ms at work on my desk for a week. Oh, and some Ritz sandwich crackers.
7. They allow themselves treats - True-ish
8. They eat breakfast - true for last 2 months, before that I used milk to stop my stomach from growling as much.
9. They move, stand and fidget more - true, but more cause my feet get tired.
10. They don't skip meals - I use to skip meals to play WoW and some other games, not anymore.
For the most part, I just keep track of my weight, exercise once or twice a week intensively, and walk to most places I go. I'm not thin though, I have a very small beer belly and quite a bit of meat.
Originally posted by: Tiamat
Same here... 5'11" and 125 lbs here. Slowly putting on the pounds (2 lbs per year).
I like to eat good and tasty food, but it gets expensive north of 2500 calories per day
Wow dude. I'm 5'4" and 130 lbs. I hite 135 earlier this week after the holiday meals.
Genetics are a big part. But it's not all pre-determined, there are things done early in life that can screw you over permanently in a physiologic sense too. Last I heard, being fat for an extended time, especially during puberty, is generally bad news for your set point as dictated by leptin. I.e. you can raise it, but it doesn't go back down. And it seems like every year, some new study comes out about kids in utero being doomed to be a potential fatty by something their mom did.
A real annoyance is this "breakfast revs your metabolism" or "6 meals a day revs your metabolism" stuff -- it's basically a steaming pile of excrement. These things have filtered their way into the mainstream, but look at real studies and the evidence isn't there. Timing and frequency of feeding do little or nothing to change your basal metabolic rate. They've been publishing research on this crap for over 30 years, and it's always the same result. BMR tends to boil down to calories in and out over a sustained period of time (just like weight loss). Durrrrr...
People who spread their calories out in multiple smaller meals do tend to do better on diets though, for behavioral reasons. They aren't as likely to binge at some point during the day and blow their diet out of the water. But it ain't metabolism.
People seem to regard "metabolism" as some magical thing that you either have or you don't. As stated, the real problem is that their intake switch doesn't get flipped off as soon as the scrawny hardgainer who eats like a bird and proclaims that he's so full. Inevitably, these fat people who supposedly barely eat anything are consuming a lot more than they realize. Acknowledging that, you can either give up and become another American hog, or stop the BS and go out and bust your ass on a regular basis -- like we *used* to do in order to survive. That's what makes a "metabolism" and burns calories. The true metabolic booster (for many hours after the fact anyway) is activating energy-hungry muscle tissue with your exercise of choice. Resistance training FTW.
Regular physical activity is essential for long term success, this theme repeats ad nauseum in meta-studies and databases of successful weight-losers. Diet alone doesn't work.
A real annoyance is this "breakfast revs your metabolism" or "6 meals a day revs your metabolism" stuff -- it's basically a steaming pile of excrement. These things have filtered their way into the mainstream, but look at real studies and the evidence isn't there. Timing and frequency of feeding do little or nothing to change your basal metabolic rate. They've been publishing research on this crap for over 30 years, and it's always the same result. BMR tends to boil down to calories in and out over a sustained period of time (just like weight loss). Durrrrr...
People who spread their calories out in multiple smaller meals do tend to do better on diets though, for behavioral reasons. They aren't as likely to binge at some point during the day and blow their diet out of the water. But it ain't metabolism.
People seem to regard "metabolism" as some magical thing that you either have or you don't. As stated, the real problem is that their intake switch doesn't get flipped off as soon as the scrawny hardgainer who eats like a bird and proclaims that he's so full. Inevitably, these fat people who supposedly barely eat anything are consuming a lot more than they realize. Acknowledging that, you can either give up and become another American hog, or stop the BS and go out and bust your ass on a regular basis -- like we *used* to do in order to survive. That's what makes a "metabolism" and burns calories. The true metabolic booster (for many hours after the fact anyway) is activating energy-hungry muscle tissue with your exercise of choice. Resistance training FTW.
Regular physical activity is essential for long term success, this theme repeats ad nauseum in meta-studies and databases of successful weight-losers. Diet alone doesn't work.
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