10+ dead during shooting at the paper that ran Muhammad cartoon

[Don Vito Corleone]

There are some emerging reports from the Guardian that 3 suspects have been arrested. We shall see . . .

 

[IndyColtsFan]

There are some emerging reports from the Guardian that 3 suspects have been arrested. We shall see . . .

Let's hope so.

 

[raildogg]

At least the West has had progress. And Muslims can move over here and its ok, nobody harasses them. They can even wear a full-out Burka or build a Mosque and its ok. But heaven forbid if its the other way around, no it doesnt work that way. No churches can be built in Saudi Arabia at all, no Non-Muslims are allowed in Mecca. Western women must dress like Muslim women when in the Middle East. Times change, Islam unfortunately has not. and you know what ? Thats fine. But keep your Bullshit in your own country, if you want to move to France or Germany or even the USA - then leave your bullshit back home [like not being allowed to critisize Muhammad, keep that back in the desert where it belongs and dont force it on us].


Islam still is a tribal desert religion that uses the sword [or in this case - AK47s] to get what it wants. And in this case - Islam likely will get what it wants, people will be afraid to critisize the pedophile-prophet-Mohammad now. Definitely that will be the case in France atleast - "I dont want to end up like Charlie Hebdo".

Religion of peace my ass.

The people there are heavily conditioned - who knows, maybe more conditioned than other people around the world. Conditioning does not make the religion bad. You must totally separate the two. Islam is not the enemy at all. If the so-called Muslims actually followed Islam rather than their Iman or some other leader, they wouldn't be what they are.

The Imam can call himself a Muslim all day long but that doesn't make him so. A man who is so full of himself and is full of hate for others cannot be a religious person. Yet, the ignorant, uninformed masses eat that stuff up. They don't use critical thinking. They don't see that there can be another way - a way that is totally non-violent. But that requires effort and it's much easier to follow some so-called leader.

If that same person who was born in the MidEast was born elsewhere, his conditioning would be different. Once again, heavy conditioning is behind his hatred. He himself doesn't know why he hates or why he feels what he feels. He is totally blind. Totally unaware. It is sad that so many people in this world are this way. People need to look themselves in the mirror and see that they are the enemy. They have no other enemy but themselves.

 

[moonbogg]

This demands justice.

What kind of justice? Like arresting the three people who shot the place up? What else can you do?

 

[raildogg]

What kind of justice? Like arresting the three people who shot the place up? What else can you do?

Justice? How can corrupt men who are heavily biased know what justice is?

This is why there is no justice in the world and cannot be any. As long as humans are the way they are (prejudiced, biased, self-absorbed) there can never be justice.

 

[TechBoyJK]

There are some emerging reports from the Guardian that 3 suspects have been arrested. We shall see . . .

ID'd, but not arrested.

 

[maddogchen]

"Two officials named the suspects as Frenchmen Said Kouachi and Cherif Kouachi, in their early 30s, as well as 18-year-old Hamyd Mourad, whose nationality wasn't immediately clear. One of the officials said they were linked to a Yemeni terrorist network. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to publicly discuss the sensitive and ongoing investigation."

 

[StrangerGuy]

Estimated 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.
20-30K in ISIS... lets quintuple to 150K that for all the other radical sects and crazy fucks that distort the teachings

150,000/1,600,000,000 = A REALLY SMALL PERCENTAGE

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c...ical_magazine_titanic_if_you_shoot_at/cnhpj0n

...Oh, a really small percentage. Must be false because *insert Zionist Conspiracy Theory Here*

 

[f1sherman]

A spokesman for the French police tells the Guardian’s Kim Willsher in Paris that authorities have arrested three suspects in the Charlie Hebdo attack.

However Kim points out that the interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, addressed the media not long ago and did not mention arrests.

More details to come.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

 

[norseamd]

What kind of justice? Like arresting the three people who shot the place up? What else can you do?

Yes. Obviously. And get rid of the clothing laws while increasing the level of defense and strategic operations. This "worldshit" is not going to go away by just ignoring everything and think that we are fully responsible for creating everything. And there are infinite possibilities for how to approach and interact with this world-systems problem.

And that goes for other EU countries also. Hollande now seems to be begging for getting rid of the Russian sanctions. And he is meeting with one of the oil CEOs who replaced some Total Oil CEO named Margerie who died mysteriously in a plane crash while leaving Muscovy last October. So we have to take concerns with the level of commitment the Francias government has for anything of importance.

 

[Belegost]

Didn't see this posted here yet, a response to the attacks from a former editor of The Onion (Charlie Hebdo is (was?) a satire publication similar to The Onion)

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/former-onion-editor-freedom-speech-cannot-be-killed

Some choice quotes:

It looks like a highly organized attack, but an attack, ultimately, on what? An idea? You cannot kill an idea by murdering innocent people – though you can nudge it toward suicide.

That is the real threat: that we’ll allow our fear, or our anger, to kill ourselves.

This will be framed by many as the latest salvo in an ongoing war between the West and Islam, when what this really amounts to is the slaughter of innocent people. These murderers don’t represent anyone but themselves, their own twisted view of reality. They don’t stand for an entire religion anymore than the Westboro Baptist Church stands for an entire religion or the Ku Klux Klan stands for an entire race.

Our society is possibly the freest that humankind has yet produced and that freedom is predicated on one central idea: the right to speech. That right is understood as a natural extension of our very existence. In America, free speech is so important that the men who wrote our Bill of Rights put it first, but followed it up with our right to bear arms. To me, that’s always been a pretty strong message: Say what you want and, here, take some guns to make sure no one tries to stop you. But in this state of widespread social change – probably the most profound in centuries – we need to make sure that the ideal of the second amendment never, ever trumps the power of the first. That brute force never negates ideas.

This is a loss for all of humanity. The victims, people who believed with passion and intellect that humankind can be better, were struck down in the birthplace of the Enlightenment, the movement from which the modern world emanates.

The Charlie Hebdo gunmen also shot a police officer in the head as he lay dying on the sidewalk. These people are not just enemies of cartoonists or the ideals of the West. They’re enemies of human life. They care for nothing, believe in nothing worth believing in, and therefore their ideology, whatever it may be, is worthless. Moot. Not even worth our consideration for a moment.

Really a well-written article, all I can add to it:

/signed

 

[tynopik]

Estimated 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.
20-30K in ISIS... lets quintuple to 150K that for all the other radical sects and crazy fucks that distort the teachings

150,000/1,600,000,000 = A REALLY SMALL PERCENTAGE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[6] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers.[7] A 2007 poll found that one Muslim in four thought the Government had staged the bombings and framed the Muslims convicted.

6% of 1.6 billion is 96 MILLION who think they're FULLY JUSTIFIED

that's significant

Together they would make the 13th most populous country in the world, between the Philippines and Vietnam

Put another way, that's more than the population of California, Florida and Texas combined

To pretend this is a fringe belief in nonsensical

 

[norseamd]

When I was first watching some of the video the calm methodical professionalism was so apparent as to be noticeable in the first few seconds of the video without me even looking for anything.

 

[Subyman]

Didn't see this posted here yet, a response to the attacks from a former editor of The Onion (Charlie Hebdo is (was?) a satire publication similar to The Onion)

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/former-onion-editor-freedom-speech-cannot-be-killed

Some choice quotes:




Really a well-written article, all I can add to it:

/signed

I agree. This quote is what resonated with me the most and is what I was discussing with a relative today:

The Charlie Hebdo gunmen also shot a police officer in the head as he lay dying on the sidewalk. These people are not just enemies of cartoonists or the ideals of the West. They’re enemies of human life. They care for nothing, believe in nothing worth believing in, and therefore their ideology, whatever it may be, is worthless. Moot. Not even worth our consideration for a moment.

Those people that attacked unarmed civilians are inhuman. They lack all compassion and empathy. They are no longer a part of the race of man. It wasn't even animalistic. It was worse. It was pure hatred that drove them.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Those people that attacked unarmed civilians are inhuman. They lack all compassion and empathy. They are no longer a part of the race of man. It wasn't even animalistic. It was worse. It was pure hatred that drove them.

Agree. I saw the video and pictures of them killing the policeman. These subhuman monsters need to be destroyed.

 

[5150Joker]

I agree. This quote is what resonated with me the most and is what I was discussing with a relative today:



Those people that attacked unarmed civilians are inhuman. They lack all compassion and empathy. They are no longer a part of the race of man. It wasn't even animalistic. It was worse. It was pure hatred that drove them.

Well duh, do you think they showed up guns blazing out of compassion? Many of you can sugarcoat it all you want but the thinly (or many times outright) veiled racism is all too apparent and generally comes from whites. On one hand you have people blaming Islam and then following up with shit like, "lets bomb their countries" and topics such as, "why does x country in Europe allow these immigrants in?".

Truth is, most of those immigrants wouldn't be there if whites hadn't gone and fucked up their countries with colonization, wars and whatever else. Forget about religion, the most destructive people on earth are whites but they are quick to point the finger at others. Both world wars? Whites. Genocide of Jews? Whites. Colonization and exploitation of India? Whitey again. Genocide of American Indians? YAWN itssss whitey. Nuking of Japan several times? Whites. Inquisition? Whites. Killing of Afghans, Iraqis and whoever else w/drones and bombings? White policy again. Yeah Obama is the President but he's still a puppet that is commanded by his white overlords.

So keeping in line with the generalizations made above, white people are a cancer to this earth.



















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Bet some of you got really pissed at those sweeping generalizations eh? :whiste: And just for the record, the above wasn't entirely serious but I am when I point out that much of the "Islam" bashing is just thinly disguised racism directed against those from the Mideast or who look like them. Islam is a religion that can't even agree with itself (shia vs sunni) so calls for some unified voice from Muslims is unrealistic and absurd. There is a problem of extremism in some fraction of Islamic believers and some of that stems from ignorance while a lot is from circumstance (war torn countries) and those that take advantage of it (e.g. Saudi Arabia and it's export of Wahhabism, US arming zealots for political purposes). It's a complex problem that can't simply be solved by pointing a finger and saying, "why aren't you speaking up?" at a group of people that aren't connected to it.

 

[Fern]

As an American I find it interesting how other cultures, who don't have a First Amendment, view free speech.
-snip-

France has one. It's from their 'constitution' dating back to 1789:

The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, of constitutional value, states, in its article 11:

The free communication of thoughts and of opinions is one of the most precious rights of man: any citizen thus may speak, write, print freely, save [if it is necessary] to respond to the abuse of this liberty, in the cases determined by the law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#France

(It has been 'watered down' a bit though.)

Fern

 

[MongGrel]

Ahh. So guns don't kill people but religions do. Must suck to be such idiotic bigot.

Says yet another circle jerking bigot. Very impressed by your well thought out rebuttal.

No YOU said that. That's called a straw man. I said no such thing. They are the FUCKING SAME. ANYONE who kills in the name of religion is a whack job. But not every person who belongs to that religion is, unless of course they are Muslim (see how easy straw men can be built).

You are just another brainless moron who calls people dumb. Still waiting for you to refute the post I quoted that you shit and ran on. Yeah, that was great argumentative skills you displayed there. Amazing how you can't see how full of shit you are.

 

[KMFJD]

One of the people killed today

 

[Fern]

I think plain and simple is wrong. Its not simple when you read the religious texts. Christianity for a long time was not a peaceful religion either, until huge chunks of its followers stopped following the texts.
-snip-

I'm pretty sure Christianity began as a peaceful religion. It was only much later that the violent version popped up. But by then it was much more a government/state than a religion.

Fern

 

[MongGrel]

Obama is still looking for his balls.

Where the flying fuck did that come from anyway ?

 

[Fern]

Estimated 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.
20-30K in ISIS... lets quintuple to 150K that for all the other radical sects and crazy fucks that distort the teachings

150,000/1,600,000,000 = A REALLY SMALL PERCENTAGE

I partially agree, and disagree.

To be fair we should be saying "Arab Muslims", not just "Muslims".

Now, not all Arab Muslims support violence, but those who do are not an insignificant minority. I encourage you to check polling on this done in M.E. countries etc.

Fern

 

[michal1980]

Estimated 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world.
20-30K in ISIS... lets quintuple to 150K that for all the other radical sects and crazy fucks that distort the teachings

150,000/1,600,000,000 = A REALLY SMALL PERCENTAGE

according to political fact.

The range for radical Islam can be between 180million and 690million

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...o/shapiro-says-majority-muslims-are-radicals/

 

[Fern]

I think if the entire Mideast was composed of blue eyed blondes, the discussion would be very different.

"Blue eyed blondes"?

We've bombed the ever lovin' shizz out of "blue eyed blondes" before.

Fern