10+ dead during shooting at the paper that ran Muhammad cartoon

[highland145]

Homicide rate by firearms in the USA is 2.83 per 100,000

France is 0.22 per 100,000.

Uh, they ain't got no guns, maybe?


Regardless, the 2 cops and the other victims would rather the # be way lower.

Just guessing.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Uh, they ain't got no guns, maybe?


Regardless, the 2 cops and the other victims would rather the # be way lower.

Just guessing.

Yeah, that's right. THey ain't got no guns and therefore French citizens are 13x less likely to get murdered by a firearm. If people are going to bring politics into this decision, then let's also present the facts rather than knee jerk reactions certain people here are famous for.

(the overall homicide rate is 3x lower in France as well, so I'd suggest French people won't be interested in gun ownership any time soon...)

 

[highland145]

Yeah, that's right. THey ain't got no guns and therefore French citizens are 13x less likely to get murdered by a firearm. If people are going to bring politics into this decision, then let's also present the facts rather than knee jerk reactions certain people here are famous for.

(the overall homicide rate is 3x lower in France as well, so I'd suggest French people won't be interested in gun ownership any time soon...)

Time will tell.

 

[OutHouse]

Officially done with CNN for the rest of my life; nothing but bunch of cowards:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...cut-off-controversial-charlie-hebdo-drawings/

Yea the keep looping that poor cop getting executed. Totally sickening.

 

[f1sherman]

Did you read that guy's criteria for someone being called a "radical muslim"? If they agree with Sharia law then they are radical. So that pretty much includes all the middle east.

Reading the article that he's linking... pfffft like he's some ultra Berkley-liberal

 

[Subyman]

Yea the keep looping that poor cop getting executed. Totally sickening.

All the outlets seem to be doing that. Pretty shameful.

 

[highland145]

All the outlets seem to be doing that. Pretty shameful.

God that just shows fox doesn't give a shit about integrity. Shameless.

My thoughts too.

 

[Brainonska511]

Eh there was another survey in Austria where some 70% of the muslims surveyed said that sharia is more important than the laws of the land.

As far as I understand it, Sharia is analogous to following orthodox rules in Judaism. But to ignorant people that think Sharia is the devil, sure, that seems like a 'scary' percentage.

 

[bradly1101]

We all know what we need to do to continue radical Islamic terrorist attacks:

• Setup military bases in Islamic countries.
• Support despotic, strong-man leaders in these countries.
• Make fun of their prophet.
• Support Israel.

Why do we do these things? Is the only answer, "because we need your oil" and "free speech trumps all threats?" As long as we do them we will be a target.

 

[Jadow]

surely this is all a giant fraud. France has very strict gun control laws, I don't see how the attackers could have even gotten guns.

 

[f1sherman]

Eh there was another survey in Austria where some 70% of the muslims surveyed said that sharia is more important than the laws of the land.

some ppl will believe just about anything.

FPO (2014): 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/

So it's 43% of their kook scholars picked for this poll. Also keep in mind that's according to RT(aka Russia Today, aka Russ. govt sponsored station)

You really have to be something to believe that ordinary muslims in... AUSTRIA(!) would prefer Sharia over Austrian laws.

I don't know about say UK, but Austria(?) LOL.
Do you know what Austria looks like?

You got it - milk and chocolate and cows and green pastures and Alps, and Mozart and Vienna and fucking castles everywhere. And you believe 70% of ppl living THERE would want sharia

 

[halik]

As far as I understand it, Sharia is analogous to following orthodox rules in Judaism. But to ignorant people that think Sharia is the devil, sure, that seems like a 'scary' percentage.

I think you missed the point, if you believe that any set religious rules supersede the laws of the land, you do not belong in secular western society. It doesn't matter whether it's Sharia, Torah or the Old Testament.

 

[halik]

some ppl will believe just about anything.

FPO (2014): 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/

So it's 43% of their kook scholars picked for this poll. Also keep in mind that's according to RT(aka Russia Today, aka Russ. govt sponsored station)

You really have to be something to believe that ordinary muslims in... AUSTRIA(!) would prefer Sharia over Austrian laws.

I don't know about say UK, but Austria(?) LOL.
Do you know what Austria looks like?

You got it - milk and chocolate and cows and green pastures and Alps, and Mozart and Vienna and fucking castles everywhere. And you believe 70% of ppl living THERE would want sharia

I was born ~3 hours north of Vienna; been to Austria more times than I can count.

What you linked is not the source I was referring to:

According to the study, Islamic fundamentalism is most pronounced in Austria, where 73% of Muslims interviewed say Sharia law is more important than the secular laws of the state;

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism

* No idea on the bias of Gastone Institute or Gustav Stresseman Instute

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Policeman shot dead was a 42 years old muslim...

Other than that the cartoonists were the most famed here since a few decades for some.

http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/artic...ateurs-et-journalistes-tues_4550767_3224.html

The policeman who died was a human being trying to protect others. His religion is irrelevant.

 

[f1sherman]

I was born ~3 hours north of Vienna.

OK so how can you believe that 70% of... well pretty much Turks are crazy like that? They're not. These are economic emigrants who largely don't give a fuck about religion.
Notice that compared to RT poll, ordinary muslims are more crazy then their kook scholars. That makes no sense.

And this one has been conducted by Germany-based Gustav Stresemann Foundation -- a think tank dedicated to the preservation and advancement of liberal democracy in Europe
I don't need a poll if the poll results are THAT much out of touch with reality

See here - roughly 20-25% of kooks, not 70%:
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.c...-sentence-for-apostasy-21-9-oppose-democracy/

20% which mind you is still very significant and worrying

 

[Sulaco]

We all know what we need to do to continue radical Islamic terrorist attacks:

• Setup military bases in Islamic countries.
• Support despotic, strong-man leaders in these countries.
• Make fun of their prophet.
• Support Israel.

Why do we do these things? Is the only answer, "because we need your oil" and "free speech trumps all threats?" As long as we do them we will be a target.

Lol you are such a tool.

 

[JulesMaximus]

My newest hero

:thumbsup:

Fuck the filthy bastard scum who did this and fuck their religion too.

 

[alcoholbob]

Isolated incident. Europe obviously needs to keep importing Muslims until indigenous Europeans are a minority.

 

[Brainonska511]

I think you missed the point, if you believe that any set religious rules supersede the laws of the land, you do not belong in secular western society. It doesn't matter whether it's Sharia, Torah or the Old Testament.

No, I don't think I did. I'm simply pointing out that a survey question of which non-mutually exclusive options is more important to an individual doesn't really say much about anything. Plus, as we've seen as of late in some states trying to ban "Sharia Law", it's become a code word for scary boogeyman.

But I think these side-conversations about trying to force our own secular beliefs onto people are a digression from the topic at hand, which is that there is a subset of people, who self-identify as Muslims, who are absolutely insane. I don't think you do the conversation justice by trying to paint with a wide brush of the West vs. Islam. I think much more of the blame for radicalization of Muslims in the world, particularly the Middle East, Africa, and South-East Asia has to do more with lack of political solutions from within their own countries than some intrinsic problem with the religion of Islam.

 

[soulcougher73]

some ppl will believe just about anything.

FPO (2014): 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/

So it's 43% of their kook scholars picked for this poll. Also keep in mind that's according to RT(aka Russia Today, aka Russ. govt sponsored station)

You really have to be something to believe that ordinary muslims in... AUSTRIA(!) would prefer Sharia over Austrian laws.

I don't know about say UK, but Austria(?) LOL.
Do you know what Austria looks like?

You got it - milk and chocolate and cows and green pastures and Alps, and Mozart and Vienna and fucking castles everywhere. And you believe 70% of ppl living THERE would want sharia

He said 70% of muslims. Not the country. Read much?

 

[moonbogg]

One of the people killed today

I feel dead to the world for not knowing this man before he had to die in defense of human rights and freedom. He is to be celebrated along with the others for their strength, courage and defiance of tyranny at the expense of their own lives so that others may live free.
These were true warriors for freedom, with the pen as their weapon in the modern world, like true soldiers they died by the gun, a weapon of yesterday that will never have nearly as much impact on the world as it's wielding scum hoped for.

 

[rudder]

Homicide rate by firearms in the USA is 2.83 per 100,000

France is 0.22 per 100,000.

Take away gang violence numbers and that U.S. rate will be more in line with France's firearm homicide rate. Seems the liberal war on poverty is responsible for a different type of war.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Take away gang violence numbers and that U.S. rate will be more in line with France's firearm homicide rate. Seems the liberal war on poverty is responsible for a different type of war.

Nevermind that this rate takes the US as a whole. Look at individual states and do a comparison then you'll discover an entirely different story and realize that the comparison is between the whole of the US versus France is as flawed as the idea that restrictive gun laws are some how correlated to safety in society or that these laws prevent determined nut-jobs, psychopaths, and criminals from doing harm to other people in society.

 

[WackyDan]

Yeah, that's right. THey ain't got no guns and therefore French citizens are 13x less likely to get murdered by a firearm. If people are going to bring politics into this decision, then let's also present the facts rather than knee jerk reactions certain people here are famous for.

(the overall homicide rate is 3x lower in France as well, so I'd suggest French people won't be interested in gun ownership any time soon...)

Love how you leave out the violent crime rate though.

 

[Jaskalas]

As an American I find it interesting how other cultures, who don't have a First Amendment, view free speech. I certainly think a newspaper should have the legal right to publish cartoons that mock religious iconography, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. Unfortunately it is abundantly clear that there are at least some practitioners of Islam who will not hesitate to resort to violence to avenge any perceived slight of their faith and its prophet. To me it's obviously foolish to gratuitously poke a sleeping bear with a broomstick, which is what this newspaper has a track record of doing. Here, it led to the deaths of 12 people.

None of that means that the victims deserved this - they absolutely did not, and this was an indefensible and cowardly act of terrorism. The bad guys are the terrorists, not the employees of the newspaper. Their deaths just seem pointless and unnecessary to me.

Pointless and unnecessary to practice and not censor our freedom.

Wonder what the greatest generation would say about that, if they could see us today cowering before a handful of nutjobs.