10+ dead during shooting at the paper that ran Muhammad cartoon

[Jaskalas]

I still find the demands by people here that all Muslims answer for the actions of a crazed few to be absolute silliness, but that's a different issue.

Should the Pope not condemn violence? I mean... he probably wouldn't want to be seen as answering for the crimes of the "crazed few". Must be absolute silliness on his part to speak to the peaceful merits holding civilization together.

Or... perhaps men seeking peace understand a simple truth. That human nature is evil, that we cling to power, and if good men sit idly by and do nothing then our streets would run red.

All of us must answer for the crimes of our fellow man. It takes an effort to keep the peace, to calm blood fueds, and to tell a frightened public that there are still good guys out there. That acts of terrorism do not define us.

Feel free to deride those who blame all Muslims, but do not give pause to my call for an effort to answer for these crimes. An act of terrorism was carried out by men who believe Islam is theirs. Civilization needs to answer that heinous act, and Muslims need to be standing there with us. The way forward is together.

 

[soulcougher73]

Muslims will be exported out of Europe soon enough with France leading the way..my prediction since about 2005?

Few bad apples are going to ruin it for the bunch if they wont speak up.

 

[soulcougher73]

Ahh. So guns don't kill people but religions do. Must suck to be such idiotic bigot.

The gun is a tool you fool. The gun didnt walk by itself and kill people. The religous person holding it did.

 

[5150Joker]

These are their kids, brought up in their homes, taught by their Imams. We can teach and promote tolerance and freedom in schools (and we do), but that doesn't help when they radicalize outside of the community of the majority.

Any study on the attitudes towards freedom of speech shows a large portion (if not a majority) of muslims disapproving, as long as their ridiculous faith is not "respected". You think it's a coincidence these attacks are carried out in the name of Islam over and over and over again?


When it's your family or your community, you ARE responsible, maybe not in a legal sense, but in a moral sense.

Bunch of nonsense. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and just because these guys belong to their religion doesn't hold the rest of the Muslims culpable for their actions. If that were the case, the Christians should have gone extinct long ago for their actions towards the rest of the world over the centuries. Fact is, this goes beyond religion and has a lot of racial undertones. When people say "Muslim" they mean, "those brown people from the Mideast". Thing is, immigration isn't the problem, it's one where the West has long poked its nose in Mideast affairs (dating back to the Crusades) and now the people who became radicalized as a result are hitting Europe and elsewhere. It's something that will go on for a long long time short of a nuclear war.

 

[OutHouse]

:whiste:

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your post is so full of fail you look stupid.

 

[OutHouse]

Fact is, this goes beyond religion and has a lot of racial undertones. When people say "Muslim" they mean, "those brown people from the Mideast".

and there is the race card.

congrats.

really religion had NOTHING to do with the shooting? is that what you are going with?

 

[fskimospy]

Should the Pope not condemn violence? I mean... he probably wouldn't want to be seen as answering for the crimes of the "crazed few". Must be absolute silliness on his part to speak to the peaceful merits holding civilization together.

Or... perhaps men seeking peace understand a simple truth. That human nature is evil, that we cling to power, and if good men sit idly by and do nothing then our streets would run red.

All of us must answer for the crimes of our fellow man. It takes an effort to keep the peace, to calm blood fueds, and to tell a frightened public that there are still good guys out there. That acts of terrorism do not define us.

Feel free to deride those who blame all Muslims, but do not give pause to my call for an effort to answer for these crimes. An act of terrorism was carried out by men who believe Islam is theirs. Civilization needs to answer that heinous act, and Muslims need to be standing there with us. The way forward is together.

The pope is literally the person appointed to represent all Catholics. So yes, he can and does speak for Catholics. There is no such person for Islam.

I agree that those who engage in these kinds of acts need to be held accountable.

 

[5150Joker]

and there is the race card.

congrats.

really religion had NOTHING to do with the shooting? is that what you are going with?

I think if the entire Mideast was composed of blue eyed blondes, the discussion would be very different.

 

[OutHouse]

There is no such person for Islam.

It is my belief that is the biggest problem. No one leader, instead just a bunch of ignorant "priest" making up their own rules and interpretations of the Koran and turning their "flock" into a bunch of foaming at the mouth psychotic zealots who bask in murder and fear.

 

[OutHouse]

I think if the entire Mideast was composed of blue eyed blondes, the discussion would be very different.

 

[Atreus21]

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.

Gosh, nearly 40 years and 17 attempted murders. Good heavens, the horror. How many do you suppose muslim terrorists have murdered, not just attempted, in that span of time? Thousands, in 9/11 alone, and that's just the US.

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs"). The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993. The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.

Stink bombs? Shit just got real. Trespassing?! Saints preserve us. Arson! Finally a crime that aspires to something near the wacko zealotry of environmental activists!

How willfully dishonest can a person get?

 

[Subyman]

Was reading about some of the people killed. They executed a 76 year old and an 80 year old. Hopefully the paper can continue. A lot of their cartoonists were killed.

 

[moonbogg]

I think if the entire Mideast was composed of blue eyed blondes, the discussion would be very different.

You mean like the Soviets? Perhaps zee germans?

 

[Atreus21]

It is my belief that is the biggest problem. No one leader, instead just a bunch of ignorant "priest" making up their own rules and interpretations of the Koran and turning their "flock" into a bunch of foaming at the mouth psychotic zealots who bask in murder and fear.

Many, in fact probably the majority, of religions have no single defined leader. Most non-Catholic denominations apart from the Church of England have no official head. Judaism, if I understand it correctly, is rife with leaders of sects which adhere to a certain interpretation of Judaism.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Why do they personally have to take to the streets to personally denounce the violence? The peaceful ones are not responsible for the nuts. Just like people protesting police brutality are not responsible for the nut that assassinated the police officers, nor are the anti-choice protesters responsible for the actions of anti-choice terrorists, nor are peaceful Christians responsible for acts of terrorism done by people that also claim to be Christians.

Nor is every cop responsible for the actions of a few bad apples. Wouldn't want to leave that one out...unless you did on purpose. Because we know we still want to brand all police officers as bad.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Why do they personally have to take to the streets to personally denounce the violence? The peaceful ones are not responsible for the nuts. Just like people protesting police brutality are not responsible for the nut that assassinated the police officers, nor are the anti-choice protesters responsible for the actions of anti-choice terrorists, nor are peaceful Christians responsible for acts of terrorism done by people that also claim to be Christians.

Because, if nothing else, by staying silent they are allowing the terrorists to become the spokesperson for their religion. This thread is proof that people are equating what these men did to the religion as a whole. Defend your good name or lose it.

Because compassion breeds compassion. Show the world that Muslims abore the actions of these men as much as the rest of the us and we will see these men as 'crazy' instead of 'Muslim'.

And finally, because the Muslim community has the power to do something about it, and failing to use that power is actively causing harm.

 

[BoberFett]

So unless gun violence is reduced to zero, strict laws on gun and ammo ownership are a failure?

And by similar reasoning, laws requiring seat belt use are a failure, because 20,000 to 30,000 seat-belt-wearing people still die every year in traffic accidents. Is this what you think?

Just say these words: "Gun control doesn't prevent mass killings." It's easy. You can do it.

 

[5150Joker]

Because compassion breeds compassion. Show the world that Muslims abore the actions of these men as much as the rest of the us and we will see these men as 'crazy' instead of 'Muslim'.

Instead, Texas should teach it's citizens how to spell words they don't understand.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Another white supremacist saying that Islam might be a problem. How dare he.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/01/0...ic-thinking-is-antagonizing-the-entire-world/

 

[IGBT]

yet another militant islamo sponsored massacre.

 

[mizzou]

Over a fucking cartoon? :\

 

[schmuckley]

:whiste: blahblahblah unrelated babble that has nothing to do with OP

And this has what to do with Muslim terrorism?
What IS your point?
What exactly does dredging up and posting in a wall of text with every instance of domestic terrorism in the U.S. since the 1970s have to do
with Muslim terrorists butchering journalists in France for a cartoon today?
Why would you do that?
Get out of your cubicle and go to the break room and nuke yourself a Hotpocket.

 

[moonbogg]

Hey, there were two cops there. I assume they were armed. What happened? Also remember, having a gun in your house will protect you if the US military decides to take over.

 

[PingviN]

Some people are just going to see racism behind every bush.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Some people are just going to see racism behind every bush.

how dare you insult president bush!