10 dead 35+ injured in New Orleans terror attack

[trenchfoot]

What a weird timeline we are in. What is going on?

First, registered Republicans keep trying to shoot Trump, now this...

Cybertruck blast suspect was a ‘Rambo type’ who loved Trump, family says

Exclusive: Matthew Livelsberger’s shocked uncle told The Independent that the Green Beret was a ‘supersoldier’

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How odd it is that a person could be called a very patriotic soldier and in the same breath be a person who loved Trump, who is anything but a patriot, a living breathing personified contradiction of the term.

 

[alien42]

How odd it is that a person could be called a very patriotic soldier and in the same breath be a person who loved Trump, who is anything but a patriot, a living breathing personified contradiction of the term.

It's really not that odd as there are tens of millions of those hypocritical cultists.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

How odd it is that a person could be called a very patriotic soldier and in the same breath be a person who loved Trump, who is anything but a patriot, a living breathing personified contradiction of the term.

Fervent supporter of new America, not old America, I wager.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Fervent supporter of new America, not old America, I wager.

I'm pretty sure Trump supporters are supporters of the fantasy "Old America". Their vision of the perfect 1950's white, patriarchal America, where wives knew their place and stayed at home, to keep house, and no one dared speak up about racial/sexual discriminations, etc...

In MAGA, the "Again" part is a return to the ideal straight, white, male past...

 

[Brainonska511]

I'm pretty sure Trump supporters are supporters of the fantasy "Old America". Their vision of the perfect 1950's white, patriarchal America, where wives knew their place and stayed at home, to keep house, and no one dared speak up about racial/sexual discriminations, etc...

In MAGA, the "Again" part is a return to the ideal straight, white, male past...

Sure, they dream of living in the 1950s, but they definitely don't want to live [economically] in the 1950s.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Sure, they dream of living in the 1950s, but they definitely don't want to live [economically] in the 1950s.

The dream of a white male in the 1950s specifically.

Oh but not one exploited in a job that eventually became unionized either.

 

[Brainonska511]

The dream of a white male in the 1950s specifically.

Oh but not one exploited in a job that eventually became unionized either.

Well, they should take a closer look at the size homes, quality of groceries, number and quality of cars, and cost of "stuff" even their idealized models had access to. (Hint: small, mediocre, ~1, and "a lot")

 

[Heartbreaker]

Sure, they dream of living in the 1950s, but they definitely don't want to live [economically] in the 1950s.

??

Economically, the 1950's were great. It was the post war boom. Wages outpaced inflation, housing was incredibly affordable, unemployment was low, there wasn't a market downturn in the whole decade.

 

[Brainonska511]

??

Economically, the 1950's were great. It was the post war boom. Wages outpaced inflation, housing was incredibly affordable, unemployment was low, there wasn't a market downturn in the whole decade.

You should look closer.

Who was it good for? What (and how much) could you buy with that money?

The median American is much better off today than the median 1950s American.

Edit:
Heck, at the start of the 50s, 1/3 of homes lacked indoor plumbing and that only fell to 1/6 in 1960!

 

[K1052]

You should look closer.

Who was it good for? What (and how much) could you buy with that money?

The median American is much better off today than the median 1950s American.

Edit:
Heck, at the start of the 50s, 1/3 of homes lacked indoor plumbing and that only fell to 1/6 in 1960!

Hell average life expectancy was 10 years less than it is now.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

How odd it is that a person could be called a very patriotic soldier and in the same breath be a person who loved Trump, who is anything but a patriot, a living breathing personified contradiction of the term.

-We are all, every single one of us, deeply vulnerable to propaganda/groupthink/doublethink etc.

Dude probably lived in a bubble where Biden/Harris were blood thirsty pedophiles out to make all the kids trans and emasculate all white men etc etc etc.

Waking up from that shit to see the guy you voted for spewing his typical dog shit and nominating people who're going to sell off the US Government (whore out the US government?) can be a hell of a jarring turn.

It's also possible this guy was really just deeply disaffected and the uncle we're getting this story from us the "crazy Trump humper" one.

 

[K1052]

Conservative media has spent the last two decades successfully working to make people believe insane things so that if some of their faithful come off the chain every now and again to turn on their idols if their fevered minds suspect betrayal is perhaps not too much of a surprise.

 

[alien42]

??

Economically, the 1950's were great. It was the post war boom. Wages outpaced inflation, housing was incredibly affordable, unemployment was low, there wasn't a market downturn in the whole decade.

What were the top income tax rates back then?

 

[MrSquished]

So this guy in the wankpanzer in Vegas was a massive Trump supporter.

Well, by taking himself out, and the Cyberstuck, finally, a Trumper helping to make America Great Again.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

So this guy in the wankpanzer in Vegas was a massive Trump supporter.

Well, by taking himself out, and the Cyberstuck, finally, a Trumper helping to make America Great Again.

- Maybe it wasn't a terrorist attack but instead a blood sacrifice in front of Trump tower for the President's success?

The Cybertruck must have been a tribute to Elon...

 

[pmv]

??

Economically, the 1950's were great. It was the post war boom. Wages outpaced inflation, housing was incredibly affordable, unemployment was low, there wasn't a market downturn in the whole decade.

You should look closer.

Who was it good for? What (and how much) could you buy with that money?

The median American is much better off today than the median 1950s American.

Edit:
Heck, at the start of the 50s, 1/3 of homes lacked indoor plumbing and that only fell to 1/6 in 1960!

Well, I guess it's a relational thing. In absolute terms things might not have been that great, but the _relative_ situation for white males vs everyone else, and for the US vs a world that had just been bankrupted and nearly-destroyed by a world war, was pretty sweet.

 

[MrSquished]

It's one thing to talk about creature comforts but it's another to talk about economic opportunity. Not the same thing.

We could have record level poverty is not made better by, air conditioning exists.

 

[Brainonska511]

Well, I guess it's a relational thing. In absolute terms things might not have been that great, but the _relative_ situation for white males vs everyone else, and for the US vs a world that had just been bankrupted and nearly-destroyed by a world war, was pretty sweet.

These people with nostalgia goggles are not thinking of "relative situation". They are thinking of some fantasy bullshit they saw on the cover of a memeified Time or Life magazine cover and thinking that if they were transplanted to yesteryear, they'd have a stay at home spouse, 2 cars, a huge home... None of those things would be true.

 

[Pens1566]

What were the top income tax rates back then?

91%

 

[Amused]

91%

Historically, there are only two ways a gilded age robber baron/oligarchy is ended. Guillotines or a 90% top tax bracket.

And the gilded/robber-baron/oligarchy class gets to choose... but choose wisely. You won't be able to fool the rubes with fake boogieman culture wars forever. Pretty soon they'll grow tired of cake.

 

[Pens1566]

Historically, there are only two ways a gilded age robber baron/oligarchy is ended. Guillotines or a 90% top tax bracket.

And the gilded/robber-baron/oligarchy class gets to choose... but choose wisely. You won't be able to fool the rubes with fake boogieman culture wars forever. Pretty soon they'll grow tired of cake.

What, you mean you're not buying the caravan/drone invasion/MS13/antifa/transgender attack we've been under for years now?

And as for the choices ... por que no los dos?

 

[Brainonska511]

91%

This is kind of misleading. The top rate was officially high, but there were many more uncapped loopholes for rich people to reduce their effective taxation rate. The only people who might have paid this high of a rate on income in that bracket might have been lottery winners.

But yes, there should be more tax brackets at the top, they should be higher, and current loopholes very rich people use to avoid taxes should be closed (eg, carried interest, limited partnerships, differential/preferred treatment of capital gains/dividends).

 

[Pens1566]

This is kind of misleading. The top rate was officially high, but there were many more uncapped loopholes for rich people to reduce their effective taxation rate. The only people who might have paid this high of a rate on income in that bracket might have been lottery winners.

But yes, there should be more tax brackets at the top, they should be higher, and current loopholes very rich people use to avoid taxes should be closed (eg, carried interest, limited partnerships, differential/preferred treatment of capital gains/dividends).

Which is always the case. And yet, it's still the correct answer to the question that was asked.

 

[Brainonska511]

Which is always the case. And yet, it's still the correct answer to the question that was asked.

Yes it is both correct and inaccurate. The only rates that really matter are effective rates, and they definitely weren't paying anywhere near 91%.

And there are always going to be assholes who try to push the rules: that's why we need enforcement and regulations to come down hard on those cases.

 

[Amused]

Yes it is both correct and inaccurate. The only rates that really matter are effective rates, and they definitely weren't paying anywhere near 91%.

And there are always going to be assholes who try to push the rules: that's why we need enforcement and regulations to come down hard on those cases.

Most of the loopholes were write-offs for spending. Encouraging the millionaire class to spend rather than horde INCLUDING EMPLOYEE WAGES. This is what gave us the incredible growth in the 50s and 60s and even 70s in ACTUAL wages and grew the worlds largest middle class. This is why wages stagnated precisely when the top tax bracket was dropped and write-offs eliminated.

Now much of the horded wealth is in the stock market... which explains its explosive growth since the 80s.