I came here expecting a marine to beat up 30 cops.
I am seriously dissapoint.
How big do you think it was by your account?
Well, I guess it should be used without any reason any time the police think 'hey, someone seems upset and just in case there's a chance they'll do anything, let's spray.'
Protesting peacefully as citizens are guaranteed the right to do is more than enough reason to justify using pepper spray on them. They're obviously agitated if they are protesting.
I see a military-looking icon you use. You're JUST the sort of person we need 'defending' the people, someone who can and will justify ANY use of ANY violence against any citizen for nothing.
First, you say it's justified for their trying to escape the barricade. Then when you are informed they didn't, you don't miss a beat continuing to support it making up a new reason.
It's pretty clear your position, you support the use of violence against them, unconditionally. Justifications are just something to make up as you go along.
You could probably watch a police officer say to the girls, 'I'm sick of you protesters', get his gun and shoot them and you'd say it was the protesters' fault for causing the stress.
It's an authoritarian mentality you show, the sort we do not need in our citizens.
Pepper spray was OK in that situation. Pepper spray does not equal violence. I would not have been ok with any type of beating in that situation. In my OPINION the pepper spray was an OK way to squash a situation that could have gotten a lot uglier really quick, that may have then required tazers, or more.
And your opinions on me are quite retarded. Because I justify the use of pepper spray you immediately say I am OK with shooting them. Yes that is a military insignia, I was in the Air Force. I actually did something productive for the country, what have you done? All you can do is post on a message board.
For the record I agree with the cause. However, I do believe that for every person that goes there with intention of having their voice heard, there are ten people who go there just to cause trouble. Those are the ones who ruin it for everyone else.
Next time you should really think before you type out your blanket statements about someone. Now go back to your protest... Oh wait, you won't even do that. You'll just type away on the message board. It's easy to defend the protest from your keyboard. How bout you go join in on the fun?
I have to disagree that pepper spray doesn't equal violence. Have you ever been pepper sprayed? When I qualified on it in the Navy we had to be sprayed ourselves first, and it was a pretty horrible experience. If I had to choose a punch in the face or being pepper sprayed, I'd take a punch, no questions asked.
Yes, I have been sprayed, both with the spray and foam. I have also been exposed to CS gas. And no it is not a form of violence.
Pepper spray was OK in that situation. Pepper spray does not equal violence.
Yes, I have been sprayed, both with the spray and foam. I have also been exposed to CS gas. And no it is not a form of violence.
Everyone who has been in the military has been CSed, pretty sure it's part of boot camp in every service.
All of those are forms of violence in my opinion. Just because you aren't hitting someone directly doesn't mean you aren't causing significant trauma to their body. In fact, in certain airway constricting scenarios pepper spray can be lethal. (the Army specifically noted the possibility of fatalities when it was studying its use)
I guess it's a matter of opinion, but military training specifically requires people to be sprayed before they use it to counteract the idea that pepper spray is no big deal.
Are you talking about Tony Balogna? NYPD found that he violated guidelines on pepper spray use and is being disciplined
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...iplined-over-occupy-wall-street-pepper-spray/
Edit:
Doesn't pepper spray have similar scoville units to the ghost chilli? I've seen those videos of people eating that chilli looking like they're going to die, it has to be 10000 times worse to have that shit in your eyes than in your mouth.
Just caught your edit. Guess I'm wrong then. Doesn't necessarily make the guy a piece of shit though. Like I said above, there are too many areas open for interpretation and too many gray areas. Those cops are probably under a shit load of stress and are probably becoming just as agitated the protestors as well. Yes, I know they are held to a higher standard, but they are still human, which means imperfect.
Can't believe the guys name is Tony Balogna, wtf.
Well, my edit was my question about how painful having pepper spray in your eyes is... i read pepper spray has a similar scovile level to the world's hottest chillis, and those are so painful, it's beyond comprehension. Having it in your EYES? I mean, i'd rather be punched than have to deal with that. I think using pepper spray on someone is the very definition of violence.
Edit2: No, he is a piece of shit.
It's easy for you to make that determination when you don't have to make the decision that he had to make. It's also easy to say that when you didn't see what went on previously in the video or throughout the day. A guy makes a bad judgement call and he's instantly a piece of shit.
Well, I guess it should be used without any reason any time the police think 'hey, someone seems upset and just in case there's a chance they'll do anything, let's spray.'
Protesting peacefully as citizens are guaranteed the right to do is more than enough reason to justify using pepper spray on them. They're obviously agitated if they are protesting.
I see a military-looking icon you use. You're JUST the sort of person we need 'defending' the people, someone who can and will justify ANY use of ANY violence against any citizen for nothing.
First, you say it's justified for their trying to escape the barricade. Then when you are informed they didn't, you don't miss a beat continuing to support it making up a new reason.
It's pretty clear your position, you support the use of violence against them, unconditionally. Justifications are just something to make up as you go along.
You could probably watch a police officer say to the girls, 'I'm sick of you protesters', get his gun and shoot them and you'd say it was the protesters' fault for causing the stress.
It's an authoritarian mentality you show, the sort we do not need in our citizens.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
QQ? Tea party was/us a bunch of pissed off neoconservatives and far-right fundie Christians. Is that really your benchmark for getting things done? Sarah Palin? Chrine O'Donnel... really?
Really Craig? Really? Ok, let's play that game:
And anyone that's had a taste of both will tell you a tazer is way, way more pleasant than OC spray. You're fine 5 minutes after being tazed. Your testicles are probably going to burn 8 hours later when you take a shower after being OC sprayed.
Of course that quote comes from a guy about to be court martialed...
If that was a regular protestor he would have gotten his ass beat for disobeying their orders. So yeah, they were scared shitless of him. Big black guy who happens to be a marine, someone's going to get hurt.