1 in 8 "Americans" recieve food stamps. Outrageous!

[Darwin333]

Yeah, you're right, nutritionists, biologists and everyone else who knows ANYTHING about nutrition is WRONG and you are right.

Rice contains ALL essential vitamins, minerals, amino acids and fatty acids, right? That is your argument?

I'm sorry, but when people don't even get the most basic things i'm going to have to assume that they are either very very young or very very stupid.

In your case, probably both.

Oh, you're right about one thing though, i am a liberal, a Liberal Democrat.

Once again the debate is about the extreme sides and not about common sense.

On one side we have a guy arguing that you can live off of rice alone.

On the other side we have a guy arguing that people can not live healthy off a diet of rice.

You are both right but what the fuck does that have to do with our current foodstamp program? It neither limits them to rice nor does it ensure a healthy diet. Matter of fact, its been argued rather well that it generally leads to a non-healthy diet. I have also brought up the potential long term harm that can come from too many social programs that literally give people incentive to remain on them instead of giving incentive to better yourself and your family.

Naw, lets argue about people living off of friggen rice instead... I am not sure if the populace mimics the politicians or if the politicians mimic the populace but either way no real progress will be made like this.

 

[sandorski]

wtf is a 15 pack of beer? a opened case?

No idea, that's just the way it looked to me. Must be American Metric or something.

 

[bfdd]

I'm not saying live off rice alone, I'm saying food isn't that expensive. You should be able to feed yourself decently for 500 bucks a year.

 

[nobodyknows]

Yeah... that's cheap buddy. You don't need a pound of meat a day to live. Mix it in with some rice or potatoes which are dirt cheap, some cabbage(7lbs for 99cents), etc. It's not that expensive bud. 3lbs of bananas 99 cents. I have the sales around me I just looked at the ads yesterday. Here's just ONE of the ads for local stores around me http://www.paylessfoods.com/weeklyads/v1_p1.htm there are others too with different sales etc.

You can't just use a one page ad with all their loss leaders on it. If you're going to live on $1.37 and want to use those prices then you'll have to afford a freezer and the electricity to store the food until you can eat it.

Potaotes here are bringing $2.25 for a five pound bag, that's what, 45 cents a pound here. We also have to pay a 6% sales tax on everything, food included.

That was a hell of a sale on those beef back ribs for 99 cents/lb. I wish we had those kinds of prices here.

So 1 chicken breast (with bone and ribs in it and a small potatoe for the whole day? Really? If you can live on that you don't do a lot of physical activity and you must be about 98 pounds wet.

 

[bfdd]

No idea, that's just the way it looked to me. Must be American Metric or something.

I thought it was weird too, but who am I to complain. 12 packs generally cost that much.

 

[sandorski]

I thought it was weird too, but who am I to complain. 12 packs generally cost that much.

12 Beer here is > $20.

 

[bfdd]

You can't just use a one page ad with all their loss leaders on it. If you're going to live on $1.37 and want to use those prices then you'll have to afford a freezer and the electricity to store the food until you can eat it.

Potaotes here are bringing $2.25 for a five pound bag, that's what, 45 cents a pound here. We also have to pay a 6% sales tax on everything, food included.

That was a hell of a sale on those beef back ribs for 99 cents/lb. I wish we had those kinds of prices here.

So 1 chicken breast (with bone and ribs in it and a small potatoe for the whole day? Really? If you can live on that you don't do a lot of physical activity and you must be about 98 pounds wet.

I'm not including anything but the cost of FOOD. This is how much you can spend on FOOD, not the things that you need to store food etc. Just the cost of FOOD. That ad has the bones in, there's another that has boneless and skinless for the same price.

 

[nobodyknows]

I'm not including anything but the cost of FOOD. This is how much you can spend on FOOD, not the things that you need to store food etc. Just the cost of FOOD. That ad has the bones in, there's another that has boneless and skinless for the same price.

But we all know it costs money to store it, clean it, prepare/cook it, and then clean the mess up. That's all part of the cost of food. It's not like I'm making you count the TP and water/sewer bill also.

 

[bfdd]

But we all know it costs money to store it, clean it, prepare/cook it, and then clean the mess up. That's all part of the cost of food. It's not like I'm making you count the TP and water/sewer bill also.

I'm not talking about how much it costs to LIVE, I'm talking about how much it costs for FOOD. Of course it costs more to LIVE, but if you can keep the cost of what you spend on food down, you have more money to spend on living.

 

[nobodyknows]

I'm not talking about how much it costs to LIVE, I'm talking about how much it costs for FOOD. Of course it costs more to LIVE, but if you can keep the cost of what you spend on food down, you have more money to spend on living.

So now your saying you are going to eat your rice, potatoes, and beans raw??? Bon appetit. You're just getting more an more riduculous the longer you talk.

Here's a 50 pound bag of rice for ~$70 for ya.

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Grain-Whi.../dp/B0007NKC80

A pint is a pound the world round so that'd be 100 cups. So 70 cents/cup. The Amazon link says " Long Grain White Rice contains only 103 calories per half-cup serving" so 2 cups would cost $1.40/day and provide you with a little over 400 calories.

 

[bfdd]

So now your saying you are going to eat your rice, potatoes, and beans raw??? Bon appetit. You're just getting more an more riduculous the longer you talk.

Here's a 50 pound bag of rice for ~$70 for ya.

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Grain-Whi.../dp/B0007NKC80

A pint is a pound the world round so that'd be 100 cups. So 70 cents/cup. The Amazon link says " Long Grain White Rice contains only 103 calories per half-cup serving" so 2 cups would cost $1.40/day and provide you with a little over 400 calories.

Costco 50lbs 18.99. I don't have a Costco card, but I know someone who does. You also don't know how rice works 1 cup of dried rice = 2 cups of cooked rice. I have pots and pans, those are cheap, I have a rice cooker, I have a fridge, these are all things that aren't going towards my COST OF FOOD. This argument hasn't been the cost of LIVING, but the cost of FOOD. Of course living costs more, I couldn't live on 500 a year, I do think however I could FEED MYSELF for 500 a year.

Just an fyi, 1 cup of rice weighs around 6 ounces(dry). 16 ounces in a pound 2 2/3rds cups of dry rice per pound. So lets just say you get 133 cups of dry rice from 50lbs, cooked that's 266 cups. So for your 70 bucks I can get 3 50 lb bags and that's easily 2 + cups of rice a day.

 

[nobodyknows]

Costco 50lbs 18.99. I don't have a Costco card, but I know someone who does. You also don't know how rice works 1 cup of dried rice = 2 cups of cooked rice. I have pots and pans, those are cheap, I have a rice cooker, I have a fridge, these are all things that aren't going towards my COST OF FOOD. This argument hasn't been the cost of LIVING, but the cost of FOOD. Of course living costs more, I couldn't live on 500 a year, I do think however I could FEED MYSELF for 500 a year.

The nearest Sams club is over 120 miles from me. Of course since you're only talking the cost of food that doesn't matter. Also, I still maintain you can't use a stores loss leader prices as their everyday price.

Can a person live on $500 for food a year? Theoritcally, maybe. If you were on a desert island and could only eat what they air dropped to you then possibly, otherwise HELL NO.

You couldn't do it but it's funny how you convince yourself you can just to justify the ridiculous premise of this thread.

 

[Special K]

The point is they didn't even need the credit back then. They were saving 5% of their income. People actually spend a lot less on "stuff" today. Far less on food, clothing, appliances etc. What they are spending far more on is housing, health care, child care (so mom and dad can work) and an additional car (for the same reason).

Think about your typical dink couple graduating from college in 2002: Probably at least $50,000 in the hole from tuition right off the bat. Now to buy a house in a safe neighborhood with good schools you'll need $80,000 up front to hit that magic 20% equity and avoid PMI. So they're $130,000 from their first home. But how do they save the money? Apartments aren't cheap, neither are the cars that they need to get to work.

Yeah, they can probably scrape and grind and hit that $130,000 in 15-20 years. To me, scraping by for a couple of decades so you can buy a house when you're almost 40 is not the American dream.

FWIW, I don't know any 24 year old that owns a house. I do have a couple of my friends under 30 who took advantage of condo prices that collapsed in the last year, but they never would have bought at the 2006-2007 levels. Most of my friends (late twenties to early thirties) live in apartments and are have little hope of being able to afford a house any time soon.

We had a discussion about this awhile back, although I can't find the thread right now because the search seems to be broken, but here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A

In the video, Elizabeth Warren goes through data that makes many of the same points you are making - the increased costs are due more to housing, health care, and child care rather than cars, clothes, appliances, and other things like that.

 

[umbrella39]

Another "Let them eat cake" asshat.

With BS comments like that, it's clear no one should feed this dipshit troll any longer. Added him to ignore list secondary to being a human POS.

 

[0marTheZealot]

lol, you obviously haven't a clue. I challenge people who's beliefs posted here are "emotional" and lack clear real world logic. But you can continue to wallow in your ignorance by claiming I don't know XYZ if you wish - I could not care less what you think about what I know. But yeah, you're right... I couldn't possibly have a logical train of thought...oh wait - I'm an automation Engineer that does logical flow/programming all day... yeah... clearly I'm just some uneducated emotional fool.

lol @ elitists...

Please, I have all the evidence I need from your posts and your behavior. You typically come into a thread, spout the same party line as any other Republican, dismiss any argument against your side and then never come back to the thread when contradictory facts point out your BS.

 

[nobodyknows]

With BS comments like that, it's clear no one should feed this dipshit troll any longer. Added him to ignore list secondary to being a human POS.

Like you're adding anything to the discussion?? Go fuck yourself asshat.

Edit: Oh yeah, you made MY ignore list dip shit.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Ya. Because a large percentage of the world population isn't able to live off only rice......

Typical liberal. Thinks that everyone is entitled to the hard work of others and use made up facts based on feelings to justify their reasoning.

You CAN live off only rice.

The fact of the matter is that this is just another social program designed to provide a voting base of those 47% of Americans who pay no federal income tax.

Just wait until the majority of the population gets a free ride. That should be fun for the rest of us who work hard every day.

You're a fucking idiot. The majority of the world has rice as a staple, yes, but they also supplant that rice with meat, beans, grains, legumes, vegetables, etc etc. No one survives long on a rice only diet, and in fact, there is a metabolic disease called beriberi that occurs when someone eats only rice.

So yea, shut the fuck up and let the adults handle this conversation.

 

[umbrella39]

Like you're adding anything to the discussion?? Go fuck yourself asshat.

I was speaking to the person you quoted who now resides on my ignore list, not you silly. Sometimes I still think we are on fusetalk which used to multiquote by default.

 

[nobodyknows]

Kill all your neighbors; make the voices go away.

This thread seems to be full of "them".

 

[Darwin333]

Like you're adding anything to the discussion?? Go fuck yourself asshat.

Edit: Oh yeah, you made MY ignore list dip shit.

LOL. Nice.

 

[bfdd]

You're a fucking idiot. The majority of the world has rice as a staple, yes, but they also supplant that rice with meat, beans, grains, legumes, vegetables, etc etc. No one survives long on a rice only diet, and in fact, there is a metabolic disease called beriberi that occurs when someone eats only rice.

So yea, shut the fuck up and let the adults handle this conversation.

You can get all those things rather cheap, it's not like they're expensive.

 

[0marTheZealot]

You can get all those things rather cheap, it's not like they're expensive.

True, but the point is that rice/ramen noodles is not the only thing you need to eat as argued by some posters here. It can be a staple, sure, but eating nothing but rice/noodles will kill you.

 

[bfdd]

True, but the point is that rice/ramen noodles is not the only thing you need to eat as argued by some posters here. It can be a staple, sure, but eating nothing but rice/noodles will kill you.

obviously, i never claimed you could get away with just eating rice or ramen, they just happen to be dirt fucking cheap and you can build up a base from there. hell potatoes are dirt cheap, if you were more fond of potatoes than rice or ramen you could use that as a base.

 

[nobodyknows]

obviously, i never claimed you could get away with just eating rice or ramen, they just happen to be dirt fucking cheap and you can build up a base from there. hell potatoes are dirt cheap, if you were more fond of potatoes than rice or ramen you could use that as a base.

So give us an example of what you would eat for a day for $1.37? Something in the 2000 to 2500 calorie range.

 

[Bowfinger]

Like you're adding anything to the discussion?? Go fuck yourself asshat.

I was speaking to the person you quoted who now resides on my ignore list, not you silly. Sometimes I still think we are on fusetalk which used to multiquote by default.

While discouraging nested quoting is great at times, it can also really screw the flow and coherency of discussion. See above, for example. Fortunately you can work around it if you really want to.