1 in 4 on Web Are Movie Pirates

[everman]

The movie industry is really hurting right now. Just look at the sales for last month.

 

[Ranger X]

This just in ...

1 in 4 in jail are butt pirates.

 

[PatboyX]

does the average person really go to the movies that much anyway?
i used to go when i was younger. but now even when its a movie i want to see i end up being too busy or what have you to go see it.
i think the summer is the only time when i see more than one movie every couple months in a theater.
and its been months since i rented anything.
generally speaking, its cheaper for me to buy a new dvd and then resell it then it is for me to rent a film.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: PatboyX
does the average person really go to the movies that much anyway?
i used to go when i was younger. but now even when its a movie i want to see i end up being too busy or what have you to go see it.
i think the summer is the only time when i see more than one movie every couple months in a theater.
and its been months since i rented anything.
generally speaking, its cheaper for me to buy a new dvd and then resell it then it is for me to rent a film.

I turn 30 tomorrow and see maybe 2-3 movies a year in the theater due to child care costs, time, lack of worthwhile titles, etc.

I probably download 5-6 movies a year as well.

 

[DaWhim]

I am a pirate, too!

 

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SampSon
Our clients always pay. We have very established relationships dating back 30 years. If they give us more hassle, we just tell our laywers. Never had a problem with non-payment. If they give us too much sh!t, we just report them to fannie mae or the AI, then their lending license comes into question. The clients have MUCH more to lose than we do with a $400 fee.

If anything is evil, it's the monopoly regal entertainment has over the industry. So if "what goes around comes around" the crap regal pulls and the bs movies they put out comes back to them by people stealing. Karma works both ways.

Well, good for you but Fannie and the AI doesn't issue lending licenses, your state does. And Fannie doesn't investigate trivials like an appraiser not getting paid, unless the loan was funded and they're buying it. As most non-payments occur because the appraiser purposefully low-balled and no loan could be funded (in other words, the appraiser stole, as they have no liability on a dead deal), I seriously doubt that is ever the case.

Back to the "what comes around goes around", the Regal monopoly occurred because of people like you. The theater chains competed to the point that they became unprofitable and imploded. Regal came out as the winner to pick up all the pieces.
The fact remains that you have no right to entertainment or the product of another's labor. Stealing is stealing, regardless of your personal opinion of who you are stealing from. I find it amusing how you would attack and try to shut down a non-paying client over a relatively small $400 fee, but think that it is alright for you to steal for yourself. May your hypocracy bite you in the ass.

Right, the state dept. Though, fannie mae will take away the ability of a bank to sell their loans on the secondary market, which is the MOST important thing in mortgaging. A federal lending license overrides a state license. AI DOES handle complaints and WILL investigate shady proceedings. The appraisal board and AI are directly in bed together, so don't tell me AI has nothing to do with it. A bank will get investigated if someone reports the bank pushing values or discussing things that should not be discussed between appraiser and client. Trust me, I've heard it all I work for a 40+ year old very large shop.

Again, I said we DONT ever have issues with non paying clients. If it came down to the LAST line of defence, we would bring them to court. Though after 40 years of dealing with the same clients, we NEVER have that issue. So stop being such a high and mighty dick about something you know nothing about. Though I'm sure you have plently of years under your belt as an appraiser right?

People like ME, what are people like me? Are you going to make the jackassed assumption that I'm defending pirating? Don't fall prey to these fallicies running through your head. Just because I say regal entertainment is evil doesn't directly imply that I pirate movies. People like me support the few local indie theaters that are still left. Thanks for trying to put that on my shoulders though, you shining moral warrior.

If I want to see a movie, I'll go pay to see it. If I don't want to see it, I'll either wait on it, or go to someones house who happened to dload it. If a movie isn't worth my time and money to go see it in the theather, 9 times out of 10 it's not worth my time to download it either.

That's fine, and the RIAA and MPAA do the same. So you have no right to whine if you get caught and sued and/or fined.

Funny, RIAA and MPAA are violating fair use laws everyday. I don't pirate movies so I don't really care.
Almost all of the music I listen to, is not under the RIAA's wing.
Let's not get into the ethical grey area.

 

[PoPPeR]

i do it and i have no regrets, william hung style

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: slag
BTW, amused , if you have never broken the law, EVER, then you have a right to speak. If you have broken the law, speeding on a street, littered, etc, then you are just as much a hypocrite as the rest of us are. The only difference is, I recognize what I do and am not making excuses while you choose to stand on a soapbox and preach while you stand there guilty of breaking the law just as the rest of us are.

It matters not what venue we are talking about, breaking the law is breaking the law.

Oh bullsh!t. Guess what, I do not steal the work products of others. This goes beyond law to morality. I do not do unto others that which I would not want done unto me.

 

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: slag
BTW, amused , if you have never broken the law, EVER, then you have a right to speak. If you have broken the law, speeding on a street, littered, etc, then you are just as much a hypocrite as the rest of us are. The only difference is, I recognize what I do and am not making excuses while you choose to stand on a soapbox and preach while you stand there guilty of breaking the law just as the rest of us are.

It matters not what venue we are talking about, breaking the law is breaking the law.

Oh bullsh!t. Guess what, I do not steal the work products of others. This goes beyond law to morality. I do not do unto others that which I would not want done unto me.

You can't produce anything worth stealing.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: slag
BTW, amused , if you have never broken the law, EVER, then you have a right to speak. If you have broken the law, speeding on a street, littered, etc, then you are just as much a hypocrite as the rest of us are. The only difference is, I recognize what I do and am not making excuses while you choose to stand on a soapbox and preach while you stand there guilty of breaking the law just as the rest of us are.

It matters not what venue we are talking about, breaking the law is breaking the law.

Oh bullsh!t. Guess what, I do not steal the work products of others. This goes beyond law to morality. I do not do unto others that which I would not want done unto me.

You can't produce anything worth stealing.

:::hangs head in shame::: I know

 

[PanzerIV]

We all know the MPAA and RIAA exaggerate their figures to suit their agenda and I feel this is an example of their b.s. They never seem to factor in market conditions, the economy, etc. only the bottom line regardless of how they arrived at it. In spite of what latest drivel their propaganda lobbyists are spewing, I have no pirated movies on my system that I downloaded from the net and I have a great broadband connection.
I think in some sense they are still more immune from the rampant sharing that goes on for music because of the huge file sizes even with broadband. Plus, the movies take up a hell of a lot of hard drive space unlike MP3s.

 

[UnoSigmaPi]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Shockwave


I'm not saying their aking money hand over fist, I'm simply saying why I dont go. I really dont care if there profit margins are paper thin or Titanic wide, fact is in my eyes its too expensive. But then again, when I go its at a minimum with my wife, sometimes with a kid as well. So, take that 8 dollar ticket, multiply it by 2, maybe 3. Then top it off with drinks and popcorn, and suddenly I'm out 20 to 30 bucks to go see a movie filled with inconsiderate giggling girls and boys that wanna run dialogue along with the movie. And thats what I get for 30 bucks? A noisy movie environment, a soda and a popcorn........ Well, thats a winning situation now isnt it

Ah, OK. On that I can agree.

And of course, the most important part... NO :beer:!!!! :Q (At the movies that is)

there is a movie theather here in MI that serves :beer: if your interested.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Vic
edit: Oh yeah, and pay for the fscking movie, you thieves. People labored hard to make it for you. Do YOU work for free? Are YOU willing to have people steal the product of YOUR efforts because they think they have some kind of right too? You have no right whatsoever to steal other people's work or to dictate to them what you think their work should cost. If you're not willing to pay, then you shouldn't see the movie.
<^>thieves<^>

Just so you know, most of the people who "labored hard to make it for you" get paid before the movie is even finished. The only people who *may* work for anything near free during production are the producers and they probably have back end deals where if the movie is successful they make a sh!tload of cash.

Even still, they are paid very well while on these productions and I'm sure piracy has only served as an excuse for the studios to clench their money even harder in order to stiff the crew. You'd be surprised how much some of these union guys get paid on studio films.

still, that doesn't justify sh*t. its like justifying stealing from walmart because their employees get paid anyways

The movie industry is really hurting right now. Just look at the sales for last month.

that doesn't justify anything either.
what those articles never point out are the flops they have to absorb for every "hit" that gets endless press.


as for those b*tching about the theaters. all the century theaters i've been to in the bay area are just fine. stadium seating big screens etc. some of the best are those dome theaters.. like at winchester. amc on the other hand.. ads and sh*t from what i remember. still, even a 106" screen isn't going to touch that big theater screen. at dvd resolution its not even comparable to boot

 

[Cheval]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
If porn is included, that number is low.

 

[Kenazo]

interesting stats, though that only means that 1.4% of the internet using population consumes less legit movies b/c of piracy. I'm not sure what fraction of the population actually has the ineternet, I'm guessing less than 1% of all of N.America actually watches less legitimate movies b/c of piracy.

 

[Freejack2]

People actually pirate that crap? I had a friend show me one once. The video was tilted, the sound was terrible and you could hear the person munching on their snacks.
I'd rather pay the $13 for me and the wife to see this stuff on a big screen with good picture and sound quality.

I'd assume DVD versions would be better but by that time you can rent it for $2. I really don't see what the MPAA has to worry about.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: slag
BTW, amused , if you have never broken the law, EVER, then you have a right to speak. If you have broken the law, speeding on a street, littered, etc, then you are just as much a hypocrite as the rest of us are. The only difference is, I recognize what I do and am not making excuses while you choose to stand on a soapbox and preach while you stand there guilty of breaking the law just as the rest of us are.

It matters not what venue we are talking about, breaking the law is breaking the law.

Oh bullsh!t. Guess what, I do not steal the work products of others. This goes beyond law to morality. I do not do unto others that which I would not want done unto me.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought your argument was one of a legal standpoint.

Until the movie industry gets a grip, pirates will thrive on their poor decision making and how they fleece America.

Ahoy

 

[v3rrv3]

Your friend must be teh suck at pirating. Here's an example of a good release(which I'd say there is for a good amount of the movies) Besides being a little light, the release they put out was very good. The sound was great, no coughing, I closed my eyes I would just assume I was watching a VHS movie as it was in stereo sound. Take into account it came out a day after it appeared in theaters....

Spidey

Edit: I suck at linking

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: slag
BINGO. I am in a field where my work is a service. I dont create anything other than environments and buildouts which I would freely give to anyone who asks.

I want to watch the movie, I dont want to watch the commercials or sit through the bullshit of high ticket prices and loud people. My recourse is to download and watch it at home until the time when it becomes available to watch it in higher quality on DTV (which i do purchase ppv's on).


I just bought a truck. I really wanted a 2004 nice brand new truck, but couldnt afford it, so I made the sacrifice and bought an older truck that needs minor work. Its all about sacrifices.

By your logic, if you wanted the new 2004 truck but didn't want to pay the high price, you should have stolen it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: slag

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: slag
BTW, amused , if you have never broken the law, EVER, then you have a right to speak. If you have broken the law, speeding on a street, littered, etc, then you are just as much a hypocrite as the rest of us are. The only difference is, I recognize what I do and am not making excuses while you choose to stand on a soapbox and preach while you stand there guilty of breaking the law just as the rest of us are.

It matters not what venue we are talking about, breaking the law is breaking the law.

Oh bullsh!t. Guess what, I do not steal the work products of others. This goes beyond law to morality. I do not do unto others that which I would not want done unto me.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought your argument was one of a legal standpoint.

Until the movie industry gets a grip, pirates will thrive on their poor decision making and how they fleece America.

Ahoy

More bullsh!t. You cannot "fleece"an unwilling person. Entertainment is NOT a necessity. You can do without it.

 

[Ketteringo]

Originally posted by: UnoSigmaPi

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Shockwave


I'm not saying their aking money hand over fist, I'm simply saying why I dont go. I really dont care if there profit margins are paper thin or Titanic wide, fact is in my eyes its too expensive. But then again, when I go its at a minimum with my wife, sometimes with a kid as well. So, take that 8 dollar ticket, multiply it by 2, maybe 3. Then top it off with drinks and popcorn, and suddenly I'm out 20 to 30 bucks to go see a movie filled with inconsiderate giggling girls and boys that wanna run dialogue along with the movie. And thats what I get for 30 bucks? A noisy movie environment, a soda and a popcorn........ Well, thats a winning situation now isnt it

Ah, OK. On that I can agree.

And of course, the most important part... NO :beer:!!!! :Q (At the movies that is)

there is a movie theather here in MI that serves :beer: if your interested.

Emagine entertainment in Novi does

 

[0roo0roo]

i also dont get the price b*tching. if your cheap, go to a matinee. its 6.50/6.75 in the bay area. don't stuff your face for 2 hours?

u can't do that?

aww

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Freejack2
People actually pirate that crap? I had a friend show me one once. The video was tilted, the sound was terrible and you could hear the person munching on their snacks.
I'd rather pay the $13 for me and the wife to see this stuff on a big screen with good picture and sound quality.

I'd assume DVD versions would be better but by that time you can rent it for $2. I really don't see what the MPAA has to worry about.

Some are better than others, but you generally want the DVD encoded in divx, rather than someone's camcorder recorded in divx. And paying to see it in the theatres, you'd hear the same snack-munching you described in the rip your friend showed you (and crying kids, giggling teens, cell phone conversations, etc.)

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: MrChad
I still enjoy going to theaters for the experience. I have a nice HT setup in my apartment, but the screen and sound still can't beat a nice theater (although some HTs trounce the theaters).

I don't download movies because I don't see the point. The video and sound quality are sh!t, and I can rent the DVD for $4. If I really like the movie, I'll buy it for $15 on release day. $15 to own a movie legitimately (with premium picture and sound) is not a lot of money, folks.

You obviously havent seen some of the high quality rips available online!

They have 7 GB uncompressed DVD rips online? I assumed most were re-encoded using divx, xvid or some other MPEG-4 derivative to conserve space.

A ~700mb divx-encoded DVD is virtually indistinguishable on a computer monitor from ~3 feet away. A TV has even lower resolution, and should look identical to the DVD.

BTW... HAAARRRRR Matey!!

 

[0roo0roo]

virtually with only 700mb depends on your standards...and equipment. i used to play around with encoding, and u really need 2cd atleast to do near dvd. still detail lost of course. and ofocurse trying to add an ac3 5.1 track at 300+mb just wipes everything out.

 

[Supahfreak]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
If that includes porn clips I would have to agree.

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FreAk