Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: blackangst1
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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Of course the so called ingredients for "Meth" which you listed are ingredients used to release the binding agents from pills that contain the valued and sought after amphetamines found in said pills. Again your view on not legalizing a drug like marijuana because of it's ingredients is off the mark when the facts are highlighted. Especially when it's compared to the ingredients used in other products commonly available to the average consumer today despite your attempts to dismiss this unavoidable fact. Also when you try to compare something like marijuana to the back woods chemistry used to make meth the hard way (using over the counter chemicals your average person can easily get a hold of) you actually point out the error in your own logic and viewpoint.
The list of "Meth's ingredients" you posted is a perfect example of how flawed our "War on drugs" has become. This so called "War on drugs" has not stopped anyone who wants to get high from getting high. This is especially true as drug dealers and drug users find new and more inventive ways to get high. All we are doing is making criminals out of drug addicts (of which they should be treated like patients who have a disease instead of criminals) and helping to sustain a drug based and funded sub-culture of thug criminals that prey on these addicts. We are continually clogging up our court systems and prisons without making a single dent in the demand or supply of drugs available today. The current status quo is not reducing government but instead is increasing it's power and scope over the tax payer as an increasingly larger percentage of our population is being incarcerated every year. You can back pedal and grasp at straws all you like but your point is very much flawed when the facts are presented.
P.S. Again our incarceration rate if it is truly head of other nations is not something to be proud of if we are the so called beacon of freedom, reason and logic in the world as the only super power.
Where did I *ever* "try to compare something like marijuana to the back woods chemistry used to make meth the hard way"? Dont put words in my mouth.
You did so when you listed the ingredients to rip the binders from the pills which contain amphetamines. You implied it as one of the so called reasons why not to legalize any drugs. Please don't backpedal.
In regard to weed only, I wouldnt have a problem per se of legalizing, but I I would rather see sentancing guidelines change. Either way it doesnt affect prison population significantly, as has been posted the number of incarcerations for weed only is tiny. Thats the kicker, is the legalize drugs crown always spouts off about incarceration for weed, when its really insignificant. But I never said anything about ingredients or even compared it to other class I or class II drugs. An apology for ripping me for doing so would be appropriate.
Nice flip flop attempt to try curb your original points.
You simply suck at comprehending, are witch hunting me and twisting my words (not to mention putting words in my mouth), or are just plain stupid. Lets reflect on my comments on weed, shall we?
My first comment about weed:
The biggest topic when this comes up is weed. OK so we decriminalizxe it. Now what? The money we save in our prison systems is now overshadowed by regulatory control and taxation. You kill one problem only to create another.
Which was followed by a few comments on the growing of the government to regulate it.
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My second comment on weed:
I sincerely doubt a large majority are for possesion for personal use of weed under a gram
To which I followed up with this post:
According to the most recent data, just 1.6 percent of the state inmate population were held for offenses involving marijuana only
Less than 1 percent (0.7 percent) of state prisoners were incarcerated with marijuana possession as the only charge
Only 0.3 percent of state prisoners convicted for possessing marijuana and no other crimes were first-time offenders.
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My next comment on weed:
Weed users dont engage in crime to support their "habit". (typo corrected)
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My next comment about weed:
And because the number is so insignificant, it really wouldnt put a dent in the statistics is all Im saying. As I previously put a post up for, 1.6% were held for offenses involving marijuana only , and only 0.7 percent were incarcerated with marijuana possession as the only charge.
Ohhh aaahhhh
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My next comment:
Lets say we legalize weed and make it a government regulated product. Are you saying the cost savings of not needing as many prison employees is greater than the cost of adding a new product to regulate? Are you kidding? Seeing how weed offences make up 1/2 - 1.6% of the prison population your cost saving will pretty much be negligable.
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My next comment:
People dont die from weed. They do from everything else though.
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My next comment:
Well, the government is NOT going to legalize nor will it sanction selling products legally that contain the ingrediants that these drugs contain. Period. And no, Im not talking about weed.
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My next comment:
Im not proposing expanding anything. There's nothing wrong with the laws we have on the books now. Sure, sentencing can be fucked up, but thats true of alot of crimes
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My next comment:
In regard to weed only, I wouldnt have a problem per se of legalizing, but I I would rather see sentancing guidelines change
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My next comment:
Im not poo-pooing the weed argument. I clearly stated a few times sentencing needs to be addressed. The country would make more money fining and not incarcerating than our current system.
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My next comment:
We can speculate all day long, the both of us. But in the end it's just that. Im not backing out of my argument, but rather seeing were at an impasse as to opinion. Thats fine. But neither one of knows for sure 1. if anything other than weed will be legalized anytime soon
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My position is, and always has been, ~personally~ I wouldnt legalize weed, but as a whole I dont have a problem with it. As supported by my comments.
Now what was your point again?
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