1 in 100 people are in jail.

[piasabird]

In a lot of other countries they put you in death camps, or just execute you. In the USA you are innocent until proven guilty, and we let you get out on bond a lot of the time if the crime is not too horrible. We are very lenient on criminals and some of these supposed prisons are little more than country clubs. Maybe the real problem is we are too lenient on criminals. In Saudia Arabia, they would give you 100 lashes or chop your head off a lot quicker.

This supposed factual information is just pure baloney.

We should just execute more people. It is a lot cheaper and it saves the state a lot of money.

Think about this. Every time liberals see a problem their solution is to pass more laws. The more laws we have the more people are put in jail. If you put less people in jail, you would not need as many lawyers. Too much litigation by liberal weenies.

 

[lupi]

Well it's a good thing we're burning down churches and trying to destroy the importance of the familiy unit. That really seems to be helping. Only 1 in 9 adult black males in jail, we can do better than that!

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic

Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
If only those damn people would quit stealing bicycles.........

Wow, 641,024 alone in the south, that's a lot of bicycles to impound. :beer:

You'd Think So...

:Q

 

[Obsoleet]

Prophetic words http://youtube.com/watch?v=4OvoJC2tQrE

 

[5to1baby1in5]

Originally posted by: lupi
Well it's a good thing we're burning down churches and trying to destroy the importance of the familiy unit. That really seems to be helping. Only 1 in 9 adult black males in jail, we can do better than that!

I found a website that lists the cost of the war in Iraq as $275 MM/day. That's ~100 billion/year.

With that money we could have afforded to incarcerate another 2% of the population.

Are there enough black males in the country to sustain this?

Edit: With economies of scale, we could probably afford to throw some white males in there too.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
LOL @ the "if we legalize drugs it will all be ok" comments

Love 'em

Do you argree, at least, that maybe we should "decriminalize" some drugs?
The criminal aspect of our drug laws drive people underground and into the hands of more dangerous criminals, when all they wanted to do was get high. :shocked:

They go into weed town on vacation and end up on probation.

It doesnt matter what I agree with or not. Its far too complex of an issue than to just say decriminalize and reduce prison population. The biggest topic when this comes up is weed. OK so we decriminalizxe it. Now what? The money we save in our prison systems is now overshadowed by regulatory control and taxation. You kill one problem only to create another.

And people hanging around in prison for petty drug crimes, when they could be out working, leading otherwise productive lives, is a better alternative? I hardly think so.

At the cost of yet another government program? At the cost of yet more government legislation?

Fuck that shit. I want the government to SHRINK.

so your answer to get government to shrink is to put more people in prison?

 

[CyberDuck]

Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5

Originally posted by: lupi
Well it's a good thing we're burning down churches and trying to destroy the importance of the familiy unit. That really seems to be helping. Only 1 in 9 adult black males in jail, we can do better than that!

I found a website that lists the cost of the war in Iraq as $275 MM/day. That's ~100 billion/year.

With that money we could have afforded to incarcerate another 2% of the population.

Are there enough black males in the country to sustain this?

Edit: With economies of scale, we could probably afford to throw some white males in there too.

You could probably earn back some of the money by pulling out those gold teeth and selling the hair as stuffing for pillows.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: piasabird
In a lot of other countries they put you in death camps, or just execute you. In the USA you are innocent until proven guilty, and we let you get out on bond a lot of the time if the crime is not too horrible. We are very lenient on criminals and some of these supposed prisons are little more than country clubs. Maybe the real problem is we are too lenient on criminals. In Saudia Arabia, they would give you 100 lashes or chop your head off a lot quicker.

This supposed factual information is just pure baloney.

We should just execute more people. It is a lot cheaper and it saves the state a lot of money.

Think about this. Every time liberals see a problem their solution is to pass more laws. The more laws we have the more people are put in jail. If you put less people in jail, you would not need as many lawyers. Too much litigation by liberal weenies.

the government has no business killing it's citizens for profit.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: piasabird
In a lot of other countries they put you in death camps, or just execute you. In the USA you are innocent until proven guilty, and we let you get out on bond a lot of the time if the crime is not too horrible. We are very lenient on criminals and some of these supposed prisons are little more than country clubs. Maybe the real problem is we are too lenient on criminals. In Saudia Arabia, they would give you 100 lashes or chop your head off a lot quicker.

This supposed factual information is just pure baloney.

We should just execute more people. It is a lot cheaper and it saves the state a lot of money.

Think about this. Every time liberals see a problem their solution is to pass more laws. The more laws we have the more people are put in jail. If you put less people in jail, you would not need as many lawyers. Too much litigation by liberal weenies.

the government has no business killing it's citizens for profit.

Exactly, thats McDonald's job

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What you see in America is America's mentality. It's all fucked up becasue we are.

We should pass a law against that!!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: piasabird

Think about this. Every time liberals see a problem their solution is to pass more laws. The more laws we have the more people are put in jail. If you put less people in jail, you would not need as many lawyers. Too much litigation by liberal weenies.

This is awesome. The whole 'tough on crime' as opposed to rehabilitation has been a hallmark of modern conservatism since.. well.. the 60's or 70's? You are able to twist things around in order to accuse the 'liberals' of making the numbers of people in prison higher though. Well done!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
LOL @ the "if we legalize drugs it will all be ok" comments

Love 'em

Do you argree, at least, that maybe we should "decriminalize" some drugs?
The criminal aspect of our drug laws drive people underground and into the hands of more dangerous criminals, when all they wanted to do was get high. :shocked:

They go into weed town on vacation and end up on probation.

It doesnt matter what I agree with or not. Its far too complex of an issue than to just say decriminalize and reduce prison population. The biggest topic when this comes up is weed. OK so we decriminalizxe it. Now what? The money we save in our prison systems is now overshadowed by regulatory control and taxation. You kill one problem only to create another.

And people hanging around in prison for petty drug crimes, when they could be out working, leading otherwise productive lives, is a better alternative? I hardly think so.

At the cost of yet another government program? At the cost of yet more government legislation?

Fuck that shit. I want the government to SHRINK.

So you want the government to shrink, but support the continuation of the failed drug war? Does not compute!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: piasabird
In a lot of other countries they put you in death camps, or just execute you. In the USA you are innocent until proven guilty, and we let you get out on bond a lot of the time if the crime is not too horrible. We are very lenient on criminals and some of these supposed prisons are little more than country clubs. Maybe the real problem is we are too lenient on criminals. In Saudia Arabia, they would give you 100 lashes or chop your head off a lot quicker.

This supposed factual information is just pure baloney.

We should just execute more people. It is a lot cheaper and it saves the state a lot of money.

Think about this. Every time liberals see a problem their solution is to pass more laws. The more laws we have the more people are put in jail. If you put less people in jail, you would not need as many lawyers. Too much litigation by liberal weenies.

First, there are only like 3,000 inmates on death row. That's only like 0.1% of the prison population. Killing them all at once wouldn't even put a dent in the total numbers.

Second, for all the evil liberal talk, I NEVER see conservatives actually doing anything to reduce the number of laws we have. Especially those laws most responsible for jailing that largest number of people who actually don't need to be jailed, namely the non-violent drug offenders that make up about half of the total prison population. So pardon me if I call BS on your last paragraph.

Third, I completely disagree that we are "lenient" with our criminal offenders. Innocent until proven guilty is an inherent right, guaranteed in the constitution. And there is nothing kindly about imprisoning people for years. In fact, I see that as the cruelest punishment possible. I don't know about you, but I personally would much rather be whipped or caned, and have it over and done with quickly, than to rot in prison for years and years. And these prisons, despite your BS, are anything BUT "country clubs." How about we lock you alone in a 6x9 room for 23 hours per day?

I honestly don't know how you can make a post like you did here, in which you display a sense of utter disrespect and indifference for the lowest members of society, and then can consider yourself to be a Christian (which BTW you bring up all the time). I am disgusted by your hypocrisy. Thoroughly.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi
Well it's a good thing we're burning down churches and trying to destroy the importance of the familiy unit. That really seems to be helping. Only 1 in 9 adult black males in jail, we can do better than that!

What????

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: piasabird

Think about this. Every time liberals see a problem their solution is to pass more laws. The more laws we have the more people are put in jail. If you put less people in jail, you would not need as many lawyers. Too much litigation by liberal weenies.

This is awesome. The whole 'tough on crime' as opposed to rehabilitation has been a hallmark of modern conservatism since.. well.. the 60's or 70's? You are able to twist things around in order to accuse the 'liberals' of making the numbers of people in prison higher though. Well done!

Not to mention how he conflates jail time for violating criminal laws with too much litigation..?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Meh. I refer to drug-related offences, blackangst1 counters with drug offences per se- 70% vs 50%. Addicts engage in crime to support the huge pricetag of addiction under our current system, accounting for the difference. Law enforcement creates price supports for illegal drugs, huge rewards for traffickers and their enablers, which includes anti drug politicians and law enforcement agencies themselves- confiscations in the name of the WoD are big money makers-

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1093c.asp

I'm for the legalization of all so-called recreational drugs, and for the diversion of funds so used into honest education programs and rehab. I said honest education programs for a reason, because much of what passes for it in this country is just fud in support of the system.

Yeh, it'd change the whole state of incarceration radically in this country, ruin the economies of Mexico and Colombia, also the careers of a lot of rightwing politicians and law enforcement PR types, reduce prison related job opportunities in a lot of small communities... Overall, not a bad deal for the rest of us, at all.

I dont disagree, in prinicple. When you say "recreational" drugs, what are you talking about? Lets take the big topic, weed. You mention how addicts engage in crime to support tthier habit. Would legalizing weed dissapate that? Probably not. Weed users dont engage in crime to suort their "habit". Another thing, if you legalize a drug that causes addicts to participate in crime to support their habit, the bottom line is the same-they cant afford it. The activities to GET the drug will remain, the only difference is where they buy it.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: piasabird
In a lot of other countries they put you in death camps, or just execute you. In the USA you are innocent until proven guilty, and we let you get out on bond a lot of the time if the crime is not too horrible. We are very lenient on criminals and some of these supposed prisons are little more than country clubs. Maybe the real problem is we are too lenient on criminals. In Saudia Arabia, they would give you 100 lashes or chop your head off a lot quicker.

This supposed factual information is just pure baloney.

We should just execute more people. It is a lot cheaper and it saves the state a lot of money.
Think about this. Every time liberals see a problem their solution is to pass more laws. The more laws we have the more people are put in jail. If you put less people in jail, you would not need as many lawyers. Too much litigation by liberal weenies.

Execution is more expensive than incarceration. Its another thread, but one thats been proven.

 

[Noobtastic]

Why don't we just amend/reform/axe the looney laws (drugs mostly)?

Our pain isn't sourced from death row. the cost to maintain those prisons pale in comparison the larger population..

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Why don't we just amend/reform/axe the looney laws (drugs mostly)?

Our pain isn't sourced from death row. the cost to maintain those prisons pale in comparison the larger population..

So I'll direct this at you from a previous post-You also have to remember of the percentage of drug related incarcerations, that also includes things like smuggling, hard drug trafficking and manufacture and such. Would you suggest all those offences should be legal? I sincerely doubt a large majority are for possesion for personal use of weed under a gram. (It's actually less than 1%) Ever taken a look at stats on meth and coke? Should the manufacture and use of those be legal also?

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Why don't we just amend/reform/axe the looney laws (drugs mostly)?

Our pain isn't sourced from death row. the cost to maintain those prisons pale in comparison the larger population..

So I'll direct this at you from a previous post-You also have to remember of the percentage of drug related incarcerations, that also includes things like smuggling, hard drug trafficking and manufacture and such.

Exactly.

Would you suggest all those offences should be legal?

Are you an idiot?

Those offenses exist because drugs are illegal.

Nothing would have to be smuggled if the US didn't arbitrarily ban drugs.

THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN VIOLENCE AND DRUGS.

amsterdam has a lower murder rate than the safest US city.


You have been fooled/

I sincerely doubt a large majority are for possesion for personal use of weed under a gram. (It's actually less than 1%) Ever taken a look at stats on meth and coke? Should the manufacture and use of those be legal also?

Yes, very much so.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Why don't we just amend/reform/axe the looney laws (drugs mostly)?

Our pain isn't sourced from death row. the cost to maintain those prisons pale in comparison the larger population..

So I'll direct this at you from a previous post-You also have to remember of the percentage of drug related incarcerations, that also includes things like smuggling, hard drug trafficking and manufacture and such.

Exactly.

Would you suggest all those offences should be legal?

Are you an idiot?

Those offenses exist because drugs are illegal.

Nothing would have to be smuggled if the US didn't arbitrarily ban drugs.

THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN VIOLENCE AND DRUGS.

amsterdam has a lower murder rate than the safest US city.


You have been fooled/

I sincerely doubt a large majority are for possesion for personal use of weed under a gram. (It's actually less than 1%) Ever taken a look at stats on meth and coke? Should the manufacture and use of those be legal also?

Yes, very much so.

uh...where did I mention violence?

Dont out words in my mouth.

 

[Craig234]

Most drug violence is related to the fact that drugs are a criminal activity to import and sell. Some drug violence is related to the fact that addicts sometimes are desperate for money for a fix.

Drug-related violence would be greatly reduced, but not entirely eliminated, with legalization.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Most drug violence is related to the fact that drugs are a criminal activity to import and sell. Some drug violence is related to the fact that addicts sometimes are desperate for money for a fix.

Drug-related violence would be greatly reduced, but not entirely eliminated, with legalization.

You cannot legislate behavior. As I've said before, alot of criminal behavior that actually directly affects innocent people is crimes like robbery, theft, and even murder. The reason these crimes take place is the person wanting to buy drugs has no money to buy them. It doesnt matter if the US Government sold it or Guido on the corner, they still wont have money.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Craig234
Most drug violence is related to the fact that drugs are a criminal activity to import and sell. Some drug violence is related to the fact that addicts sometimes are desperate for money for a fix.

Drug-related violence would be greatly reduced, but not entirely eliminated, with legalization.

You cannot legislate behavior. As I've said before, alot of criminal behavior that actually directly affects innocent people is crimes like robbery, theft, and even murder. The reason these crimes take place is the person wanting to buy drugs has no money to buy them. It doesnt matter if the US Government sold it or Guido on the corner, they still wont have money.

That's what I said, referring to the minority of crime unrelated to the criminal distribution of the drugs.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Craig234
Most drug violence is related to the fact that drugs are a criminal activity to import and sell. Some drug violence is related to the fact that addicts sometimes are desperate for money for a fix.

Drug-related violence would be greatly reduced, but not entirely eliminated, with legalization.

You cannot legislate behavior. As I've said before, alot of criminal behavior that actually directly affects innocent people is crimes like robbery, theft, and even murder. The reason these crimes take place is the person wanting to buy drugs has no money to buy them. It doesnt matter if the US Government sold it or Guido on the corner, they still wont have money.

That's what I said, referring to the minority of crime unrelated to the criminal distribution of the drugs.

K. And because the number is so insignificant, it really wouldnt put a dent in the statistics is all Im saying. As I previously put a post up for, 1.6% were held for offenses involving marijuana only , and only 0.7 percent were incarcerated with marijuana possession as the only charge.

Ohhh aaahhhh :roll: