1 Billion for Ukraine ?? I do not get it

[HOSED]

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-ukraine-us-aid-20140304,0,177084.story#axzz2xxsua1z3
I know this link is a bit dated but ... http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...ukraine-as-most-corrupt-in-europe-332965.html

Many Americans do not have jobs, people are losing their pensions, our infrastructure is crumbling, + the US govt debt is over 21 Trillion... This is insanity.

 

[theeedude]

It's more like $15B if you include IMF loans, which we are funding. And that's for starters.

 

[Incorruptible]

Doesn't make sense at all but that's what you get with obama. Just keep spending other peoples money.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Doesn't make sense at all but that's what you get with obama. Just keep spending other peoples money.

My bet is this would be happening no matter who is President.

404 Obama's fault not found

 

[mrjminer]

My bet is this would be happening no matter who is President.

404 Obama's fault not found

Of course, the person making the decision to do something is not responsible. It's someone else's fault, right? And since he's not responsible, he obviously has no ability, authority, or capability to fix it; that's just one of those job requirements that's just "there" and he shouldn't be held to the pesky irrationality of using the most powerful office on the planet to make good decisions.

I think it's a good thing we hold the President to the aforementioned standard. I wouldn't want the world thinking we had anything other than the best President ever.

North America #1 America

 

[postmortemIA]

My bet is this would be happening no matter who is President.

404 Obama's fault not found

404 logic not found... relationship with Russia was much better when Bush was president. Probably things would have played out differently.

 

[TerryMathews]

404 logic not found... relationship with Russia was much better when Bush was president. Probably things would have played out differently.

There shouldn't be doubt in anyone's mind that Bush would've forcefully repelled the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Crimea. He, Cheney,and Rummy were always spoiling for a fight.

MAD worked for 50 years for a reason, you know. "Pin prick" just doesn't have the same effect.

 

[norseamd]

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...#axzz2xxsua1z3 I know this link is a bit dated but ... http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...pe-332965.html Many Americans do not have jobs, people are losing their pensions, our infrastructure is crumbling, + the US govt debt is over 21 Trillion... This is insanity.

you are worrying about the wrong spending

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

There shouldn't be doubt in anyone's mind that Bush would've forcefully repelled the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Crimea. He, Cheney,and Rummy were always spoiling for a fight. MAD worked for 50 years for a reason, you know. "Pin prick" just doesn't have the same effect.

despite the fact that bush and cheney spent more than practicly any other president there are those that will never understand

 

[UglyCasanova]

So about $3.20 per person?

 

[cubby1223]

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-ukraine-us-aid-20140304,0,177084.story#axzz2xxsua1z3
I know this link is a bit dated but ... http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...ukraine-as-most-corrupt-in-europe-332965.html

Many Americans do not have jobs, people are losing their pensions, our infrastructure is crumbling, + the US govt debt is over 21 Trillion... This is insanity.

Take from the Chinese and give to the Ukrainians. Put on a show so China forgets that it is impossible for us to repay our debt...

Instead of the Chinese commies having the money, the Ukrainians have the money. Sounds like an all-around win to me!

 

[cubby1223]

There shouldn't be doubt in anyone's mind that Bush would've forcefully repelled the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Crimea. He, Cheney,and Rummy were always spoiling for a fight.

MAD worked for 50 years for a reason, you know. "Pin prick" just doesn't have the same effect.

Just like how Bush forcefully repelled Russia out of Georgia.

Coca-Cola isn't red just because of Southern Charm.

 

[zanejohnson]

teehee learn about how fractional reserve bankin9 works and it you can see why.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

There shouldn't be doubt in anyone's mind that Bush would've forcefully repelled the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Crimea. He, Cheney,and Rummy were always spoiling for a fight.

MAD worked for 50 years for a reason, you know. "Pin prick" just doesn't have the same effect.

Actually the person who best understood and could talk to the Russians on their level was Condoleezza Rice. I believe she was responsible for shaping the Bush administration's policy toward Russia. However that does not mean she was perfect or that she didn't make mistakes either.

 

[MongGrel]

Doesn't make sense at all but that's what you get with obama. Just keep spending other peoples money.

Obama has nothing to do with it really the US has been similar things for decades, if you think other wise you;re ignorant.

I guess we should have sent in troops instead of trying to prop em up like Dubya the *I want to be a war President* who ran that mandate into the ground and spent trillions of dollars or so on his buddies *Cheney* many others.

The US Government in general has been throwing so much money away like guys at a strip club throwing hundred dollar bills at hookers it's pathetic, for at least 40 years.

At least healthcare is trying to be fixed even though I don't need mind to be, but might reduce costs over all from what I've seen.

People usually don't like the truth, but WTH.






I'm sick of the amount of money thrown about myself, personally I think we shouldn't give anyone shit and focus internally and fix the US.

 

[Stewox]

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-ukraine-us-aid-20140304,0,177084.story#axzz2xxsua1z3
I know this link is a bit dated but ... http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...ukraine-as-most-corrupt-in-europe-332965.html

Many Americans do not have jobs, people are losing their pensions, our infrastructure is crumbling, + the US govt debt is over 21 Trillion... This is insanity.

American middle class doesn't control the US government.

The US government doesn't control the FED nor IMF either.

It's actually Goldman Sachs that pretty much controls much of the world. They don't care about your living standard, they don't care about your rights.
(and it most definitely goes higher than goldman sachs but that's a long story)

Oh and, the one of the biggest US debt holders is China, maybe you should go ask them, oh wait some of the China's officials are on the board of directors at Goldman Sach China branches, ... there we go.


UN/NATO the political and physical force of the international globalist banksters now control Ukraine and it's their terrirory, ofcourse illegaly gained, under the guise of "humanitarian help", and the Austerity is just basically a surrender of rights and a debt, making the ukrainians slaves, and we all know in this fiat "money out of thin air" system, the debts are nearly impossible to pay off, because the debt is always higher than the total amount of money in existance. All according the their plan, to encircle Russia.

Three countries which are not under Rothschild globalist bankster control (fractional reserve banking, fiat currency, money out of thin air) is Iran, North Korea and Russia.

In year 2000 there were 7 countries not under the globalist bankster control, and did not have private central banks, those were Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea.

In 2006, Putin paid-off the debts in a single sum to the globalist banksters and kicked them out. Those were the shadow government that still operate of most world's western and 1st world countries, including in united states and european union.

Russia is not part of the new world order now, they have secured the land that was always Russian, the Crimea, and their pipelines and ports, that's all, they have taken 10 percent while EU/NATO/US/UN or the NWO and their allies have taken 90% of Ukraine.

The corporate media is mostly propaganda trying to make you think thar Russia is so bad, while it's the westerners that triggered and fueled the protests because Ukraine did not want to join the EU. Who is the agressor ? Either you join politically or we do it by force.

The deal between Russia an Ukraine was purely economic and did not include that Russia would meddle in Ukraine's politics, while being part of EU is basically surrendering to a colonizing force and the country is merely an old name on the wall, borders get closed, military is taken over, politics, regulations, spans everything, and ofcourse, forces a crony capitalist central-bank money out of thin air driven financial system, enjoy.

EDIT1: TYPO .... borders get wide open

 

[code65536]

1 billion in loans. Not grants. The EU and IMF is providing much more. Remember all those loans given out during the bailout? We got most of them back. Now, if Ukraine goes bankrupt, we might lose that billion, but if things turn around, we'll get it back.

And you know what? 1 billion is a pittance. If it helps improve national security by checking Putin's dreams of reassembling the USSR, then that's a damn good bargain. How many hundreds of billions do we spend each year on the military? 1 billion to stabilize that part of the world is going to help our national security much more than 1 billion plowed into the Pentagon.

 

[Bitek]

Ukraine is billions in debt, and Gazprom (Russian national gas co) just raised gas rates to Ukr by 80%. Ironically because Rus canceled the agreement for subsidies in exchange for stationing the black fleet in Crimea, which they just stole.

If you don't understand Putin's strategy, it is to economically undermine Ukr to sow decent and revolt, and wait for Ukr to fall back into his arms and reward them with aid packages, all without firing a shot.

He's trying to show them that the West is a weak ally and won't materially help them, while Russia is a formidable enemy but a generous and powerful ally.

If you actually want the US to counter Russia, demonstrate we are a country that will protect its allies, and you do well by allying with us over Putin, then this is what you do.

If you want to demonstrate the US is weak, insular, and only offers words and not actions, then protest this. Putin is counting on short sighted cowards.

 

[brycejones]

American middle class doesn't control the US government.

The US government doesn't control the FED nor IMF either.

It's actually Goldman Sachs that pretty much controls much of the world. They don't care about your living standard, they don't care about your rights.
(and it most definitely goes higher than goldman sachs but that's a long story)

Oh and, the one of the biggest US debt holders is China, maybe you should go ask them, oh wait some of the China's officials are on the board of directors at Goldman Sach China branches, ... there we go.


UN/NATO the political and physical force of the international globalist banksters now control Ukraine and it's their terrirory, ofcourse illegaly gained, under the guise of "humanitarian help", and the Austerity is just basically a surrender of rights and a debt, making the ukrainians slaves, and we all know in this fiat "money out of thin air" system, the debts are nearly impossible to pay off, because the debt is always higher than the total amount of money in existance. All according the their plan, to encircle Russia.

Three countries which are not under Rothschild globalist bankster control (fractional reserve banking, fiat currency, money out of thin air) is Iran, North Korea and Russia.

In year 2000 there were 7 countries not under the globalist bankster control, and did not have private central banks, those were Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea.

In 2006, Putin paid-off the debts in a single sum to the globalist banksters and kicked them out. Those were the shadow government that still operate of most world's western and 1st world countries, including in united states and european union.

Russia is not part of the new world order now, they have secured the land that was always Russian, the Crimea, and their pipelines and ports, that's all, they have taken 10 percent while EU/NATO/US/UN or the NWO and their allies have taken 90% of Ukraine.

The corporate media is mostly propaganda trying to make you think thar Russia is so bad, while it's the westerners that triggered and fueled the protests because Ukraine did not want to join the EU. Who is the agressor ? Either you join politically or we do it by force.

The deal between Russia an Ukraine was purely economic and did not include that Russia would meddle in Ukraine's politics, while being part of EU is basically surrendering to a colonizing force and the country is merely an old name on the wall, borders get closed, military is taken over, politics, regulations, spans everything, and ofcourse, forces a crony capitalist central-bank money out of thin air driven financial system, enjoy.

Please share your drugs, that is obviously some good shit.

 

[Bitek]

Please share your drugs, that is obviously some good shit.

Maybe its part of his cover letter for a job at RT TV.

 

[fskimospy]

There shouldn't be doubt in anyone's mind that Bush would've forcefully repelled the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Crimea. He, Cheney,and Rummy were always spoiling for a fight.

MAD worked for 50 years for a reason, you know. "Pin prick" just doesn't have the same effect.

You mean like how they repelled the Russians from Georgia?

 

[mrjminer]

1 billion in loans. Not grants. The EU and IMF is providing much more. Remember all those loans given out during the bailout? We got most of them back. Now, if Ukraine goes bankrupt, we might lose that billion, but if things turn around, we'll get it back.

And you know what? 1 billion is a pittance. If it helps improve national security by checking Putin's dreams of reassembling the USSR, then that's a damn good bargain. How many hundreds of billions do we spend each year on the military? 1 billion to stabilize that part of the world is going to help our national security much more than 1 billion plowed into the Pentagon.

Purely by luck -- or corruption -- did that money get paid back. Nothing like the government overseeing a corporation that has rampant undisclosed recalls that magically come to light after the government cashes out. Nothing like known illegal manipulation of the stock markets just now getting dealt with, but ignored during the bailout payback period after it was already discovered (HFT).

One billion dollars IS a lot of money, but it ISN'T a lot of money only when you put it into the perspective of the irresponsible and, frankly, disgusting existing "budget." Would you "loan" one billion dollars to a country that is almost entirely dependent on "loans" whose bonds have been deep into the "junk" status for quite some time (it actually just got lowered even further yesterday or is about to... http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579481884035169064) currently putting zero, or nearly-zero, resistance to an occupying, generally hostile, communist country "annexing" parts of their country?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If you actually want the US to counter Russia, demonstrate we are a country that will protect its allies, and you do well by allying with us over Putin, then this is what you do.

If you want to demonstrate the US is weak, insular, and only offers words and not actions, then protest this. Putin is counting on short sighted cowards.

Exactly, this is one of the best ways to tell Russia to stuff it.

I still can't find where Obama is at fault for doing this and wouldn't find fault with any other President that chose to do the same thing.

 

[IGBT]

liberals are always exceedingly generous with your money / loan guarantees / grants. They can always raise your taxes to get more for more give away money / grants / loans.

 

[mrjminer]

Exactly, this is one of the best ways to tell Russia to stuff it.

I still can't find where Obama is at fault for doing this and wouldn't find fault with any other President that chose to do the same thing.

You could tell Russia to stuff it by investing in Ukrainian bonds.

 

[fskimospy]

You could tell Russia to stuff it by investing in Ukrainian bonds.

Investing in bonds is loaning Ukraine money.

Why would you complain about the US guaranteeing 3rd party loans to Ukraine due to your belief that they are not credit worthy but then suggest buying their bonds?