1 Billion for Ukraine ?? I do not get it

[mrjminer]

Investing in bonds is loaning Ukraine money.

Why would you complain about the US guaranteeing 3rd party loans to Ukraine due to your belief that they are not credit worthy but then suggest buying their bonds?

Ignorance as provocation? I think you should find a different person to pick an argument with

 

[fskimospy]

Ignorance as provocation? I think you should find a different person to pick an argument with

Nah, I'm fine with you. So what's the scoop?

 

[Fern]

Obama cannot be faulted for this. The Repub controlled House voted in favor of the aid package, as did a majority of the Senate.

This is bipartisan.

Fern

 

[shady28]

You should re-title this thread "16 Billion for Russia via Ukraine by Proxy??"...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/05/ukraine-crisis-gazprom-idUSL5N0MX04O20140405

"Russia has raised the price to $485 per 1,000 cubic metres, meaning Gazprom charges Kiev about the same as other customers in central Europe. Debt-ridden Ukraine, its economy in chaos, will soon get money from the International Monetary Fund under a new loan package."

In other words, Ukraine no longer has "favored trade" status with Russia (despite western Media making it sound like price gouging).

Guess where all that money is going.

 

[norseamd]

how much is 16 billion compared to what western banks work with?

this is as much about power as it is about money

so what is the imf doing in the country for the loans?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

My bet is this would be happening no matter who is President.

404 Obama's fault not found

Both the current Republicans and the Democrats have essentially the same economic and foreign policies -- they are Neo-Cons. So it wouldn't matter if the President were Obama or McCain or Bush.

Here's an interesting interview with Paul Craig Roberts where he basically claims that the U.S. was behind the protests that overthrew the Ukraine government (that did not want to join the EU).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOblgFwPUAY&feature=youtu.be

 

[WhipperSnapper]

liberals are always exceedingly generous with your money / loan guarantees / grants. They can always raise your taxes to get more for more give away money / grants / loans.

Let's not forget how exceedingly generous the Conservatives were with throwing money (and thousands of American lives) away on Iraq and Afghanistan. It was good for those members of the 1% that own the defense industries. To hear you tell it, the Republicans have no interest in promoting American hegemony.

 

[Stewox]

Both the current Republicans and the Democrats have essentially the same economic and foreign policies -- they are Neo-Cons. So it wouldn't matter if the President were Obama or McCain or Bush.

Here's an interesting interview with Paul Craig Roberts where he basically claims that the U.S. was behind the protests that overthrew the Ukraine government (that did not want to join the EU).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOblgFwPUAY&feature=youtu.be

Exactly, the IMF is a financial military force, it enslaves countries economically.


Well we usually call those republicans, "the bluebloods" or "the republican leadership" ... because it's not all of them, half of them do resist the corporates on average.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6uuAupT4AQ

 

[shady28]

Both the current Republicans and the Democrats have essentially the same economic and foreign policies -- they are Neo-Cons. So it wouldn't matter if the President were Obama or McCain or Bush.

Here's an interesting interview with Paul Craig Roberts where he basically claims that the U.S. was behind the protests that overthrew the Ukraine government (that did not want to join the EU).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOblgFwPUAY&feature=youtu.be

And I wonder what kind of spin is going to be made for this.

I mean, it's tit for tat right? If it's ok for one group of protestors to run out a demoncratically elected government, it should be ok for another group right?


http://www.voanews.com/content/pror...ent-buildings-in-eastern-ukraine/1887512.html


"Crowds of pro-Russia protesters have stormed government buildings in the eastern Ukrainian cities of Donetsk and Luhansk, waving Russian flags and calling for regional referendums on independence.

In Donetsk Sunday, a large group of people pushed into the regional government building, barricaded the doors, and hung a Russian flag from a window. Hundreds of protesters thronged in the city square below, cheering when those inside the building tossed a Ukrainan flag out the window. "


What's becoming most entertaining is how the west keeps looking greedy, capricious, arrogant, and inept.

The "doubling" of Ukraine's oil prices from Russia was merely normalizing their prices to what the rest of Europe pays. Given that Ukraine hasn't paid for ~2.2 Billion in gas they've consumed, ran out a pro-Russia elected gov't, and has (for the moment) decided to take economic / military aid from the west, I won't be surprised if this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Of course, we see "politically motivated" "Accusations" in western media, but when the US uses economy and trade as "economic tools" (which is to say - all the freaking time) no one makes it sound bad.

My guess is the citizens of Ukraine will soon realize the West can't and won't protect their economic or security interests. They'll be part of Russia inside 3 years - voluntarily, willingly.

 

[gevorg]

borrow from China, to give to Ukraine, that can pay off debt to Russia... LOL

 

[shortylickens]

They is needings the moneys

http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/full/ukraine-Russia-countries-europe-1102878.png