1.6Ghz PowerPC G5 is more powerful than 2.8GHz P4!?!?!

[mrgoblin]

Originally posted by: shady06
1350 is a rip off for that 2.8 computer

Seriously. For 1350 I could buy an fx mobo and 2 raid 0 raptors

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Snoop

Let your friend have his apple. Artsy people, stuck up people, and ignorant people like owning them. That's fine. Let them have it. Don't try to argue with them. It's impossible. Just let them have the crap. Enjoy the good stuff and live happy in the knowledge that you truly do have the vastly superior platform.

LOL, thats so funny. My boss falls into the 'ignorant' category, the guy has no clue about computers but insists on using a mac because the commercials convinced him they are the best
After using the thing for about a year, it realllllly astounds me to see people defend them, the thing (G4733? Imac) is an absolute piece of sheit, is slow as a dog, and cost him nearly 3500 dollars when you include new versions of software he had to buy to get OSX compliance. ( Photoshop didnt support osx untill the latest version , Sony die sublimation photo printer had to be dumped no osx drivers, every update or 'service pack' which they release every few months of osx 10.1>jaguar>panther)

How is Jaguar->Panther any different than Win2K->XP?

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: mrgoblin

Originally posted by: shady06
1350 is a rip off for that 2.8 computer

Seriously. For 1350 I could buy an fx mobo and 2 raid 0 raptors

hell if you had to buy it at best buy, hp and emachines sell athlon 643200s for around that now.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Just send him this this and tell him to shut up. Oh yeah, laugh insanely the whole time and tell him how stupid he is and that he needs to get over his inferiority complex.

If you send him that, don't forget to send him this.

 

[tmanndsu08]

The reason i choose that computer was it was the first one i saw and i just clicked on it.

Since you can't build macs (until this day comes, i'll never even consider a mac) i had to choose a retail PC to make the comparison.

And i choose to stay in the same store for consistancy.

 

[Overkast]

I hate these debates because everyone is always biased in their opinions. It's just constant mud-slinging all the time. Even that linked article (posted by Rogue) written about the holes in OSX is clearly written with a PC user's biased tone. It's virtually one step away from tabloid quality writing. We need articles written from a someone that is not taking sides... just clearly stating the technical facts.

Let's face it... no one ever seems to be able to approach this debate in a sophisticated manner. Everyone is childish with their name calling and biased accusations.

It's no better than racism in a way. A bunch of supremecists that hate anything but their own. It's pretty sickening.

We should all be thankful that we can even have a Mac vs. PC discussion. The very fact that Mac is around gives the end-user an alternative solution to computing. It's the law of the Yin and the Yang... every side has an opposite; AMD vs. Intel, Mac vs. Windows, NVIDIA vs. Radeon, LCD vs. Plasma or CRT, etc. etc.

Without Macs around, Windows would be a true monopoly. Thus, we would all be sheep in the herd.

 

[Overkast]

I agree with you tmanndsu08, the inability to buil a Mac yourself is a major problem. I see that as being one of their biggest potential roadblocks in the future... especially now that hardware quality is just getting better and better every day. Computer building is getting more and more popular.

Apple needs to open up their machines to the hardware market again (like back in the clone days). In a sense, Apple is it's own monopoly because of this propietary hardware issue.

 

[Trianon]

Originally posted by: addragyn
Mac bashing is so 1997. Go to any OSS convention, notice all the glowing apples. Same at security cons. Check out what the Perl core team is running. Real hackers have taken to OS X like flies to fruit. They have a
damn good 3d API and the video cards to take advantage of it.

There is some very simplistic irony in making generalizations about ignorance.

1. OS X made Apples much more useful due to the fact, that you can easily port many Unix programs, actually it is based on FreeBSD and Apple just dressed it up and wrote drivers for it's hardware( few of them work properly out of the box).
2. G5 is probably first CPU that can complete with x86 family CPUs in terms of performance, not counting results of bogus Apple synthetic benchmarks...
3. $$$ buys a lot more PC, than Apple
4. Those Mac video cards from ATI are hella expensive.
I used Jaguar on G3 iBook and sold the damn thing after 5 months, for what I do (EE), Mac is a cool toy, not a useful tool. So, in my not so humble opinion, Macs have their niche, but hardly are serious competition for PCs. Rivalry between Intel and AMD is much more intense.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress
Tell him to show you benchmarks of an Opteron\Athlon64 FX against a G5. That'll shut him up.

:evil:

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress
Tell him to show you benchmarks of an Opteron\Athlon64 FX against a G5. That'll shut him up.

:evil:

:beer:

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Trianon

2. G5 is probably first CPU that can complete with x86 family CPUs in terms of performance, not counting results of bogus Apple synthetic benchmarks...

Even that's not nessisarily true; IBM hit 300mhz with a shipping PPC chip(PPC 604, I think) before Intel hit 300mhz with the P2, so there have been worthy competitors before.

 

[Sunner]

Back in the days of PPC 604e's, the Macs actually held an advantage in FP performance., IIRC they went to around 120 MHz, competing with the original Pentium.

 

[Trianon]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Trianon

2. G5 is probably first CPU that can complete with x86 family CPUs in terms of performance, not counting results of bogus Apple synthetic benchmarks...

Even that's not nessisarily true; IBM hit 300mhz with a shipping PPC chip(PPC 604, I think) before Intel hit 300mhz with the P2, so there have been worthy competitors before.

I meant after 1997

 

[tmanndsu08]

Originally posted by: Overkast
I hate these debates because everyone is always biased in their opinions. It's just constant mud-slinging all the time. Even that linked article (posted by Rogue) written about the holes in OSX is clearly written with a PC user's biased tone. It's virtually one step away from tabloid quality writing. We need articles written from a someone that is not taking sides... just clearly stating the technical facts.

Let's face it... no one ever seems to be able to approach this debate in a sophisticated manner. Everyone is childish with their name calling and biased accusations.

It's no better than racism in a way. A bunch of supremecists that hate anything but their own. It's pretty sickening.

We should all be thankful that we can even have a Mac vs. PC discussion. The very fact that Mac is around gives the end-user an alternative solution to computing. It's the law of the Yin and the Yang... every side has an opposite; AMD vs. Intel, Mac vs. Windows, NVIDIA vs. Radeon, LCD vs. Plasma or CRT, etc. etc.

Without Macs around, Windows would be a true monopoly. Thus, we would all be sheep in the herd.

Linux?