1/3 of surveyed in the US think being christian is part of being American

[Ackmed]

Every country has some from others. No country is inclusive to their own. The fact is there are many "customs and values" in other countries that have nothing to do with America or being an American. Obviously that is what I am talking about. America was made from immigrants, so your statement is obvious. Since then, we have formed our own and solidified the ones we carried over. My point remains, that with the huge influx of immigrants, it stands to reason that they don't care about the customs and values that we have in place now.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Considering people who don't accept the divinity of Jesus as non-Christians is not a particularly novel viewpoint. It's literally the defining tenet of Christianity. Atreus21 agreed with me on this definition, by the way, so apparently he's a myopic liar as well, haha.

Regardless, to say that I was being deceptive by stating a position and then saying exactly why I held that position so that others could decide if they agreed with me or not is stupid and you know it. You've now lied about me repeatedly in this thread and I hope you're adult enough to apologize.



Again, you are a petty and dishonest man and you're embarrassing yourself with these unhinged rants.

Then that makes a majority of the self-identified Christians in the study either self-deceived or liars...got it. What color is the sky in your twisted alternative reality?

 

[nakedfrog]

Every country has some from others. No country is inclusive to their own. The fact is there are many "customs and values" in other countries that have nothing to do with America or being an American. Obviously that is what I am talking about. America was made from immigrants, so your statement is obvious. Since then, we have formed our own and solidified the ones we carried over. My point remains, that with the huge influx of immigrants, it stands to reason that they don't care about the customs and values that we have in place now.

I don't follow your line of reasoning here... because there's an increase in rate, it just "stands to reason" that they don't care about the customs/values?

 

[fskimospy]

Then that makes a majority of the self-identified Christians in the study either self-deceived or liars...got it. What color is the sky in your twisted alternative reality?

It doesn't make them self-deceived or liars in any way, it simply means they have a different definition of what a Christian is than I do or Atreus21 does. (and millions of other Americans I am sure) You can call yourself whatever you want but if you don't accept the thing that makes Christianity Christianity then I don't think you're a Christian. I mean I agree with the vast majority of teachings in the bible but I'm not a Christian because I don't believe in Jesus. Simple.

You might want to consider taking Vic's advice.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Citation needed for "millions who won't speak English".

Flying flags has nothing do to with assimilation since cultural pride and affiliation typically reaches several generations down. Should I knock on the door of my, very much American, neighbor who has an Italian flag and tell him he's an asshole for displaying it?

Having lived on the US/Mexico border I've seen it first hand so you go on with your delusional beliefs of assimilation.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Our customs and values are mostly almost exclusively imported from other countries...

Sorry, that needed a tweak

 

[nakedfrog]

Sorry, that needed a tweak

That's where I started, then decided to sugarcoat it. I hear it helps the medicine go down.

 

[K1052]

Having lived on the US/Mexico border I've seen it first hand so you go on with your delusional beliefs of assimilation.

Your inability to back up a non-trivial claim isn't my delusion.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It doesn't make them self-deceived or liars in any way, it simply means they have a different definition of what a Christian is than I do or Atreus21 does. (and millions of other Americans I am sure) You can call yourself whatever you want but if you don't accept the thing that makes Christianity Christianity then I don't think you're a Christian. I mean I agree with the vast majority of teachings in the bible but I'm not a Christian because I don't believe in Jesus. Simple.

You might want to consider taking Vic's advice.

And you might want to consider being less deceitful.

 

[fskimospy]

And you might want to consider being less deceitful.

Nothing I said in this thread was even the slightest bit deceitful, you're just too proud to admit you said something stupid.

Also, considering how many times you lied about what I said in this thread alone you're in no position to call anyone deceitful. Again, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Number one for me would be speak English. Trump really should finally make it the official language.

As to the Christan thing. It's fare to say a majority of Christians, more so then before came out and voted for Trump which helped him pull ahead. I also think that this country being largely Christan is why you see that stat. Is it any wonder though? The founding fathers and forefathers were Judeo Christian.

You are so ignorant of religion in Colonial America.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Nothing I said in this thread was even the slightest bit deceitful, you're just too proud to admit you said something stupid.

Also, considering how many times you lied about what I said in this thread alone you're in no position to call anyone deceitful. Again, you should be ashamed of yourself.

So now I'm the one that lied? ROFL. Your alternate reality is awesome!

 

[WHAMPOM]

You know part of our immigration laws states that the applicant must be fluent in English and implies that they should assimilate into our culture. Too many of them only come here to take advantage of the opportunities that our country offers but have no intentions of assimilating into it. English should be our official language and multilingual signage or paperwork should not be required for anything except international documents. If you don't like it you know where the exits are.

You do know "our" culture is nothing less then the melting pot our immigrant ancestors went into?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You are so ignorant of religion in Colonial America.

you honestly, and truthfully could have stopped that sentence after 'ignorant'

 

[WHAMPOM]

A fairly brief overview of the link I provided will quickly refute that. Here are only three:







Many founders were quite Christian, yet didn't want a theocracy. That seems clear enough, yet liberals seem unable to imagine that there can be such a distinction.

Liberals appear to see Christians the way conservatives appear to see Muslims.

You need to look up the Dark Age and a thousand years of Christian religious wars.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You know, all a conservative on this board would have to do is start posting polls of Muslims around the world showing a preference for Sharia law and the death penalty for apostasy, and leftists would call them Islamophobes.

Secondly, the charge of hypocrisy against Christians who voted for Trump is sheer nonsense. Christians didn't go looking around for the best candidate they could, finding Trump. They were presented with a madman like Trump versus a lying criminal like Hillary, and chose according to their options. Trump, if nothing else, gave at least lip service to the issues that Christians tend to care about. Hillary wrote them off as deplorables, arrogantly thinking she didn't need to appeal for their vote.

The rest of your post is just more inflammatory silliness against Christians.

Ah yes, hold that banner of victimhood high and proud.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Of the available options, Trump more closely aligned with Christians than Hillary did.

That just might be one of the most absurd claims that I've read in this forum.

 

[WHAMPOM]

you honestly, and truthfully could have stopped that sentence after 'ignorant'

Americans don't read their history and Christians don't read their Bible, they just cherry pick for what feeds their egos. Go to a Bible Study class and point out where the Bible contradicts over what they are studying and you will be kicked out.

 

[Puffnstuff]

You do know "our" culture is nothing less then the melting pot our immigrant ancestors went into?

We've got some laws too buddy that govern how the melting pot works that I'd like to see enforced. I hope Trump deports every single person who doesn't belong here.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

We've got some laws too buddy that govern how the melting pot works that I'd like to see enforced. I hope Trump deports every single person who doesn't belong here.

I think the native americans would have a very, very, very long list of people to kick out.

 

[woolfe9998]

A fairly brief overview of the link I provided will quickly refute that. Here are only three:







Many founders were quite Christian, yet didn't want a theocracy. That seems clear enough, yet liberals seem unable to imagine that there can be such a distinction.

Liberals appear to see Christians the way conservatives appear to see Muslims.

Your John Adams quote is not real. It's a sentence cobbled together from several phrases appearing in different sentences, all in one paragraph in a letter he wrote to Thomas Jefferson.

https://fakehistory.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/adams-and-the-general-principles-of-christianity/

Given that your first quote is a FAKE, I see no reason to bother with the rest of them.

 

[WHAMPOM]

And as I amended my earlier post to say, what I should've done is just omit the source as Homer did.

In other words, Homer's unsourced quotes lay open to the same charge as mine if one doesn't seize on the fact that I happened to link mine.



Forcing the funding of abortion with tax dollars, as happens with funding PP and the proposed revocation of the Hyde amendment. Forcing Christian-owned business and nuns to pay for abortifacients and birth control against their stated convictions. Forcing otherwise-accommodating Christian bakers to provide wedding cakes to gay weddings.

I know you're going to disagree with me man, but I've now spent nearly the entire morning arguing in this thread, and now have to go get my wife.

All I see in your post is that you think it OK to force people to follow some one else's religious' beliefs. I believe in free choice, why don't you?

 

[WHAMPOM]

After reading through this thread, I am reminded of the joke about the two Baptists meeting on a bridge. One attempts to do his Christian duty and talk the suicidal one off the bridge. They talk and discover the share a religion. After finding ten sets of similarity in their sects they hit a difference. One shouts "HERITIC" and shoves the other off the bridge.

 

[agent00f]

And as I amended my earlier post to say, what I should've done is just omit the source as Homer did.

In other words, Homer's unsourced quotes lay open to the same charge as mine if one doesn't seize on the fact that I happened to link mine.



Forcing the funding of abortion with tax dollars, as happens with funding PP and the proposed revocation of the Hyde amendment. Forcing Christian-owned business and nuns to pay for abortifacients and birth control against their stated convictions. Forcing otherwise-accommodating Christian bakers to provide wedding cakes to gay weddings.

I know you're going to disagree with me man, but I've now spent nearly the entire morning arguing in this thread, and now have to go get my wife.

Just a heads up there are laws against discrimination towards vulnerable minorities, created exactly because of those type of "Christians" & friends.

Just because they're offended that their religious doctrine isn't law of the land doesn't mean they're the Real victims.

 

[soundforbjt]

Link?

Jefferson and his slaves?