Since this bbs is full of so many different ethnicities.... i believe no matter what kind of car this would have been.... fanboys would have come out... thus causeing a a funny thread....
AgaBoogaBoo
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It is quite typical for the rice-mobile fanboys to quote sources like JD Powers, then in the very next reply, dismiss them because they don't like what they say... :roll:
When you don't hear or barely hear the engine when you stomp the pedal on the avalon, it's probably good insulation.
Avalon is the higher end toyota when it comes to their models.
Looks like one person likes JD Powers while another person does not... don't lump them together into one person and call that new being you invented a hypocrite....
Jackass!
Heh, speaking of torque what's funny is that our 99 Maxima makes more torque at ~2500rpm than our 99 Camry 4-cyl will ever make.
That 3L VQ makes 80% of its torque at around 2000-2500RPM.
What you need Ornery is a mid 90s Lexus LS400. Affordable, dependable, not a lot of gizmos (compartively anyway).
Hell I need one too.
That 3L VQ makes 80% of its torque at around 2000-2500RPM.
What you need Ornery is a mid 90s Lexus LS400. Affordable, dependable, not a lot of gizmos (compartively anyway).
Hell I need one too.
I'm with Ornery. My parents have a Mercury Marquee with a big v8 in it, and I'll tell you that it is the most comfortable, enjoyable vehicle to get from point a to b in.
I wish I could afford a big landship. And I'm only 22! I guess I long for the 60's and 70's when every kid drove a car that would effortlessly fly down the highway at 75 (55 at the time
) like it was on it's own cloud.
I wish I could afford a big landship. And I'm only 22! I guess I long for the 60's and 70's when every kid drove a car that would effortlessly fly down the highway at 75 (55 at the time
) like it was on it's own cloud.
Nebor
Lifer
- Jun 24, 2003
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Originally posted by: randal
I'm with Ornery. My parents have a Mercury Marquee with a big v8 in it, and I'll tell you that it is the most comfortable, enjoyable vehicle to get from point a to b in.
I wish I could afford a big landship. And I'm only 22! I guess I long for the 60's and 70's when every kid drove a car that would effortlessly fly down the highway at 75 (55 at the time
Sure, a Mercury Marquee is comfortable, but it's by no means an enjoyable vehicle to drive. And it doesn't have a big v8. It's a mid sized v8, with poor performance. And sure, it's not hard to build a car that can fly down a highway at 75mph, and make every bump dissappear. Like it's on it's on cloud! But what happens when there's something in the way? You smack into it, because your land boat handles like it's got springs of jelly and shocks of marshmallow.
Got any links, lugnut? Consumerguide and Edmunds disagree with you. As do your local patrolmen and corporate fleet and leasing services. Lot's of people are getting tired of unibody, FWD, one lung go-karts. That's why SUVs and trucks proliferate today. Yep, #1 selling vehicle in the country is the Ford F-150. Has been for twenty years! People are sick to death of your eensie, cramped econoboxes and "sport compacts". Not to mention the ones who meet an early death due to these eensie, cramped econo-coffins!
"...if you have any good links to resources I'd appreciate it."
I thoroughly enjoyed collecting these:
1999 Ford Crown Victoria - Review by RON DRYSDALE
What you need Ornery is a mid 90s Lexus LS400.
VERY nice car, but in the bang for the buck challenge, it loses to big Fords because of the initial cost. I have a feeling replacement parts are going to be extravagant too, but that high initial cost would be the deal killer for me.
"...if you have any good links to resources I'd appreciate it."
I thoroughly enjoyed collecting these:
1999 Ford Crown Victoria - Review by RON DRYSDALE
- "...Accelerate with great enthusiasm until the car is sort of slingshot-spit out onto southbound 59. Such antics are more typically undertaken in something like a Porsche, but they also provided my most edifying moment in the surprisingly-athletic Crown Victoria that I was driving that day. Simply put, the car remained flat and cornered like it was on rails."
- "...the Crown Vic is becoming one of America's favorite cop cars. Police say the Vic is roomy, durable and easy to handle."
"You can do just about anything with it, and it doesn't get away from you." said Noreen Sorg, Los Altos crime prevention officer.
"Ford made changes in the Vic this year by redesigning the rear suspension for better stability and adding larger shock absorbers to reduce the body roll in hard cornering. Police requests influenced Ford to make the changes.
Ford has improved its brakes and power steering, and there is a firmer feel to the quality of the ride than the Fords I have driven in past years. This enhances the sense of control without compromising the cushy ride quality that is part of the Vic's appeal."
"...It has a number of luxury options that other cars in the class have, but Ford seems to have a better product with a quiet operation, outstanding safety features, smooth ride, decent power and that big-car feel."
- "...Steering is top notch, and though just a tad light, provides good road feel against moderate with smooth damping."
"The steering is impressive for its positive feel. Given its size, the Ford could be expected to be difficult to corral but the nicely modulated steering makes for sure feeling reflexes and wonderful touch."
- "America should never have given up on the full-size V8 powered sedan. Say what you will about these barges, but there's something to be said for the smooth ride and raw power offered up by the big Ford."
- "...Crown Victoria?s smooth, comfortable ride begins with its rear-wheel drive and durable body-on-frame construction, contributing to Crown Victoria?s excellent towing ability."
"The speed-sensitive variable-assist power steering varies the amount of steering assist based on the vehicle?s speed to provide excellent road feel. "
- " I must be getting old, because I'm surprised at how much I enjoyed my time in the Ford Crown Victoria."
"The Crown Vic certainly delivers in the competence category. Thousands of police departments and taxi companies can't be wrong. Let's give the Ford Crown Victoria four stars on our one to five scale."
What you need Ornery is a mid 90s Lexus LS400.
VERY nice car, but in the bang for the buck challenge, it loses to big Fords because of the initial cost. I have a feeling replacement parts are going to be extravagant too, but that high initial cost would be the deal killer for me.
Consumer Reports and JD are a joke. Anyone that takes a grain of their published information seriously needs to re-think their research strategies from the beginning.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Ornery, now show us some links from some reputable sources. the Los Altos Town Crier is not going to decide for me which car to buy. And at least two of your other sources tried to install spyware on my computer.
As I recall these are the same BS reviews you showed us in another thread.
And Edmunds aren't car guys as far as I'm concerned.
Hell, I could probably find a couple websites touting the AMC Pacer if you want.
--->98 Maxima with 82,000 miles on it. Not a single thing has broken on it - I put filters, pads and tires on it. Not even a tune-up yet - though the only thing to replace is the spark plugs. And I'm pretty certain I could blow any Crown Vic off the road in the handling, braking and acceleration dept - and I get better gas mileage doing it. It also has plenty of room for my 6'5" frame.
The Crown Vic is a dinosaur.
As I recall these are the same BS reviews you showed us in another thread.
And Edmunds aren't car guys as far as I'm concerned.
Hell, I could probably find a couple websites touting the AMC Pacer if you want.
--->98 Maxima with 82,000 miles on it. Not a single thing has broken on it - I put filters, pads and tires on it. Not even a tune-up yet - though the only thing to replace is the spark plugs. And I'm pretty certain I could blow any Crown Vic off the road in the handling, braking and acceleration dept - and I get better gas mileage doing it. It also has plenty of room for my 6'5" frame.
The Crown Vic is a dinosaur.
You two supplied ZERO links to ANYTHING refutting what I've proved, or backing up your POV that full framed, V8, RWD domestics suck. IOW, your opinions aren't worth shlt to me!
Getting testy are we?
You haven't provided any links either. At least nothing of consequence.
To back up my claims, just go look at the statistics. Not customer surveys, not opinions - numbers. Toyota sells more cars than any of the Big Three. They cleared more profits than the Big Three combined two years ago. The only thing the Big Three can sell is trucks. The Nissan Titan ranks right up there with the F150 (probably more reliable, that remains to be seen) - but if the Japanese start building heavier trucks then Ford and the rest could be in trouble. It will be hard to get past the "bubba" factor though - that's why Toyota has entered Craftsman Truck racing.
As for opinions? You provided a bunch of links with opinions. And your own opininon from working on two cars. We'll my opinion comes from working in the auto auction industry for the past 18 years. I see them all - all years, makes, models. In quantity - hell, we've had up to 20,000 cars on our property from time to time. Mostly cars under 10 years old though. So I get to see what breaks down fast, and how often - trends. I also see what kinds of cars are a PITA to fix, and Fords are right up there I can assure you.
The reason your car is cheaper is because if Ford didn't make it cheaper then they wouldn't sell any of them. Unfortunately most people end up making up the difference later on in repairs (don't tell me about your experience, I can tell you it's not the same for most people).
For me, there's more to an automobile.
Also, the only reason Crown Vics are still around are for service vehicles (cops, taxis etc) or rental cars. That's the ONLY reason, I promise you. And that's because they're roomy and cheap. Actually Ford mentioned something recently about discontinuing sales to the public.
...a nicely documented history...
Documented where, and by whom? Exactly what source is credible around here?
Documented where, and by whom? Exactly what source is credible around here?
Yet another post with no links to anything. Are they that hard to come by?
wtf do you need me to prove? uhh, here is the Consumer Reports web site...
Anyway, I like them because they're a nonprofit organization. They don't sell ads, so there's no chance of a car company buying their high ratings. C&D and R&T have both been accused of doing shady things like this. Also, the cars Consumer Reports reviews are actually bought from dealerships as new cars. They're certainly not getting cherry-picked manufacturer chosen vehicles. This levels the playing field for everyone.
Since you're obviously 16 and just got your driver's license, I'll break it down for you.
Generally speaking:
Domestic: American cars, Ford, Chevy, etc
Import: Japanese cars, Toyota, Honda, Nissan
Euro: VW, MB, BMW
Exotic: Lambo, Ferrari, etc.
I thought you surely were being sarcastic. I HATE Consumer Reports. I don't have any beef with what they do test, but what they fail to test in their reports, and they gloss over everything too quickly. Putting extra emphasis on unimportant details, and ignoring major flaws. This is just my opinion, and why I pay little, if any attention to their magazine or articles.
mrSHEiK124
Lifer
- Mar 6, 2004
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Just because the POS you drive around is as big as an Abram's tank doesn't mean it's reliable, and not everyone wants to drive a car that big around either.
crap, I just realized this thread is a month old
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