'05 Ford Mustang GT's have Defective engines!!!...

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Wanescotting
HA! My sister warned me about buying an 05 mustang(she told me that mustangs seem to have problems when they roll out a new model)

gee, kinda like any new model car from any manufacturer?
:roll:

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: CFster
Was it coincidence that both of your links pointed to foreign cars? That's called backed up rebuttal.

In any event, all domestics are the same - poor design, and crappy build quality.

Skoorb says JD Powers is the authority on that subject...

Yeah, we've been down this road before. Since a message board is one whole "IMHO", I'll offer up mine right now.

A lot of domestic car buyers are very brand loyal and simply don't know any better. They think it's perfectly normal for their cars to go into the dealer for repairs several times a year, and think all cars are the same way. When and if they do move over to a more reliable foreign built car they usually never go back for obvious reasons.

This is why I don't hold faith in customer surveys. Most people simply don't have experience with enough different brands to know any better. It's the same Oldsmobile my father used to drive so it must be a good car, right?

Then there's the whole buy American thing - especially in this day and age. That's fine, and I'm proud to be an American, but there comes a point when you have to realize what a crappy product is. It's not the fault of the American worker, as the Japanese imports are largely built in this country as well. It's the cheap ass Big Three that is trying to save some bucks by cutting corners.

I won't go into why I think I'm qualified to make statements about reliability here (I'm tired of typing it over and over), if you really want to know, then search my previous posts. Suffice it to say, that instead of reading reviews in magazines, I get first hand experience driving and fixing many more vehicles than most of the posters here.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Wanescotting
HA! My sister warned me about buying an 05 mustang(she told me that mustangs seem to have problems when they roll out a new model)

gee, kinda like any new model car from any manufacturer?
:roll:

Debatable.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Interestingly, I think we both may be right. The internet seems 50/50 split between calling it R35 and V35. I can't read Nissan's Jap website, but I've tried. The concept shown at the Tokyo Motor Show seems to be referred to as the V35, while the production vehicle is R35. It's still ugly as goatballs, and it definitely LOOKS like a 350Z that a 3 year old took crayons to the blueprints for.

Uhh, I don't know where you heard the current Skyline being called the R35, but it's wrong. It's the V35, not the R35 because it's using a VQ engine instead of an RB engine.

The Skyline line is also totally missing on the Japanese website's lineup page. Perhaps they don't want to talk about it?

WTF are you talking about?

Also, the "production" photos of the GT-R are IDENTICAL to the non-GT-R coupe. Of course, the concept photos looked the same, with the exception of the taillights, which were off a R34 instead of a G35.

The car isn't in production. If you want to know what it looks like, wait until 2007....

Edit: And when did I say I was talking about the GT-R model, anyway?

Because the GT-R is the only Skyline worth mentioning and it happens to be the one that ricers like you drool over. Also, you ricers don't realize that the GT-R has not always been tied to the Skyline name.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
It's better they find and then fix, rather than just letting you mugs deal with a lower output motor...

[COUGH]MAZDARX-8AUTO[/COUGH]
Viper GTS

[COUGH]MAZDABUILTFORDTOUGH[/COUGH]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Elightenment. I require it.

Dyno testing enthusiasts were pissed when the auto RX8 only put down ~197 instead of the factory claimed 240.

If you mean WHP, it shouldn't be anywhere close to 197 WHP. Hell mazda rates the auto at 197 crank. I don't think an auto RX-8 can break out of the 140 WHP range on a dynojet.

Those auto RX8s are a travesty in themselves. Less HP at the crank, auto trans sucks up more power than manual, and auto trans 2 gears short of manual. I wouldn't surprise me if the auto RX8 could barely break out of 17s at the 1/4 mile track.

 

[Babbles]

What I find interesting is that I firmly believe that if this was Toyota and not Ford in the news, all of the Toyota fanboys would be out en masse claiming that this is a perfect example of Toyota fixing the problem before it reached the consumer.
However the fact that it is a domestic car company so many fanboys are quick to talk crap about it.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Babbles
What I find interesting is that I firmly believe that if this was Toyota and not Ford in the news, all of the Toyota fanboys would be out en masse claiming that this is a perfect example of Toyota fixing the problem before it reached the consumer.
However the fact that it is a domestic car company so many fanboys are quick to talk crap about it.

That's just because there's so much to talk about.

 

[halik]

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[rh71]

what it comes down to for me is... if I'm spending thousands upon thousands of my hard-earned dollars, I'm leaning toward reputation. This is especially because nobody can predict how a specific vehicle will do even 2-5 years down the road. It is commonly agreed that "jap crap" is better than American made. I would "buy American" for things that don't require thousands upon thousands of my hard-earned dollars.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Wanescotting
HA! My sister warned me about buying an 05 mustang(she told me that mustangs seem to have problems when they roll out a new model)

gee, kinda like any new model car from any manufacturer?
:roll:

Debatable.

debatable, yes. But IMHO more often true than not.

 

[Ornery]

...if I'm spending thousands upon thousands of my hard-earned dollars...

That's EXACTLY why I buy full sized, full framed, RWD, V8 FORDS. My in-laws own a wondrous Avalon of the same vintage of my wife's Ford. I've done work on both and can say from that first hand experience... BFD to Japanese quality! :roll: Their car is now due for a timing belt replacement, which my wife's car will NEVER require. My wife's car is roomier all around, quieter, and has better acceleration. When Japan releases a car of that caliber, in that price range, I'll buy it! Until then, I'll keep buying the best bang for the buck, FULL SIZED, lowest repair cost vehicles I can get my hands on.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Ornery
...if I'm spending thousands upon thousands of my hard-earned dollars...

That's EXACTLY why I buy full sized, full framed, RWD, V8 FORDS. My in-laws own a wondrous Avalon of the same vintage of my wife's Ford. I've done work on both and can say from that first hand experience... BFD to Japanese quality! :roll: Their car is now due for a timing belt replacement, which my wife's car will NEVER require. My wife's car is roomier all around, quieter, and has better acceleration. When Japan releases a car of that caliber, in that price range, I'll buy it! Until then, I'll keep buying the best bang for the buck, FULL SIZED, lowest repair cost vehicles I can get my hands on.

Heh, you talk about timing belts like they only come on japanese cars.

Sorry but mine doesn't have one.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: halik
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[Ornery]

Originally posted by: OS

Heh, you talk about timing belts like they only come on japanese cars.

Sorry but mine doesn't have one.

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about a car I've had my hands on, that is in DIRECT sales competition with my wife's "domestic".

I'll bet yours also doesn't have any room or low RPM torque.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: OS

Heh, you talk about timing belts like they only come on japanese cars.

Sorry but mine doesn't have one.

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about a car I've had my hands on, that is in DIRECT sales competition with my wife's "domestic".

I'll bet yours also doesn't have any room or low RPM torque.

I don't know if my car is as big as a mid 90s crown vic or whatever, but it's plenty roomy for me. 2003 accord if you want to look it up yourself. I don't care enough myself.

As for low RPM torque, my car makes max TQ at ~2500 rpms. In fact, I'm almost certain it's faster than your car since I can probably run high 15s.

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: OS

Heh, you talk about timing belts like they only come on japanese cars.

Sorry but mine doesn't have one.

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about a car I've had my hands on, that is in DIRECT sales competition with my wife's "domestic".

I'll bet yours also doesn't have any room or low RPM torque.

Most people don't work on their own cars and I'm assuming that domestic replacement parts are a lot cheaper than imports which adds to their bang for the buck.

But if what you say is generally true then why is the popular opinion geared towards import cars, specifically Japanes ones, in general not just around here, but nationwide as a whole?

I have seen your posts on these forums and see that you're clearly for domestic cars so asking you any question that require objectivity between import cars and domestic cars is probably useless.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Ornery
...if I'm spending thousands upon thousands of my hard-earned dollars...

That's EXACTLY why I buy full sized, full framed, RWD, V8 FORDS. My in-laws own a wondrous Avalon of the same vintage of my wife's Ford. I've done work on both and can say from that first hand experience... BFD to Japanese quality! :roll: Their car is now due for a timing belt replacement, which my wife's car will NEVER require. My wife's car is roomier all around, quieter, and has better acceleration. When Japan releases a car of that caliber, in that price range, I'll buy it! Until then, I'll keep buying the best bang for the buck, FULL SIZED, lowest repair cost vehicles I can get my hands on.

Heh, you talk about timing belts like they only come on japanese cars.

Sorry but mine doesn't have one.

Neither does mine - 98 Maxima, 02 Pathfinder. And I bet even my Pathfinder would woop that Ford to 60 with it's 260hp!

Heh, heh, heh...

 

[Ornery]

I am NOT clearly for ALL domestic cars, only the "good" ones, which use a rugged frame, V8 and RWD platforms. I've got no use for the FWD go-carts released by Detroit or Japan. Since most domestics cars are FWD, POS-mobiles, all domestics get painted with the same broad brush. Thank God half the vehicles purchased are NOT cars at all, but trucks. Most of which use the platform I prefer.

My in-laws Avalon is gutless, and the engine feels and sounds more like an electric air-compressor than a gasoline powered engine. It just might move very quickly if I stomped on it hard and long, but I'd rather have a V8 that can effortlessly get up to speed, rather than buzzing at higher RPMs. That's just personal preference, nothing to do with quality or dependability.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I am NOT clearly for ALL domestic cars, only the "good" ones, which use a rugged frame, V8 and RWD platforms. I've got no use for the FWD go-carts released by Detroit or Japan. Since most domestics cars are FWD, POS-mobiles, all domestics get painted with the same broad brush. Thank God half the vehicles purchased are NOT cars at all, but trucks. Most of which use the platform I prefer.

My in-laws Avalon is gutless, and the engine feels and sounds more like an electric air-compressor than a gasoline powered engine. It just might move very quickly if I stomped on it hard and long, but I'd rather have a V8 that can effortlessly get up to speed, rather than buzzing at higher RPMs. That's just personal preference, nothing to do with quality or dependability.

I can understand that. :beer: You just hate buzzy 4 bangers.

 

[Ornery]

...AND I like elbow room, trunk room, legroom... ROOM! I'll tell you right now, the GD V8s in todays big Fords are too damn small. I'll HAPPILY sacrifice gas mileage for more power!

 

[CFster]

You're a dying breed Ornery.

 

[Ornery]

Hah. Even econoboxes are growing larger & larger. Engines are getting bigger, and more & more consumers are opting for SUVs instead of puny cars. The pendulum has been swinging toward bigger vehicles for quite a while now. Maybe Chrysler won't be the last to introduce new body on frame, V8, RWD, grocery getters...

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I am NOT clearly for ALL domestic cars, only the "good" ones, which use a rugged frame, V8 and RWD platforms. I've got no use for the FWD go-carts released by Detroit or Japan. Since most domestics cars are FWD, POS-mobiles, all domestics get painted with the same broad brush. Thank God half the vehicles purchased are NOT cars at all, but trucks. Most of which use the platform I prefer.

My in-laws Avalon is gutless, and the engine feels and sounds more like an electric air-compressor than a gasoline powered engine. It just might move very quickly if I stomped on it hard and long, but I'd rather have a V8 that can effortlessly get up to speed, rather than buzzing at higher RPMs. That's just personal preference, nothing to do with quality or dependability.

Maybe you should expand your horizons beyond your cars and your inlaws cars. . .

 

[Ornery]

I'm NOT going to speak out of my ass, or about "things I've read", but from personal, hands-on experience. I certainly wish some others would see fit to do the same.

 

[Kroze]

I hate to be Found On the Road Dead with the new mustang.