PricklyPete
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When a tuner gets his car around the 'Ring at 7:26 and does it for under $100K and with a warranty...call me back.
ponyo
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I forgot to add manual trans to that. Most Corvette sold are automatic trans. Most aren't used as a daily driver. Almost no one is going to use the ZR1 as a daily driver. Most of the initial are going to collectors storage.
When 2006 C6 Z06 was first released, those things were going for $20k+ plus MSRP. It was extremely hard to get one for MSRP or close unless you were real lucky. My friend paid about $10k over on Ebay back in late 2005 when he bought his after looking for about a month. When I bought my base C6 back in Feb 2007, Z06 were finally selling at some dealers at MSRP. I considered it but felt the price was too big of a gap considering the base C6 were being discounted at supplier pricing at the time along with 0% and Z06 at MSRP. Now they can't give away Z06. Many dealers are selling the Z06 at true GM Employee pricing which means over $10k off MSRP. If this deal was available when I bought, I would've bought the Z06. How long do you think dealers can keep selling ZR1 at $200k or even $150k when the new Z06 can be had for less than $70k and used ones in low $50k? Like I said, give it two years and you should be able to walk in and buy ZR1 at MSRP or lower.
I wouldn't count on international sales for ZR1. Only 2,221 C6 including the Z06 were sold outside the US in 2007 out of 40,561 produced. You'll have better chance of seeing Ferrari or Lambo than a Corvette outside of US and Canada. Corvettes are considered exotic in many parts of the world.
Does it still have a shit interior?
Better car!= better driver. One will still put it in the wall but, at a higher speed.
Better car!= better driver. One will still put it in the wall but, at a higher speed.
PricklyPete
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Looks perfectly fine to me...
ZR-1
Everything is leather including the dash, etc. Prettiest...no. Bad...certainly not. Have you seen the interior of a Ferrari 430 Scudera? How about a Porsche 911? Lotus Elise? None are going to win awards either. Sure there are some standouts (Lambo since they've been taken over by Audi as well as the Audi R8 are standouts in my book).
My boss at my last company has a Ferrari 360, and the interior wasn't that great, but like he always said, you don't buy a Ferrari for what the interior looks like.
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I agree, 2 years from now you probably will be able to buy a ZR1 for MSRP, however, that's the first time you've said that, and it doesn't have anything to do with what the original point was, so enough of that.
I doubt the interior is going to be the deciding factor for anyone considering this vehicle, why even bother bringing up something so offtopic? So long as the seats and the driving position are good, does anyone really care about anything else in car of this type?
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I think we've summed up a lot of really obvious things in this thread, so I'll cliffs it.
(1)- The ZR-1 is a singularly badass performer.
(2)- It is faster than the GT-R.
(3)- The GT-R Spec V may/probably leapfrog it? 7:29 GT-R vs. 7:26 ZR-1 vs. 7:2X Spec-V?
(4)- When cars are new and sought-after, idiots will pay more than MSRP to drive them. Is a GT-R a bargain at $70k? Yes. At $100k+? Erm. Is the ZR-1 a steal at $100k? Pretty much. At $140k+? Uhhh.
(5)- Would basically anyone in the entire forum be able to honestly say that they wouldn't just *love* being able to tear around in either? Honestly, I think not, though honesty is in thin display here some days.
(6)- The ZR-1 is full of win.
(7)- The GT-R is full of win.
(1)- The ZR-1 is a singularly badass performer.
(2)- It is faster than the GT-R.
(3)- The GT-R Spec V may/probably leapfrog it? 7:29 GT-R vs. 7:26 ZR-1 vs. 7:2X Spec-V?
(4)- When cars are new and sought-after, idiots will pay more than MSRP to drive them. Is a GT-R a bargain at $70k? Yes. At $100k+? Erm. Is the ZR-1 a steal at $100k? Pretty much. At $140k+? Uhhh.
(5)- Would basically anyone in the entire forum be able to honestly say that they wouldn't just *love* being able to tear around in either? Honestly, I think not, though honesty is in thin display here some days.
(6)- The ZR-1 is full of win.
(7)- The GT-R is full of win.
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alkemyst
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The main thing that has always kept any of the top vettes down is they don't look much different than their much cheaper counterparts.
People are either vette drivers or they usually make fun of them. The Z06 is one that many will respect on the track, but would never see themselves driving one (much of the twin turbo 911 crowd, Ferrari, etc).
The GT-R is different. Everything about it makes it easy to drive and handle. Not the same for the vette.
The GT-R should be safe from extreme markups as you can't resell it in the first year without losing the warranty. Most cars like this are bought up to flip to others...Nissan wanted to make sure the car goes into the hands of drivers.
Also I don't understand people setting uneven playing fields like the GT-R will be marked up, the ZR-1 wont? Put a professional driver in the ZR1 vs the GT-R...etc
The GT-R was not meant to compete with the $100k+ cars out there. The V-Spec is going to be more aligned for that and I am sure if it sells well they will bring out.
One thing is for sure I am tired of hearing everyone refer to 'ring times now when in the past you never got that.
People are either vette drivers or they usually make fun of them. The Z06 is one that many will respect on the track, but would never see themselves driving one (much of the twin turbo 911 crowd, Ferrari, etc).
The GT-R is different. Everything about it makes it easy to drive and handle. Not the same for the vette.
The GT-R should be safe from extreme markups as you can't resell it in the first year without losing the warranty. Most cars like this are bought up to flip to others...Nissan wanted to make sure the car goes into the hands of drivers.
Also I don't understand people setting uneven playing fields like the GT-R will be marked up, the ZR-1 wont? Put a professional driver in the ZR1 vs the GT-R...etc
The GT-R was not meant to compete with the $100k+ cars out there. The V-Spec is going to be more aligned for that and I am sure if it sells well they will bring out.
One thing is for sure I am tired of hearing everyone refer to 'ring times now when in the past you never got that.
Uh... the ring is in Germany yes? None of the ZR-1's being produced and sold in the states will ever be on the ring so who cares? Most big name tuners (ie for corvettes, lingenfelter or however you spell it) work with base vettes. 60k in mods can get you a lot (including rims, brakes, suspension, AND 800 hp).
Not at Lingenfelter it won't. They have a whole lot of different packages, but all of them are engine only upgrades. Only the Z06 has an 800HP package (1000HP too, with no price listed) which is $50,000, meaning you've spent $125k with nothing but the engine updgraded. $50k will get you 725HP on an LS2 C6, and 750HP on an LS3 C6. The ZR1 uses a Brembo GTR (no relation to the Nissan) braking system, which is over $10k just for parts. You're already at $60k now, without your brakes installed, a new suspension, $1000 just for the rear tires on the ZR1, and who knows how many thousands for the rims. With everything installed, you're probably looking at $140k+, though you will have a 3 year 36k mile warranty on the powertrain from Lingenfelter.
Just a side note, Motor Trend had a tuners comparison a few years back that included a 1000hp base C6 Corvette that had a transplanted twin turbo LS7 in it. Not sure what else was done to the car, but the price as tested was $225,860. Huge hp from reputable tuners does not come cheap.
PricklyPete
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Are you really that ignorant? GM has been tuning their cars on the Ring...and guess what...their cars are miraculously getting much better. The ring is a very difficult track for any car to master. It has long straights and fantastic twisties that will challenge all aspects of a car. It also is not a "smooth" track by any stretch and resembles a real road more than most tracks in the world (as it is used daily by anyone wanting to race their vehicle...it's essentially a toll road).
If a car does well on the Ring, it essentially gives the buyer a good picture of what real world performance would be if you were to drive the car the way it was meant to be driven. Does the Ring reflect how well you'll do between stop lights in the city...no...but who the hell buys a sports car to speed between city blocks?
ponyo
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ZR1 goes even faster around the Ring at 7:22.4
They brought in their heavyweight, Jan Magnussen to drive this time.
They brought in their heavyweight, Jan Magnussen to drive this time.
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Arkaign
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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
With or without VDC active?
ZV
lulz, IDK to be honest. I don't think the VDC being off is dangerous to the drivetrain outside of LC. LC is what beats it up. But I would expect expert drivers to turn VDC off to get the best times, but I have no idea. Does anyone know if the 7:29 vanilla GT-R time was using VDC? Maybe VDC is so effective that it's actually a faster setup even with pro drivers?
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