zimmerman stuff

[Adrenaline]

If you really think that wearing a low cut dress is the equivalent of following someone around, following them all the way to their house, getting out of the car and hanging out there, there is no point discussing this with you. I never said black youth are wild & ferocious and viewing everyone else as prey, I am just saying that following someone for blocks all the way to their house after being told by 911 dispatchers not to and get out of your car once there is just about as stupid as jumping into a put with lions. You were told not to do it, you did it anyways.

No, the point is Martin was minding his own business when Zimmerman decided to follow him. Same as with the lions in the den. They're there, minding their own business not bothering anyone until some idiot starts harassing them.

TM started talking to GZ first. The star witness testified to this under oath. There was no mention of GZ harassing TM in the conversation.

 

[LegendKiller]

No, the point is Martin was minding his own business when Zimmerman decided to follow him. Same as with the lions in the den. They're there, minding their own business not bothering anyone until some idiot starts harassing them.

Who cares? Following somebody isn't illegal and does not justify confrontation, assault, and abrogation of the right to defend one's self. He wasn't being harassed, GZ never even talked to him. The racist fighting punk decided to assault a guy in a common area doing what he has a *CONSTITUTIONAL* right to do. Simple as that.

OH NOES, LETS WAIT FOR THE COPS OR WE'LL PISS OUR PANTS!

 

[alzan]

Who cares? Following somebody isn't illegal and does not justify confrontation, assault, and abrogation of the right to defend one's self. He wasn't being harassed, GZ never even talked to him. The racist fighting punk decided to assault a guy in a common area doing what he has a *CONSTITUTIONAL* right to do. Simple as that.

OH NOES, LETS WAIT FOR THE COPS OR WE'LL PISS OUR PANTS!

Illegal, no. Amazingly stupid, yeah.

If GZ was doing his NW duties he was doing them exactly wrong.

GZ had a log on his shoulder from the spate of break-ins in his community which severely clouded his judgement that night; he had no reason whatsoever to follow TM.

 

[child of wonder]

Illegal, no. Amazingly stupid, yeah.

If GZ was doing his NW duties he was doing them exactly wrong.

GZ had a log on his shoulder from the spate of break-ins in his community which severely clouded his judgement that night; he had no reason whatsoever to follow TM.

All of which is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

GZ following TM may have been stupid but it in no way gives TM the right to assault GZ. TM assaulting GZ and slamming his head on the pavement DOES give GZ the right to defend himself no matter how stupid he was being beforehand.

If you were texting and driving, then rear ended another driver, a far worse offense than what GZ did to TM, would they have the right to jump out of their car and beat your ass? If they did, would you have a right to defend yourself?

Doing something stupid does not mean all laws go out the window and people are free to assault you and you can do nothing about it.

 

[LegendKiller]

Illegal, no. Amazingly stupid, yeah.

If GZ was doing his NW duties he was doing them exactly wrong.

GZ had a log on his shoulder from the spate of break-ins in his community which severely clouded his judgement that night; he had no reason whatsoever to follow TM.

It doesn't fucking matter. My neighbor's garage door was open when they were on vacation, I went in there just to make sure everything was OK. Should I just call the cops every time their garage door opens, or their security light goes on? Fuck no. If I don't does that mean I give up my right to self defense or could be tried and convicted because I didn't hide like a little bitch?

Fucking grow a pair.

 

[Rakehellion]

*sigh*

The dispatcher told him it was not necessary to follow Martin. That is very different from saying not to follow. There never was an order, a command, whatever you want to term it, to not follow. The only statement made was to inform Zimmerman that following the guy is not necessary, in other words informing Zimmerman that following & not following are both available options.

Personally, you have a lot of leeway to believe what you want about the unknown details of the night. But on the details that are explicitly known, it is your responsibility to know them, especially if they are used as a basis to form your opinions of the unknowns that occurred.

911 dispatchers are not police. They can't give orders.

 

[allisolm]

All the old Trayvon revisited stuff from the new thread about zimmerman's latest arrest.

 

[cubby1223]

lol.

Courts worked as they should, and they work a great deal of the time, but that says nothing about GZ's innocence or lack thereof.

If Zimmerman's head wasn't beaten up, you could form a stronger argument and convince a greater number of people that Zimmerman was the aggressor. Unfortunately, the facts have this tendency to contract that version of events.

 

[cubby1223]

Throughout the trial, remember the belief was Zimmerman was this genius mastermind plotting the perfect scenario for murder in advance of the evening, setting it up beautifully with a carefully orchestrated phone conversation with the dispatcher, followed up with a perfectly executed plan to make it appear like Martin was the aggressor, including even Zimmerman beating his own head into the pavement after shooting Martin to get away with murder...

He goes from criminal mastermind of manipulation, to an utterly imbecilic fool in all other situations in his life... it's amazing how there can be these two very distinct people in front of us, the only difference is how the narrative currently fits in the minds of activists.

 

[theeedude]

Such a fine young man, unlike that "thug" kid he killed.

 

[cabri]

The jury got it right because HE killed the only other witness and the Prosecutorial team was inept. Also, the legal system at least for "non-blacks" is weighted for the defense. Or haven't you heard the quote "Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer".

But, isn't it funny that whenever one of these stories come up you slide into your legalisms.

The simple question is that knowing everything we know now about GZ (what most people figured before the trial giving his past) of a violent irrationally temperamental man who finds trouble and can't seem to stay out of jail; is it hard to believe he lied about what happened that night and that he was indeed the aggressor?

Except for the witness telling a story that matched up with GZ accounts.

And the post trial information on Martin also backed up GZ accounts.

Your poster angel was looking for trouble and found it.

 

[TechBoyJK]

If anything this just tells me it's obvious Trayvon made a string of mistakes that night.

One of them was attacking a neighborhood watchmen who has anger issues.