zimmerman stuff

[Jimzz]

He still had every right not to be assaulted and potentially killed that night.
Nothing he can do, short of a confession to fill in the missing facts of that case, can change that.

As for his recent run ins with the law... his life was destroyed by that night.
He survived the beating, he survived the lynch mob, he survived the trial, but he did not come out of that entire process a whole and healthy person.

Yea lets gloss over he beat a girlfriend and a police officer BEFORE "that night" as you put it. I guess those were also isolated incidents? :whiste:

 

[Matt1970]

He still had every right not to be assaulted and potentially killed that night.

And if his ass stayed put like he was told to do he wouldn't have had to defend himself.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

And if his ass stayed put like he was told to do he wouldn't have had to defend himself.

He was never told to stay put. Damn I can't believe how much of the false narrative that was taken hook, line, and sinker

 

[Jimzz]

He was never told to stay put. Damn I can't believe how much of the false narrative that was taken hook, line, and sinker

"He stated that it sounded like Zimmerman was running so he advised him not to follow Martin"

“Are you following him?” the operator asks Zimmerman. “Yeah,” he says. The dispatcher on the phone tells him: “We don’t need you to do that.”

That's what the 911 operator said at trial and on the call.

 

[fskimospy]

He still had every right not to be assaulted and potentially killed that night.
Nothing he can do, short of a confession to fill in the missing facts of that case, can change that.

As for his recent run ins with the law... his life was destroyed by that night.
He survived the beating, he survived the lynch mob, he survived the trial, but he did not come out of that entire process a whole and healthy person.

This guy had a history before his encounter with Martin.

No matter what happened that night George Zimmerman has long been a disturbed individual.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

"He stated that it sounded like Zimmerman was running so he advised him not to follow Martin"

“Are you following him?” the operator asks Zimmerman. “Yeah,” he says. The dispatcher on the phone tells him: “We don’t need you to do that.”

That's what the 911 operator said at trial and on the call.

That's not being told to stay put as Matt1970 claimed, now does it? It doesn't explain why Trayvon had more than 4 minutes to get home (80 yards) and then after that period of time was shot while in the process of aggravated assault on Zimmerman. Based on the evidence the acquittal decision by the jury was the right one. Had the law of Florida been followed instead of political lynch mob directing an arrest he should have never been charged....period!

 

[Matt1970]

He was never told to stay put. Damn I can't believe how much of the false narrative that was taken hook, line, and sinker

And if his ass stayed put like he was told to do he wouldn't have had to defend himself.

"He stated that it sounded like Zimmerman was running so he advised him not to follow Martin"

“Are you following him?” the operator asks Zimmerman. “Yeah,” he says. The dispatcher on the phone tells him: “We don’t need you to do that.”

That's what the 911 operator said at trial and on the call.

Yes Zimmerman was defending himself, but it was only because he got into a situation he should not have been in. It would be like jumping into a lion pit at the zoo. Yes you have the right to defend yourself against the lions, but you shouldn't have jumped into the lion pit.

 

[cubby1223]

George Zimmerman arrested on suspected domestic violence
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/10/us/george-zimmerman-arrested/index.html


And no before you ask, this is not the old story, he's up to it again.

So how long before the Zimmerman apologist realize this guy is a psycho.

Fine - he's been crossed off my Christmas card list.

What idiots like you fail to realize, (1) Zimmerman did not murder Martin that night, it was self defense, & (2) 99.9999% of people who understand #1, have also moved on with their lives and only give thought to Zimmerman when one of you idiots bring him back into the news to throw insults around at other people.

 

[Matt1970]

That's not being told to stay put as Matt1970 claimed, now does it? It doesn't explain why Trayvon had more than 4 minutes to get home (80 yards) and then after that period of time was shot while in the process of aggravated assault on Zimmerman. Based on the evidence the acquittal decision by the jury was the right one. Had the law of Florida been followed instead of political lynch mob directing an arrest he should have never been charged....period!

Stay put, don't follow, whatever. He didn't do what the 911 dispatcher told him to do. The jury made the right decision only because there is a no law to fit what Zimmerman did. Tell ya what, go to your local mall or whatever and start following people around. Do it as close as you can without interfering with their ability to walk. Eventually someone is going to turn around and punch you. You have the right to defend yourself, but that is a situation you created. Do you see what I am getting at here?

 

[cubby1223]

Yes Zimmerman was defending himself, but it was only because he got into a situation he should not have been in. It would be like jumping into a lion pit at the zoo. Yes you have the right to defend yourself against the lions, but you shouldn't have jumped into the lion pit.

If she hadn't worn such a low-cut dress & high skirt, she wouldn't have put herself in a position to be raped that night.

Stupid analogy deserves another stupid analogy. The only way your lion pit analogy works is if you go under the assumption that black youth are wild & ferocious and viewing everyone else as prey, not as fellow humans. Do you really want to make that analogy?

 

[cubby1223]

Stay put, don't follow, whatever. He didn't do what the 911 dispatcher told him to do. The jury made the right decision only because there is a no law to fit what Zimmerman did. Tell ya what, go to your local mall or whatever and start following people around. Do it as close as you can without interfering with their ability to walk. Eventually someone is going to turn around and punch you. You have the right to defend yourself, but that is a situation you created. Do you see what I am getting at here?

*sigh*

The dispatcher told him it was not necessary to follow Martin. That is very different from saying not to follow. There never was an order, a command, whatever you want to term it, to not follow. The only statement made was to inform Zimmerman that following the guy is not necessary, in other words informing Zimmerman that following & not following are both available options.

Personally, you have a lot of leeway to believe what you want about the unknown details of the night. But on the details that are explicitly known, it is your responsibility to know them, especially if they are used as a basis to form your opinions of the unknowns that occurred.

 

[Matt1970]

If she hadn't worn such a low-cut dress & high skirt, she wouldn't have put herself in a position to be raped that night.

Stupid analogy deserves another stupid analogy. The only way your lion pit analogy works is if you go under the assumption that black youth are wild & ferocious and viewing everyone else as prey, not as fellow humans. Do you really want to make that analogy?

If you really think that wearing a low cut dress is the equivalent of following someone around, following them all the way to their house, getting out of the car and hanging out there, there is no point discussing this with you. I never said black youth are wild & ferocious and viewing everyone else as prey, I am just saying that following someone for blocks all the way to their house after being told by 911 dispatchers not to and get out of your car once there is just about as stupid as jumping into a put with lions. You were told not to do it, you did it anyways.

 

[Matt1970]

*sigh*

The dispatcher told him it was not necessary to follow Martin. That is very different from saying not to follow. There never was an order, a command, whatever you want to term it, to not follow. The only statement made was to inform Zimmerman that following the guy is not necessary, in other words informing Zimmerman that following & not following are both available options.

Personally, you have a lot of leeway to believe what you want about the unknown details of the night. But on the details that are explicitly known, it is your responsibility to know them, especially if they are used as a basis to form your opinions of the unknowns that occurred.

How the hell do you get that from “We don’t need you to do that.” ? That's a hell of a stretch there.

 

[umbrella39]

GZ is going to become a felon soon and then he will lose his legal right to own a gun.

I agree... If he does lose it, the chances of him following around people on foot on dark, rainy nights goes down to around 0%, too...

 

[LegendKiller]

Stay put, don't follow, whatever. He didn't do what the 911 dispatcher told him to do. The jury made the right decision only because there is a no law to fit what Zimmerman did. Tell ya what, go to your local mall or whatever and start following people around. Do it as close as you can without interfering with their ability to walk. Eventually someone is going to turn around and punch you. You have the right to defend yourself, but that is a situation you created. Do you see what I am getting at here?

Nobody told him to not follow. It was a suggestion and a weak one at that. He had every right to follow. Every. Fucking. Right.

You have every right to follow somebody you think is suspicious without giving up your right, or the expectation of the right, to defend yourself. Period. There is no grey area for this. He was not trespassing. He was not breaking into a a place. He had every constitutional right to do what he did without giving up his constitutional right to protect his life.

 

[LegendKiller]

How the hell do you get that from “We don’t need you to do that.” ? That's a hell of a stretch there.

That is not a order. It is not a direction. It is a statement.

I watch my neighbors house when they are out of town. Do I need to do it? No. But I do.

As others have said, just because you put yourself into the situation doesn't make it your fault for somebody to violate your rights. Similar to rape and clothes mentioned above.

Do I need to shovel their driveway? No. But I do it anyway.

Do any if those things remove my right to defend myself if somebody attacks me?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

He was never told to stay put. Damn I can't believe how much of the false narrative that was taken hook, line, and sinker

Your idol sure doesn't look good, does he? You and Spidey should start a fan club or something.

 

[Matt1970]

That is not a order. It is not a direction. It is a statement.

I watch my neighbors house when they are out of town. Do I need to do it? No. But I do.

As others have said, just because you put yourself into the situation doesn't make it your fault for somebody to violate your rights. Similar to rape and clothes mentioned above.

Do I need to shovel their driveway? No. But I do it anyway.

Do any if those things remove my right to defend myself if somebody attacks me?

Let me know where you see me say Zimmerman didn't have the right to defend himself?

 

[LegendKiller]

Let me know where you see me say Zimmerman didn't have the right to defend himself?

You put the onus on GZ. It wasn't an order, it was barely even a suggestion. It was a statement. He had no moral, legal, or personal obligation to follow it and, in not following it, he didn't give up rights or even precipitate violence. He had every right to follow TM and every right to defend himself. TM was shot because he wanted to fight. Plain and simple. GZ had no racial motives but TM did. TM was the aggressor. He died for it, move on.

 

[child of wonder]

So how long before the Zimmerman apologist realize this guy is a psycho.

Zimmerman is a piece of shit but if someone jumps on top of you and slams your head against the pavement, you have the right to defend yourself no matter if you were following that person, yelling racial slurs at them, or minding your own business.

Period. The end.

Having the common sense to realize that simple fact does not make one a "Zimmerman apologist."

 

[Dari]

If she hadn't worn such a low-cut dress & high skirt, she wouldn't have put herself in a position to be raped that night.

Stupid analogy deserves another stupid analogy. The only way your lion pit analogy works is if you go under the assumption that black youth are wild & ferocious and viewing everyone else as prey, not as fellow humans. Do you really want to make that analogy?

No, the point is Martin was minding his own business when Zimmerman decided to follow him. Same as with the lions in the den. They're there, minding their own business not bothering anyone until some idiot starts harassing them.

 

[WHAMPOM]

If she hadn't worn such a low-cut dress & high skirt, she wouldn't have put herself in a position to be raped that night.

Stupid analogy deserves another stupid analogy. The only way your lion pit analogy works is if you go under the assumption that black youth are wild & ferocious and viewing everyone else as prey, not as fellow humans. Do you really want to make that analogy?

Trayvon was wearing a low cut dress and high skirt? Did not know about the rape, just the murder.

 

[JEDIYoda]

He still had every right not to be assaulted and potentially killed that night.
Nothing he can do, short of a confession to fill in the missing facts of that case, can change that.

As for his recent run ins with the law... his life was destroyed by that night.
He survived the beating, he survived the lynch mob, he survived the trial, but he did not come out of that entire process a whole and healthy person.

A George Zimmerman apologist...

 

[blankslate]

He still had every right not to be assaulted and potentially killed that night.
Nothing he can do, short of a confession to fill in the missing facts of that case, can change that.

Yeah, and he also had the right to make more cautious decisions like waiting for an Officer while remaining in his car... if Trayvon Martin then banged on the driver's side window because he wanted to assault someone then Mr. Zimmerman would have had a far more unassailable case for a self-defense shooting....

You can avoid justice but you can't run from karma

What's that supposed to mean?

It means if you insist on dickish behavior toward other people after being part of a nationally controversial trial (in which case a normal person who is not a dipshit douchetastic attention seeker would probably lay low), such that your superstar lawyer drops you as a client then follow a person to his place of work after you've had a verbal altercation about their driving then get yourself arrested (again for fucks sake can't you stop getting your fucked-up self arrested?); karma may be telling you this...

Not everyone who shoots someone is in the right nor are they always in the wrong....

What boggles the mind are people who defend douches because they can shoot straight at practically point blank range and the law determined it was self-defense after they keep getting involved in issues that require police attention...



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[JackBurton]

And if his ass stayed put like he was told to do he wouldn't have had to defend himself.

If someone didn't attack him, he wouldn't of had to defend himself.