Zhaoxin's ZX-F/KX-7000/KH-40000 and beyond

NostaSeronx · Apr 11, 2020

Still wondering why the price ballooned.

ZX-C => ¥399.00(RMB) ~ $56.71(USD)
ZX-E => ¥4300.00(RMB) ~ $611.13(USD)
ZX-E (2P) => ¥18000.00(RMB) ~ $2,558.24(USD)

It is cheaper to get;
A10N-9830E or FX9830M from Taiwan for somewhere about $73 ~ ¥513.64(RMB)

For speculative reasons, the above platforms definitely won't be more than ZX-E even with a 35W Ryzen 9 4900HS, that happens to be cooled with a 70W-class heatsink.

Waiting for a Hong Kong/Taiwan company to make a Ryzen 4000 in NUC form factor or on a FP6 mITX-mATX board is more worth it.

DrMrLordX · Apr 12, 2020

moinmoin said:
I guess the biggest relevancy for Zhaoxin CPUs is for the Chinese government agencies' push for self sufficiency in IT, which got accelerated due to the trade war with the US.

That's one of the forces behind it. Not sure they have anointed Zhaoxin as their preferred supplier though. Huawei is their biggest baby, and it would be interesting to see a Kirin 990 square off against the best that Zhaoxin can offer today in some kind of state-sponsored Linux competition.

moinmoin · Apr 12, 2020

DrMrLordX said:
That's one of the forces behind it. Not sure they have anointed Zhaoxin as their preferred supplier though. Huawei is their biggest baby, and it would be interesting to see a Kirin 990 square off against the best that Zhaoxin can offer today in some kind of state-sponsored Linux competition.

I'm sure they have a repeat of the ubiquitous x86 vs ARM discussion internally as well.

Not sure how unified their agencies has been in the past and whether they might have custom code on sides reliant on (Windows) x86 and whether emulation on Kirin would be faster than native on ZX.

I wanted to add that using a mainland Chinese foundry might also be a factor, but I see even Zhaoxin uses renegade TSMC nowadays.

DrMrLordX · Apr 12, 2020

Yeah I don't know who uses SMIC.

Kosusko · Apr 12, 2020

Nice desktop with Zhaoxin Eight Core processor

HP 268 Pro G1 MT
ZhaoXin KaiXian KX-U6780A Processor
2.7 GHz
8 MB L2 cache, 8 cores
8 threads
ZhaoXin C960 UHD Graphics
70 W
Supports DDR4 memory up to 2666 MT/s
source: https://support.hp.com/in-en/product/hp-268-pro-g1-mt/32591011/document/c06537715#AbT2
source: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06558314

DrMrLordX · Apr 12, 2020

Seems like HP wants to rack up some government sales.

Kosusko · Apr 12, 2020

I think such a PC kit has performance for many offices. And not only in China.

DrMrLordX · Apr 12, 2020

Kosusko said:
I think such a PC set would find application in many offices. And not only in China.

Look at the OS options. That's a China-only product. I don't think it would sell well in the States at all.

Kosusko · Apr 12, 2020

I know that this is China-only product today.
They will still have a lot of work to replace the old x86 workstations.

Kosusko · Apr 12, 2020

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NostaSeronx · Apr 20, 2020

Well this is interesting...

Bye 7nm? Hello 16nm w/ Octo-channel? DDR4 and 128 PCIE lanes at a Dual-die & 2P setup? and 28nm w/ a 70W standalone dGPU.

Major Edit 1: This is KH-40000 platform, so it fits the topic. Potentially KX-7000 will be somewhere. *shrug*

It is weirdly formatted...
CPU Die => 2+ GHz / 16C
Dual-die and two socket => Octo-channel and 128 PCIe 3.0 lanes.
Which will be the the full 64-core option.

同时KH-40000将继续支持双路互联，即系统内最多可达64核心，并支持DDR4内存和PCIe 3.0。<==

Definitely not bye 7nm. Not going to edit it out.

dark zero · Apr 21, 2020

NostaSeronx said:
Well this is interesting...

View attachment 19899

Bye 7nm? Hello 16nm w/ Octo-channel? DDR4 and 128 PCIE lanes at a Dual-die & 2P setup? and 28nm w/ a 70W standalone dGPU.

Major Edit 1: This is KH-40000 platform, so it fits the topic. Potentially KX-7000 will be somewhere. *shrug*

It is weirdly formatted...
CPU Die => 2+ GHz / 16C
Dual-die and two socket => Octo-channel and 128 PCIe 3.0 lanes.
Which will be the the full 64-core option.

同时KH-40000将继续支持双路互联，即系统内最多可达64核心，并支持DDR4内存和PCIe 3.0。<==

Definitely not bye 7nm. Not going to edit it out.

Wait... so 2 variants then?
One high performance/cost at 7 nm
One Low cost at 16 nm?

NostaSeronx · Apr 21, 2020

dark zero said:
Wait... so 2 variants then?
One high performance/cost at 7 nm
One Low cost at 16 nm?

KX-6000 is the first die, KH-30000 uses it. 8-core plus Integrated GPU being a single die. KH-30000 maxes out with 16-cores w/ ZPI 2.0 which is package(socket) to package(socket) only. Point-to-point w/ 16 GB/s(128 Gbps).

KH-40000 is the second die. 16-core minus Integrated GPU being a single die, with two dies on a package, and two packages on a board for 64-cores. Package and dies probably are using a new version of ZPI; Zhaoxin Processor Interconnect. With that it might be bigger than KX-6000/KH-30000. It is also going to paired with a 70W 28-nm die, which is the third die.

KX-7000 is the fourth die. 8-core with new core plus new integrated GPU being a single die.

Cost-wise I would think the KX-7000 die on 7nm will be the cheapest. Since, it will build upon the infrastructure KX-6000 is building.

Kosusko · Apr 27, 2020

Interesting Japanese article about Centaur CHA x86 processor with AI coprocessor
source:

Prekladač Google

I found a Chinese review KX-U6780A. There is an interesting look at this product from their perspective.
source:

Prekladač Google

P.S. we are still waiting for the review KX-U6780A on anandtech...

moinmoin · Apr 27, 2020

@Kosusko Please post the original Links. I prefer to decide myself how and with what tools I translate a site.

Kosusko · Apr 28, 2020

DrMrLordX said:
Look at the OS options. That's a China-only product. I don't think it would sell well in the States at all.

Mayby not only in China because all service videos from HP Support are in English.

source:

HP Support

Sometimes you need a little help to get the best out of your HP products. HP Support created these videos to help answer questions, troubleshoot problems, an...

www.youtube.com

At least it's interesting. Maybe at least we in Europe will see US-Taiwanese-Chinese processors in HP computers.
Who knows...

Review HP 268 Pro G1
source: https://kknews.cc/digital/pb4646e.html

I think such a PC kit has performance for many offices.

DrMrLordX · Apr 28, 2020

I still doubt that HP will sell those in the 'States.

dark zero · May 1, 2020

DrMrLordX said:
I still doubt that HP will sell those in the 'States.

But they can sell it on Latin America and some parts of Europe

Kosusko · May 2, 2020

dark zero said:
But they can sell it on Latin America and some parts of Europe

I remember that my Lenovo IdeaPad S12 netbook with VIA Nano processor sold it on Azia, Latin America and some parts of Europe.

dark zero · May 6, 2020

Kosusko said:
I remember that my Lenovo IdeaPad S12 netbook with VIA Nano processor sold it on Azia, Latin America and some parts of Europe.

I can see Lenovo selling laptops with Zhao Xin processors but on a limited stores and with an AMD o nVIDIA GPU along with it. Is hard to sell it without any known GPU on it.

Kosusko · May 7, 2020

China only... Loeschzwerg boards arrived to Germany (EU) 5.5.2020

source: https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=12300213&postcount=520

DrMrLordX · May 7, 2020

I was reading through that HP review.

It looks like the 6780A is slower than a J5005 in single-thread performance in every ST test from that review. It's turning in lower scores in GB4, GB5, and CPU-z ST benchmarks.

Kosusko · May 7, 2020

A single-thread performance ?
Who cares?
I'm not buying a single core processor (1C/1T), but a multi core processor with eight small cores (8C/8T).

But I have to admit Gemini Lake (Goldmont Plus) I always liked it, but go for only quad core processor ...

DrMrLordX · May 7, 2020

Kosusko said:
A single-thread performance ?
Who cares?

You're kidding, right? Please be joking.

Hitman928 · May 7, 2020

DrMrLordX said:
You're kidding, right? Please be joking.

You obviously just don't understand. Single core performance doesn't matter. What makes these CPUs special is that you can buy 8 small cores that somehow use as much or more power than the competitors' big 4 core processors and still get blown out by performance in both single and multi-threaded benchmarks. All this while having an astonishing low perf/$ when trying to actually buy a system that contains said small cores. Why wouldn't you be super excited about this? /s

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