Zhaoxin's ZX-F/KX-7000/KH-40000

[ThatBuzzkiller]

Have they switched to SMIC's N+1 process during since ? They can't exactly trust TSMC anymore ...

 

[Kosusko]

Zhaoxin KiaXian KX-U6780A 2.7GHz in the Anandtech CPU 2021 Benchmarks Database
source: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2625?vs=2688

 

[blckgrffn]

Zhaoxin KiaXian KX-U6780A 2.7GHz in the Anandtech CPU 2021 Benchmarks Database
source: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2625?vs=2684

Flavor text for the link:

"It appears that a 70W, 8C version of this CPU is able to be definitively better than an 8C AMD Jaguar CPU @ 2.35ghz, in many cases beating it by double digit percentages! Except for when it doesn't and it's slower by significant margins."



I guess that is one way to "target" AMD.

 

[NTMBK]

Flavor text for the link:

"It appears that a 70W, 8C version of this CPU is able to be definitively better than an 8C AMD Jaguar CPU @ 2.35ghz, in many cases beating it by double digit percentages! Except for when it doesn't and it's slower by significant margins."



I guess that is one way to "target" AMD.

Yup. Comparing it to Ryzen is just painful: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2625?vs=2671

 

[DrMrLordX]

The TDP is what holds it back. If they could get the power down there might be some hope for the poor thing. Except that there are ARM chips in the 5-6W range that would still scorch it.

 

[yuri69]

The 6000 series is still kinda VIA Isaiahish. The follow-on 7000 should be based on something more up to date like Centaur CHA at 7nm.

 

[Kosusko]

MLPerf Inference v1.0: 2000 Suite Results, New Power Measurements

Compare that to Centaur, which has provided a handful of data points for its upcoming CHA AI coprocessor.

● Centaur Integrated x86 CPUs (2.0GHz) - Centaur Integrated AI Coprocessor (2.0GHz)
● Centaur Integrated x86 CPUs (2.5GHz) - Centaur Integrated AI Coprocessor (2.5GHz)

source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16632/mlperf-inference-v10-2000-suite-results-new-power-measurements
source: https://mlcommons.org/en/inference-edge-10/

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SisoftSandra ranker - Processor Multi-Media
● VIA CentaurHauls CPU @2200MHz (8C 2.2GHz, 8x 256kB L2, 16MB L3):
42 313Mpix/s (+278,06%)

vs.

SisoftSandra ranker - Processor Multi-Media
● ZHAOXIN KaiXian KX-U6780A@2.7GHz (8C 2.7GHz, 2x 4MB L2):
11 192Mpix/s (26,45%)

source: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_system.php?q=cea598ab93a096a098bed9e4c9f8deac91a187eed3e3c5ad90a086fec3f2d4b1d4e9d9ff8cb189&l=en
source: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/top_run.php?q=c2ffcee885e8d5ecdeedcbb984b492fbc6f6d0b885b593ebd6e7c1a4c1fcccea99a494&l=en


SisoftSandra ranker - Processor Image Processing (Normal/Single Precision)
● VIA CentaurHauls CPU @2200MHz (8C 2.2GHz, 8x 256kB L2, 16MB L3):
32 573Mpix/s (+385,08%)

vs.

SisoftSandra ranker - Processor Image Processing (Normal/Single Precision)
● ZHAOXIN KaiXian KX-U6780A@2.7GHz (8C 2.7GHz, 2x 4MB L2):
6715Mpix/s (20,62%)

source: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_system.php?q=cea598ab93a096a098bed9e4c9f8deac91a187eed3e3c5ad90a086fec3f2d4b1d4e9d9ff8cb189&l=en
source: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/top_run.php?q=c2ffc8fbddb0dde0d9ebd8fe8cb181a7cef3c3e58db080a6dee3d2f491f4c9f9dfac91a9&l=en

 

[dark zero]

Wait.. that CentaurHauls looks like a massive jump from Isaiah.
Finally VIA is about to pull a Conroe's Jump?
If that so, finally!

 

[Kosusko]

Because Centaur / VIA Isaiah "CN" (CNA, CNB, CNC, CNQ, CNR and also Zhaoxin Zhangjiang, WuDaoKou, LuJiaZui) belonged and belongs to the category of little cores. We know this category of little processor cores in competition under the names Intel Atom (eg Silvermont, Airmont, Goldmont, Goldmont +, Tremont or Gracemont) or AMD "cat cores" (as Bobcat, Jaguar or Puma).

And the Centaur CNS x86 microarchitecture is base as typical representative of big cores. The x86 CHA microprocessor is designed to high-performance x86 CNS cores deliver high instructions/clock (IPC) for server-class applications.

Only many reviewers mixed pears and apples (little and big cores) and then wondered. Let's leave aside motivation or ignorance...
I'm wondering how to turn or feel beautiful on big.LITTLE cores in to Alder Lake SoC...

But anyway. I am preparing review of processors with little cores as Intel Pentium Silver J5040 (Goldmont+); Intel Pentium Silver N6005 (Tremont) and Zhaoxin Kaixian KX-U6580 (LuJiaZui). Stay tuned...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Only many reviewers mixed pears and apples (little and big cores) and then wondered. Let's leave aside motivation or ignorance...

Or maybe they ignored the "size" of the cores and looked at power draw instead.

 

[Kosusko]

We will see how 14nm Gemini Lake Refresh (Goldmont Plus) and especially 10nm Jasper Lake (Tremont) against 16nm CMOS Kaixian KX-U6580 (LuJiaZui) are prepared in terms of microarchitecture, lithography, performance, TDP, power consumption in the desktop segment (nettop).
It will give us important data ... We look forward to the small cores of Gracemont in big.LITTLE Alder Lake.

 

[fkoehler]

Not being snide, however Gemini and Jasper are going to exceed Kaixian as expected.
Even those mondo-L2's aren't help Kaixian much.

 

[Kosusko]

We'll see if IPC and higher frequencies quad Goldmont Plus or Tremont cores help skip eight KaiXian (Centaur) cores with higher L2 cache.

Let's be surprised ...

 

[Kosusko]

This motherboard will be the challenger to the Gemini Lake and Jasper Lake motherboards of these three processor platforms in the review: Rise of the small cores.


IEI Launched Zhaoxin KX-6000 Series Processor Mini-ITX - KINO-KX Series
source: https://www.ieiworld.com/en/news/con_show.php?op=showone&cid=1245
source: https://www.ieiworld.com/en/product/model.php?II=739

Stay tuned...

 

[Kosusko]

Sneak Peek

My Zhaoxin mainboard is on the way to review Rise of the small cores


Stay tuned

 

[dark zero]

Waiting for Centaur Hauls. That is the real big deal from them.

 

[SarahKerrigan]

Waiting for Centaur Hauls. That is the real big deal from them.

"CentaurHauls" is not the name of a CPU core. It's how all Centaur CPUs identify themselves in CPUID, like "GenuineIntel" or "AuthenticAMD".

 

[Kosusko]

Preview Rise of the small cores :weg:
IEI KINO-KX-U6580-R10 Mini-ITX mainboard

ZHAOXIN KX-U6580 2.5GHz 8-core processor with C-960 Graphics Processing Unit with 2D/3D/Video Acceleration on-board SoC and Zhaoxin ZX-200 chipset

Stay tuned

 

[Asterox]

For example Passmark, CPU score is even lower vs old AMD Excavator 4 Cores APU.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-A8-9600-vs-ZHAOXIN-KaiXian-KX-U658-vs-AMD-Athlon-3000G-vs-Intel-Pentium-Gold-G5420/3004vs4162vs3614vs3471

It is ok, "but just as a curiosity or here's another X86 CPU as some kind of competition".

 

[Kosusko]

All processors wich you compared only in passmak are based on the architecture of big cores.
My review is called Rise of the small cores.
Let's be surprised. We will see.

 

[DrMrLordX]

All processors wich you compared only in passmak are based on the architecture of big cores.
My review is called Rise of the small cores.

A8-9600 has "big cores"? Sure, whatever.

 

[NostaSeronx]

A8-9600 has "big cores"? Sure, whatever.

The Excavator processor architecture is big. So, while the cores are small, the blocks FE/LS/FPU/BUS/L2 are all relatively large. Which is the legacy of AMD's big OoO queues for server/HPC for post-K8/Greyhound architectures. K9 (5GHz Operton) had it and K10 (Bulldozer) had it. Which in turn continued to develop in that direction, both SR/XV had bigger OoO queues than BD/PD. Even though they never appeared in the true Server/HPC product lines. So, yes A8-9600 CPU processors are huge, big, large, grand, ginormous, etc.

Hence, why 4.67 Jaguar single-core processors fit in 1 Excavator dual-core processor.

 

[Kosusko]

First impression - Rise of the small cores

Cinebench R23 CPU (Multi Core)
● VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (28nm, 4C/4T, 2MB L2 cache): 733 pts (32,91%)
● Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C/8T, 8MB L2 cache): 2 227 pts (+203,82%)


And here is my older game results with VIA QuadCore compare with Zhaoxin OctaCore

World of Tanks enCORE - ULTRA
● VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (28nm, 4C/4T, 2MB L2 cache) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB OC: 5 648 (50,10%)
● Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C/8T, 8MB L2 cache) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB OC: 11 273 (+99,59%)

World of Tanks enCORE - MEDIUM
● VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (28nm, 4C/4T, 2MB L2 cache) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB OC: 8 159 (30,56%)
● Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C/8T, 8MB L2 cache) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB OC: 26 702 (+227,27%)

 

[Kosusko]

Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts 2 @ 2021

1080p HIGH Graphics Settings = perfectly playable and huge graphics

 

[DrMrLordX]

Anyone got a Jasper Lake CBR23 score for comparison?