Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor review

We review the new Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor from AMD. The much-anticipated processor series comes with an added cache that will help predominantly with gaming. This processor series was designed for ...

www.guru3d.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

www.techpowerup.com

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD's Fastest Gaming Processor

www.anandtech.com

Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD Retakes Gaming Crown with 3D V-Cache

AMD takes a bite out of Raptor Lake.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Zen 4 3D looks to not only be the fastest for racing sims, but more importantly, the smoothest.

 

[In2Photos]

Zen 4 3D looks to not only be the fastest for racing sims, but more importantly, the smoothest.

But what about the "AMD dip"?

 

[Mopetar]

But what about the "AMD dip"?

Must have had the chart upside down. Looks more like an AMD bump.

 

[NTMBK]

What Intel needs is break and a clean sheet design. Focus on efficiency first and performance will follow.

Do you want Bulldozer? Because that's how you get Bulldozer

 

[IEC]

Still waiting for the 7800X3D to launch.

Meanwhile, the G.Skill DDR5-6000 CL32 memory I purchased seems to be Hynix chips judging from the code above the barcode: 0T48ARS821M. It's also dropped an additional $4 since I purchased to $123.99. F5-6000J3238F16GX2-FX5

 

[biostud]

Still waiting for the 7800X3D to launch.

Same, I assembled all my parts that are not currently in use yesterday. I AM READY!!!11!!1!

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Still waiting for the 7800X3D to launch.

Meanwhile, the G.Skill DDR5-6000 CL32 memory I purchased seems to be Hynix chips judging from the code above the barcode: 0T48ARS821M. It's also dropped an additional $4 since I purchased to $123.99. F5-6000J3238F16GX2-FX5

My 2x16GB 6000C30 kit was marked S820M, my new 2x32GB 6000C30 kit is marked S820A, for hynix M and hynix A die respectively. Looks like yours is M die.

I'd guess the 820 vs 821 refers to binning

 

[AdamK47]

Decided to do some benchmark comparisons between my system and a reviewer's system with similar specs. I wanted an apples-to-apples comparison to see where my system stacks up. TechSpot reviewed the 7950X3D with an RTX 4090. The list of games they tested also noted the settings they used. I was able to use the same settings in three of those games: Cyberpunk 2077, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Shadow of the Tomb Raider. The OS I'm on is Windows 11 22H2.

My system is moderately overclocked while theirs is not. My 7950X3D is using a BCLK increase of 102MHz with PBO while my memory is running at 6200 with tweaked timings. These are my settings output from the BIOS:

[2023/03/19 18:26:22]
Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
eCLK Mode [Asynchronous mode]
BCLK1 Frequency [100.0000]
BCLK2 Frequency [102.0000]
Memory Frequency [DDR5-6200MHz]
FCLK Frequency [2100 MHz]
Core Performance Boost [Enabled]
Tcl [30]
Trcd [38]
Trp [38]
Tras [28]
Trc [42]
Twr [48]
Refresh Interval [36228]
Trfc1 [460]
Trfc2 [280]
Trfcsb [240]
Trtp [12]
TrrdL [8]
TrrdS [4]
Tfaw [20]
TwtrL [16]
TwtrS [4]
TrdrdScl [6]
TrdrdSc [1]
TrdrdSd [Auto]
Trdrddd [Auto]
TwrwrScl [4]
TwrwrSc [1]
TwrwrSd [Auto]
TwrwrDd [Auto]
Twrrd [2]
Trdwr [16]
IBUF_LPWR_MODE [Disabled]
ADDR_CMD_MODE [Buf]
M_ORDERING [Auto]
S_COL_WIDTH [Auto]
MC_SVA_TRIM0 [Auto]
MC_SVA_TRIM1 [Auto]
MC_SVA_TRIM2 [Auto]
Proc CA Drive Strength [Auto]
Proc Data Drive Strength [Auto]
CPU On-Die Termination [Auto]
DRAM Data Drive Strength [Auto]
Rtt Nom Wr [Auto]
Rtt Nom Rd [Auto]
Rtt Wr [Auto]
Rtt Park [Auto]
Rtt Park Dqs [Auto]
Power Down Enable [Disabled]
Memory Context Restore [Disabled]
UCLK DIV1 MODE [UCLK=MEMCLK]
Bank Swap Mode [Auto]
Mem Over Clock Fail Count [Auto]
Medium Load Boostit [Auto]
Precision Boost Overdrive [Enabled]
Precision Boost Overdrive Scalar [Auto]
CPU Boost Clock Override [Auto]
Per-Core Boost Clock Limit [Auto]
Platform Thermal Throttle Limit [Auto]
Curve Optimizer [Auto]
GFX Curve Optimizer [Auto]
VRM Initialization Check [Enabled]
CPU Load-line Calibration [Auto]
CPU Current Capability [Auto]
CPU Current Reporting Scale [Auto]
Core Voltage Suspension [Auto]
CPU VRM Switching Frequency [Auto]
VRM Spread Spectrum [Auto]
CPU Power Duty Control [T.Probe]
CPU Power Phase Control [Auto]
VDDSOC Load-line Calibration [Auto]
VDDSOC Current Capability [Auto]
VDDSOC Current Reporting Scale [Auto]
VDDSOC Switching Frequency [Auto]
VDDSOC Power Phase Control [Auto]
DRAM Current Capability [Auto]
DRAM Switching Frequency [Auto]
DRAM Power Phase Control [Extreme]
MISC Switching Frequency [Auto]
Performance Bias [None]
Clock Spread Spectrum [Auto]
Runtime BCLK OC [Auto]
BCLK1 Amplitude [Auto]
BCLK1 Slew Rate [Auto]
BCLK2 Amplitude [Auto]
BCLK2 Slew Rate [Auto]
1.8V PLL Voltage [Auto]
1.8V Standby Voltage [Auto]
Misc_ALW [Auto]
Chipset0 VDD Voltage [Auto]
Chipset1 VDD Voltage [Auto]
CPU 3.3V [Auto]
DDR_testA [Auto]
DDR_testB [Auto]
SMU_Comp1 [Auto]
SMU_Comp2 [Auto]
SMU_Comp3 [Auto]
R1 [Auto]
R2 [Auto]
R3 [Auto]
Sense MI Skew 1 [Auto]
Sense MI Skew 1 [Auto]
Sense MI Skew 2 [Auto]
Sense MI Skew 2 [Auto]
Sense MI Skew 3 [Auto]
Sense MI Skew 3 [Auto]
Sense MI Skew 4 [Auto]
Sense MI Skew 4 [Auto]
Raise RComp [Auto]
Dummy VOutA [Auto]
Dummy VOutB [Auto]
Algorithm 1 [Auto]
Algorithm 2 [Auto]
Algorithm 3 [Auto]
CCD Priority Memory Activity Threshold [1070]
CCD Priority Hysteresis [Auto]
Cooler Efficiency Customize [Keep Training]
Cooler Re-evaluation Algorithm [Normal]
Optimism Scale [100]
CPU Core Voltage [Auto]
CPU SOC Voltage [Manual Mode]
- VDDSOC Voltage Override [1.25000]
CPU VDDIO / MC Voltage [Manual Mode]
- VDDIO Override [1.32600]
Misc Voltage [Auto]
VDDP Voltage [Auto]
High DRAM Voltage Mode [Auto]
DRAM VDD Voltage [1.35000]
DRAM VDDQ Voltage [1.35000]
PMIC Force Continuous Current Mode [Auto]
PMIC Voltages [Sync All PMICs]
SPD HUB VLDO (1.8V) [Auto]
SPD HUB VDDIO (1.0V) [Auto]
Memory VDD Voltage [1.35000]
Memory VDDQ Voltage [1.35000]
Memory VPP Voltage [Auto]
Memory Voltage Switching Frequency [Auto]
Memory Current Capability [Auto]
Security Device Support [Enable]
SHA256 PCR Bank [Enabled]
Pending operation [None]
Platform Hierarchy [Enabled]
Storage Hierarchy [Enabled]
Endorsement Hierarchy [Enabled]
Physical Presence Spec Version [1.3]
Disable Block Sid [Disabled]
Firmware TPM switch [Enable Firmware TPM]
Erase fTPM NV for factory reset [Enabled]
Password protection of Runtime Variables [Enable]
PSS Support [Enabled]
NX Mode [Enabled]
SVM Mode [Enabled]
Above 4G Decoding [Enabled]
Resize BAR Support [Enabled]
SR-IOV Support [Disabled]
Legacy USB Support [Enabled]
XHCI Hand-off [Enabled]
USB Mass Storage Driver Support [Enabled]
U32G2_C2 [Enabled]
U32G2_3 [Enabled]
U32G2_4 [Enabled]
U32G2X2_C6 [Enabled]
U32G2_C10 [Enabled]
U32G2_8 [Enabled]
U32G2_9 [Enabled]
U32G1_E1 [Enabled]
U32G1_E2 [Enabled]
U32G1_E3 [Enabled]
U32G1_E4 [Enabled]
USB14 [Enabled]
USB15 [Enabled]
USB16 [Enabled]
USB17 [Enabled]
U32G2X2_C18 [Enabled]
U32G2_20 [Enabled]
U32G2_21 [Enabled]
U32G2_22 [Enabled]
U32G2_23 [Enabled]
Network Stack [Disabled]
Device [N/A]
SATA Controller(s) [Enabled]
SATA Mode [AHCI]
NVMe RAID mode [Disabled]
SMART Self Test [Enabled]
SATA6G_1 [Enabled]
SATA6G_1 Hot Plug [Disabled]
SATA6G_2 [Enabled]
SATA6G_2 Hot Plug [Disabled]
SATA6G_3 [Enabled]
SATA6G_3 Hot Plug [Disabled]
SATA6G_4 [Enabled]
SATA6G_4 Hot Plug [Disabled]
Restore AC Power Loss [Power Off]
ErP Ready [Disabled]
Max Power Saving [Disabled]
Power On By PCI-E [Disabled]
Power On By RTC [Disabled]
CPU PCIE ASPM Mode Control [Auto]
PCIEX16_1 Bandwidth Bifurcation Configuration [Auto Mode]
PCIEX16_2 Bandwidth Bifurcation Configuration [PCIE X8 Mode]
PCIE Gen5 Redriver Optimization [Disabled]
USB Audio Controller [Disabled]
Wi-Fi Controller [Enabled]
Bluetooth Controller [Disabled]
When system is in working state [Aura Only]
When system is in sleep, hibernate or soft off states [Stealth Mode]
When system is in working state [On]
When system is in sleep, hibernate or soft off states [Off]
When system is in working state [Off]
When system is in sleep, hibernate or soft off states [Off]
Intel LAN Controller [Disabled]
10G LAN Card [Disabled]
USB power delivery in Soft Off state (S5) [Enabled]
U32G2_C10 Type C Power Mode [Auto]
U32G2_C2 Type C Power Mode [Auto]
Alteration Mode Switch [PCIE Link Speed]
ASMedia Storage Controller [Disabled]
PCIEX16_1 Link Mode [Auto]
M.2_2 Link Mode [Auto]
PCIEX16_2 Link Mode [Auto]
M.2_1 Link Mode [Auto]
Chipset_1 Link Mode [Auto]
DIMM.2_1(Gen5) Link Mode [Auto]
DIMM.2_2(Gen4) Link Mode [Auto]
Chipset_2 Link Mode [Auto]
PCIEX4(G4) Link Mode [Auto]
Primary Video Device [PCIE Video]
Integrated Graphics [Disabled]
Global C-state Control [Auto]
IOMMU [Auto]
ECC [Auto]
SMT Control [Auto]
Core Performance Boost [Auto]
L1 Stream HW Prefetcher [Auto]
L2 Stream HW Prefetcher [Auto]
L1 Stride Prefetcher [Auto]
L1 Region Prefetcher [Auto]
L2 Up/Down Prefetcher [Auto]
Core Watchdog Timer Enable [Disabled]
Platform First Error Handling [Auto]
Opcache Control [Auto]
Streaming Stores Control [Auto]
Local APIC Mode [Auto]
ACPI _CST C1 Declaration [Auto]
MCA error thresh enable [Auto]
SMU and PSP Debug Mode [Auto]
PPIN Opt-in [Auto]
Enhanced REP MOVSB/STOSB [Enabled]
REP-MOV/STOS Streaming [Enabled]
Xtrig7 Workaround [Auto]
SNP Memory (RMP Table) Coverage [Auto]
SMEE [Auto]
Action on BIST Failure [Auto]
PAUSE Delay [Auto]
Power Supply Idle Control [Auto]
Memory interleaving [Auto]
Memory interleaving size [Auto]
DRAM map inversion [Auto]
Location of private memory regions [Auto]
ACPI SRAT L3 Cache As NUMA Domain [Auto]
Disable DF to external downstream IP Sync Flood Propagation [Auto]
Disable DF sync flood propagation [Auto]
Freeze DF module queues on error [Auto]
DF Cstates [Auto]
PSP error injection support [False]
Active Memory Timing Settings [Auto]
Processor CK drive strengths [Auto]
Processor CA drive strengths [Auto]
Processor CS drive strengths [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance RTT_NOM_WR [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance RTT_NOM_RD [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance RTT_WR [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance RTT_PARK [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance DQS_RTT_PARK [Auto]
Processor ODT impedance [Auto]
Processor DQ drive strengths [Auto]
Dram DQ drive strengths [Auto]
Power Down Enable [Auto]
Disable Memory Error Injection [Auto]
TSME [Auto]
Data Scramble [Auto]
Chipselect Interleaving [Auto]
Address Hash Bank [Auto]
Address Hash CS [Auto]
Address Hash Subchannel [Auto]
BankSwapMode [Auto]
DFE Read Training [Auto]
DRAM PDA Enumerate ID Programming Mode [Auto]
TX DFE Taps [Auto]
PPT Control [Auto]
MBIST Enable [Auto]
Memory Context Restore [Auto]
OC Recovery Fail Count [1]
PCIe ARI Support [Auto]
PCIe All Port ECRC [Auto]
Advanced Error Reporting (AER) [Auto]
PCIe ARI Enumeration [Auto]
PSPP Policy [Auto]
UMA Version [Auto]
GPU Host Translation Cache [Auto]
NB Azalia [Auto]
Audio IOs [Auto]
PCIe loopback Mode [Auto]
CPPC Dynamic Preferred Cores [Auto]
ECO Mode [Disable]
TDP Control [Auto]
PPT Control [Auto]
Thermal Control [Auto]
TDC Control [Auto]
EDC Control [Auto]
PROCHOT Control [Auto]
Fan Control [Auto]
VDDP Voltage Control [Auto]
Infinity Fabric Frequency and Dividers [Auto]
FEATURE FCLK DPM [Auto]
SyncFifo Mode Override [Auto]
GFXOFF [Auto]
CPU Temperature [Monitor]
CPU Package Temperature [Monitor]
MotherBoard Temperature [Monitor]
VRM Temperature [Monitor]
Chipset 1 Temperature [Monitor]
Chipset 2 Temperature [Monitor]
T_Sensor Temperature [Monitor]
Water In T Sensor Temperature [Monitor]
Water Out T Sensor Temperature [Monitor]
WB Temperature [Monitor]
DIMM A1 Temperature [Monitor]
DIMM A2 Temperature [Monitor]
DIMM B1 Temperature [Monitor]
DIMM B2 Temperature [Monitor]
CPU Fan Speed [Monitor]
CPU Optional Fan Speed [Monitor]
Chassis Fan 1 Speed [Monitor]
Chassis Fan 2 Speed [Monitor]
Radiator Fan 1 Speed [Monitor]
Radiator Fan 2 Speed [Monitor]
Water Pump+ 1 Speed [Monitor]
Water Pump+ 2 Speed [Monitor]
Flow Rate [Monitor]
WB Flow Rate [Monitor]
CPU Core Voltage [Monitor]
12V Voltage [Monitor]
5V Voltage [Monitor]
3.3V Voltage [Monitor]
CPU VDDIO / MC Voltage [Monitor]
HYDRANODE Fan Association [Enabled]
CPU Fan Q-Fan Control [PWM Mode]
CPU Fan Profile [Manual]
CPU Fan Step Up [Level 0]
CPU Fan Step Down [Level 0]
CPU Fan Speed Low Limit [200 RPM]
CPU Fan Point4 Temperature [100]
CPU Fan Point4 Duty Cycle (%) [100]
CPU Fan Point3 Temperature [80]
CPU Fan Point3 Duty Cycle (%) [55]
CPU Fan Point2 Temperature [70]
CPU Fan Point2 Duty Cycle (%) [50]
CPU Fan Point1 Temperature [20]
CPU Fan Point1 Duty Cycle (%) [50]
Chassis Fan 1 Q-Fan Control [PWM Mode]
Chassis Fan 1 Profile [Manual]
Chassis Fan 1 Q-Fan Source [MotherBoard]
Chassis Fan 1 Step Up [Level 0]
Chassis Fan 1 Step Down [Level 0]
Chassis Fan 1 Speed Low Limit [200 RPM]
Chassis Fan 1 Point4 Temperature [100]
Chassis Fan 1 Point4 Duty Cycle (%) [100]
Chassis Fan 1 Point3 Temperature [55]
Chassis Fan 1 Point3 Duty Cycle (%) [55]
Chassis Fan 1 Point2 Temperature [45]
Chassis Fan 1 Point2 Duty Cycle (%) [50]
Chassis Fan 1 Point1 Temperature [20]
Chassis Fan 1 Point1 Duty Cycle (%) [50]
Chassis Fan 2 Q-Fan Control [PWM Mode]
Chassis Fan 2 Profile [Manual]
Chassis Fan 2 Q-Fan Source [MotherBoard]
Chassis Fan 2 Step Up [Level 0]
Chassis Fan 2 Step Down [Level 0]
Chassis Fan 2 Speed Low Limit [200 RPM]
Chassis Fan 2 Point4 Temperature [100]
Chassis Fan 2 Point4 Duty Cycle (%) [100]
Chassis Fan 2 Point3 Temperature [55]
Chassis Fan 2 Point3 Duty Cycle (%) [70]
Chassis Fan 2 Point2 Temperature [45]
Chassis Fan 2 Point2 Duty Cycle (%) [65]
Chassis Fan 2 Point1 Temperature [20]
Chassis Fan 2 Point1 Duty Cycle (%) [65]
Radiator Fan 1 Q-Fan Control [PWM Mode]
Radiator Fan 1 Profile [Manual]
Radiator Fan 1 Q-Fan Source [CPU]
Radiator Fan 1 Step Up [Level 0]
Radiator Fan 1 Step Down [Level 0]
Radiator Fan 1 Speed Low Limit [200 RPM]
Radiator Fan 1 Point4 Temperature [100]
Radiator Fan 1 Point4 Duty Cycle (%) [100]
Radiator Fan 1 Point3 Temperature [80]
Radiator Fan 1 Point3 Duty Cycle (%) [55]
Radiator Fan 1 Point2 Temperature [70]
Radiator Fan 1 Point2 Duty Cycle (%) [50]
Radiator Fan 1 Point1 Temperature [20]
Radiator Fan 1 Point1 Duty Cycle (%) [50]
Radiator Fan 2 Q-Fan Control [PWM Mode]
Radiator Fan 2 Profile [Manual]
Radiator Fan 2 Q-Fan Source [CPU]
Radiator Fan 2 Step Up [Level 0]
Radiator Fan 2 Step Down [Level 0]
Radiator Fan 2 Speed Low Limit [200 RPM]
Radiator Fan 2 Point4 Temperature [100]
Radiator Fan 2 Point4 Duty Cycle (%) [100]
Radiator Fan 2 Point3 Temperature [80]
Radiator Fan 2 Point3 Duty Cycle (%) [70]
Radiator Fan 2 Point2 Temperature [70]
Radiator Fan 2 Point2 Duty Cycle (%) [65]
Radiator Fan 2 Point1 Temperature [20]
Radiator Fan 2 Point1 Duty Cycle (%) [65]
Water Pump+ 1 Q-Fan Control [PWM Mode]
Water Pump+ 1 Profile [Manual]
Water Pump+ 1 Q-Fan Source [CPU]
Water Pump+ 1 Step Up [Level 0]
Water Pump+ 1 Step Down [Level 0]
Water Pump+ 1 Speed Low Limit [Ignore]
Water Pump+ 1 Point4 Temperature [100]
Water Pump+ 1 Point4 Duty Cycle (%) [100]
Water Pump+ 1 Point3 Temperature [80]
Water Pump+ 1 Point3 Duty Cycle (%) [70]
Water Pump+ 1 Point2 Temperature [70]
Water Pump+ 1 Point2 Duty Cycle (%) [65]
Water Pump+ 1 Point1 Temperature [20]
Water Pump+ 1 Point1 Duty Cycle (%) [65]
Water Pump+ 2 Q-Fan Control [PWM Mode]
Water Pump+ 2 Profile [Manual]
Water Pump+ 2 Q-Fan Source [CPU]
Water Pump+ 2 Step Up [Level 0]
Water Pump+ 2 Step Down [Level 0]
Water Pump+ 2 Speed Low Limit [Ignore]
Water Pump+ 2 Point4 Temperature [100]
Water Pump+ 2 Point4 Duty Cycle (%) [100]
Water Pump+ 2 Point3 Temperature [80]
Water Pump+ 2 Point3 Duty Cycle (%) [70]
Water Pump+ 2 Point2 Temperature [70]
Water Pump+ 2 Point2 Duty Cycle (%) [65]
Water Pump+ 2 Point1 Temperature [20]
Water Pump+ 2 Point1 Duty Cycle (%) [65]
Launch CSM [Disabled]
OS Type [Other OS]
Secure Boot Mode [Custom]
Fast Boot [Disabled]
Boot Logo Display [Disabled]
POST Report [3 sec]
Bootup NumLock State [On]
Wait For 'F1' If Error [Enabled]
Option ROM Messages [Force BIOS]
Interrupt 19 Capture [Disabled]
AMI Native NVMe Driver Support [Enabled]
Setup Mode [Advanced Mode]
BIOS Image Rollback Support [Enabled]
Publish HII Resources [Disabled]
Flexkey [Reset]
Setup Animator [Disabled]
Load from Profile [1]
Profile Name [Adam1]
Save to Profile [1]
DIMM Slot Number [DIMM_A2]
Download & Install ARMOURY CRATE app [Disabled]
Download & Install MyASUS service & app [Disabled]
Special Display Features [Disabled]
D3Cold Support [Disabled]
Discrete GPU _DSM Function A [Disabled]
Discrete GPU _DSM Function B [Disabled]
NVIDIA DGPU Power Enable [Disabled]
Non-Eval Discrete GPU Support [Enabled]
Discrete GPU HPD Circuitry [OR Circuitry]
Discrete GPU's USB Port [Keep Default Setting]
Discrete GPU's SSID/SVID [Keep Default Setting]
Discrete GPU BOMACO Support [Disabled]
Thunderbolt / USB4 Support [Disabled]
Processor Aggregator Device [Enabled]
Core Count Control [Enabled]
SMT Control [Auto]
Active Memory Timing Settings [Auto]
Processor CA drive strengths [Auto]
Processor DQ drive strengths [Auto]
Processor ODT impedance [Auto]
Dram DQ drive strengths [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance RTT_NOM_WR [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance RTT_NOM_RD [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance RTT_WR [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance RTT_PARK [Auto]
Dram ODT impedance DQS_RTT_PARK [Auto]
Power Down Enable [Auto]
Infinity Fabric Frequency and Dividers [Auto]
UCLK DIV1 MODE [Auto]
Precision Boost Overdrive [Auto]
VDDG Voltage Control [Auto]
VDDP Voltage Control [Auto]
SoC/Uncore OC Mode [Auto]
SoC Voltage [0]
VDD Misc Control [Auto]
LCLK Frequency Control [Auto]
VDDIO Ctrl [Auto]
Enable Platform PMIC Control [Auto]
VPP Ctrl [Auto]

My 4090 is an MSI Gaming Trio with the 520W MSI Suprim X BIOS. My everyday overclocks on the 4090 average the following (boost clocks shown):

First up I ran Cyberpunk 2077 with the same settings as TechSpot. 1920x1080 with the Ultra Preset as the base then turning DLSS and FidelityFX off.

TechSpot results:


Horizon Zero Dawn at 1920x1080 with the Favor Quality Preset.

TechSpot results:


Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1920x1080 Highest preset with DLSS and FidelityFX off.

TechSpot results:

 

[Joe NYC]

Those DDR5-8000 speeds on Raptor Lake, that some people were taking for granted? The guy who is pretty much an authority on memory overclocking says it is impossible to have a stable build with Raptor Lake and DDR5-8000

 

[Kocicak]

... says it is impossible to have a stable build with Raptor Lake and DDR5-8000

Is not this speed way beyond the spec? Does it matter in any meaningful way?

 

[Joe NYC]

Is not this speed way beyond the spec? Does it matter in any meaningful way?

Some people are making an argument that Raptor Lake is faster than Zen 4, Zen 4 V-Cache and the only thing stopping Raptor Lake from being shown as the fastest processor is the evil reviewers who refuse to test it with DDR5-8000.

 

[KompuKare]

Some people are making an argument that Raptor Lake is faster than Zen 4, Zen 4 V-Cache and the only thing stopping Raptor Lake from being shown as the fastest processor is the evil reviewers who refuse to test it with DDR5-8000.

I guess those same people also expect reviewers to do LN2 suicide runs and show those scores as the norm!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Too long to watch. What was the max memory speed he achieved?

 

[Ranulf]

Wow, 10mins in and Buildzoid sounds a bit burned out on memory testing. Just a bit... heh.


From him in the video comments:

"8 motherboards 3 CPUs 3 Hynix A-die memory kits Absolute hell with every single combination if you decide to push them. "

 

[Kocicak]

I noticed that HWUB recently tested some CPUs with RAM kits tweaked to Buildzoid supplied settings. Are these settings fool proof, and will they work even on mediocre kit like this: KF560C36BBEK2-32 ?

 

[igor_kavinski]

3 CPUs 3 Hynix A-die memory kits

Only 3 of each? Come on Buildzoid, you can do better than that! Can't call it quits after just 3 of those.

 

[Joe NYC]

Too long to watch. What was the max memory speed he achieved?

8000 never passes a stress test, but can sometimes boot and do a quick bench. The reviewer tried to find alignment of the stars, tweaking every variable including the heatsink pressure, motherboards, RAM kits, but never found one that was stable enough to complete stress tests.

7600 similar to 8000, just slightly better.

He did not get into 7200, but that one seems achievable based on various review web sites able to run full suite of tests. 7200 seems like an upper limit for a system that is reasonably stable.

 

[A///]

8000 never passes a stress test, but can sometimes boot and do a quick bench. The reviewer tried to find alignment of the stars, tweaking every variable including the heatsink pressure, motherboards, RAM kits, but never found one that was stable enough to complete stress tests.

7600 similar to 8000, just slightly better.

He did not get into 7200, but that one seems achievable based on various review web sites able to run full suite of tests. 7200 seems like an upper limit for a system that is reasonably stable.

7200 is a number I've seen a lot but I've seen more at lower but not to lower speeds. DDR5 will have one of the shortest DDR periods if I'm not mistaken. It became available in 2021 to the masses and ddr6 will come out in 2026. 5 years vs the 7 years of ddr4. DDR3 became available in 2008 but came out the year before, 6 or 7 years. DDr6 is a big change compared to ddr5 much like ddr5 to ddr4.

 

[Joe NYC]

7200 is a number I've seen a lot but I've seen more at lower but not to lower speeds. DDR5 will have one of the shortest DDR periods if I'm not mistaken. It became available in 2021 to the masses and ddr6 will come out in 2026. 5 years vs the 7 years of ddr4. DDR3 became available in 2008 but came out the year before, 6 or 7 years. DDr6 is a big change compared to ddr5 much like ddr5 to ddr4.

By 2026, we will be well on the way of memory moving into CPU MCM package. The company (other than Apple, between Intel and AMD) that will be first to bring it to mass market cost effectively will be the big winner on client. And server also, using HBM.

Like Lisa Su said during her recent talk, MCM package is the new motherboard...

 

[A///]

By 2026, we will be well on the way of memory moving into CPU MCM package. The company (other than Apple, between Intel and AMD) that will be first to bring it to mass market cost effectively will be the big winner on client. And server also, using HBM.

Like Lisa Su said during her recent talk, MCM package is the new motherboard...

You could have led with AMD here. Gunslinger is still trying to get the lid on the pot at Intel.

 

[John Carmack]

Those DDR5-8000 speeds on Raptor Lake, that some people were taking for granted? The guy who is pretty much an authority on memory overclocking says it is impossible to have a stable build with Raptor Lake and DDR5-8000

No one should have been taking seriously any of the partisan contentions about RPL chips easily achieving high speed overclocks on most chips. No one should have seriously considered their thoughts about RPL being unfairly handicapped if not tested with such "easily" achieved overclocks. Lastly no one should believe there is an army of bad reviewers out there taking advantage of the memory situation and conspiring to leave vast amounts of RPL's performance on the table to prop up Zen 4 in their benchmark charts because there is virtually no difference to begin with.

 

[maddie]

No one should have been taking seriously any of the partisan contentions about RPL chips easily achieving high speed overclocks on most chips. No one should have seriously considered their thoughts about RPL being unfairly handicapped if not tested with such "easily" achieved overclocks. Lastly no one should believe there is an army of bad reviewers out there taking advantage of the memory situation and conspiring to leave vast amounts of RPL's performance on the table to prop up Zen 4 in their benchmark charts because there is virtually no difference to begin with.

Yet, they're almost certainly reading this and keeping quiet. Probably waiting for short term memory to be deleted.

 

[A///]

As I said earlier last night it seems to have to do with intel imc mt/s performance being very improved at slightly higher speeds with the roi falling short long after any sensible ram cost is established. In other words you could grab sensible performance if you could afford the higher stick prices that allowed you to further oc years ago. It simply isn't there with rpl. You're gaining 10-15 fps at best with a price differentials of several hundred dollars, and that's not including performance issues down the line if the build isn't stable to begin with at speeds in excess of 6600 mt/s.

The loudest vocal group aka the screeachers of performance figures will repeat like a messed up parrot or broken alarm all about the inside AMD advantage without facing reality. The imc on the ks processors is said to be better but I'm not expecting any marked improvement overall against at a high entry barrier cost that far exceeds the launch msrp of rpl base. What are these people going to say in a few generations when Intel goes full chiplet and relies on their interconnect designs to make it work. They'll quickly forget all the crit they gave AMD post zen+.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Free advice: Don't let former members that were the forum equivalent of userbenchmark live rent free in your heads. Though I do admit, it is hard not to enjoy a little Schadenfreude over seeing all of the nonsense they spewed being so thoroughly debunked.

Back on topic: Adam's benchmarks in post 433 are damned impressive. It is hard to resist the urge to build with Zen 4/3D. There was a 7900X for $300 in FS/FT and I almost PM'd on it when I saw it. Thing is, I seriously do not need it. I am not even pushing my present stuff to its limits 95% of the time. I am on my 2nd playthrough of Days Gone, and at 1080 max in the living room, the CPU and GPU are treating it like a tune up fight. What a well optimized game. Personally, I think it looks every bit as good as RDR2 but runs even better.

I let AC:Odyssey con me into upgrades to get smooth gameplay, not falling for that again. Meaning if Hogshardware or another game doesn't run right on my present setup, I'll dump the game instead of the hardware from now on. At most I'll grab a 5800X 3D down the road.

 

[igor_kavinski]

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Posted in relevant thread: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...lake-discussion-threads.2606448/post-40972561