Review Zen4 3D review thread

[Hitman928]

Thread to focus on Zen4 3D cache CPUs.

New gaming king (as most expected), though the 2 CCD 7950x3d does seem to have issues with some games, more than I would expect of it getting stuck on the "wrong" CCD. I imagine it will get cleared up with subsequent updates but we'll see. Simulated 7800X3D showed no such issues and overall has the gaming lead (real product might be slightly slower though depending on in game clocks).

Computerbase also has the 7950x3d as the gaming champ. They (and TPU) also show that efficiency while gaming is extremely good.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

Just to toot my own horn a little, it landed spot on with my prediction of fastest gaming CPU but not significantly so over a 13900k on average, but with much higher efficiency.

Additional reviews, will add more later.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor review

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review - Best of Both Worlds

The Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the spearhead of the AMD Zen 4 X3D lineup. In our performance review we test AMD's new 16-core flagship with dozens of applications and 14 games at up to 4K, to see whether AMD can take the performance crown from Intel, how power consumption is affected, and what can be...

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The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD's Fastest Gaming Processor

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Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Review: AMD Retakes Gaming Crown with 3D V-Cache

AMD takes a bite out of Raptor Lake.

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D review: Team Red retakes the lead with its best CPU ever

The AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is the best gaming CPU there is, and it's not close

www.techradar.com

 

[Asterox]

65 Watt limit? (which some mobo may be enforcing for A620, while others don't)

Different motherboards, it is not the same 65W TDP limit or up to 120W TDP limit for CPU.As example two Asrock motherboards, cheeper or the cheepest A620 model is up to 65W TDP CPU-s.

ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2

Supports AMD Socket AM5 Ryzen™ 8000 and 7000 Series Processors; 4+1+1 Power Phase, Dr.MOS; Supports DDR5 6400+ MHz (OC); 1 PCIe 4.0 x16, 2 PCIe 3.0 x1, 1 M.2 Key E for WiFi; Integrated AMD RDNA™ 2 Graphics<span style=color:red;>*</span>; Graphics Output Options: HDMI, DisplayPort; Realtek ALC897...

www.asrock.com

- 4+1+1 Power Phase

ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2+

Supports AMD Socket AM5 Ryzen™ 8000 and 7000 Series Processors; 6+1+1 Power Phase, Dr.MOS; Supports DDR5 7200+ MHz (OC); 1 PCIe 4.0 x16, 2 PCIe 3.0 x1, 1 M.2 Key E for WiFi; Integrated AMD RDNA™ 2 Graphics<span style=color:red;>*</span>; Graphics Output Options: HDMI, DisplayPort; Realtek ALC897...

www.asrock.com

- 6+1+1 Power Phase

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007625%20601413462&Order=1

Very strangely, Asrock does not have an exact support list for the Ryzen 7000 series.At least for these two cheep A620 motherboards, that's the current situation.But again, you can't expect much from only 4+1+1 Power Phase design.

In that Youtube test, they used this Gigabyte motherboard.

A620M GAMING X (rev. 1.0) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

- 8+2+1 Phases

As we see, blah that model even has support for 170W CPU-s.Gigabyte isn't that crazy, to fake support for CPUs up to 170W.

By some good logic, there is no logic that this motherboard does not have enough VRM power for R7 7800X3D.There is some other problem, maybe even Bios support or something similar related to Bios.

 

[AdamK47]

Decided to do some benchmark comparisons between my system and a reviewer's system with similar specs. I wanted an apples-to-apples comparison to see where my system stacks up. TechSpot reviewed the 7950X3D with an RTX 4090. The list of games they tested also noted the settings they used. I was able to use the same settings in three of those games: Cyberpunk 2077, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Shadow of the Tomb Raider. The OS I'm on is Windows 11 22H2.

My system is moderately overclocked while theirs is not. My 7950X3D is using a BCLK increase of 102MHz with PBO while my memory is running at 6200 with tweaked timings. These are my settings output from the BIOS:


My 4090 is an MSI Gaming Trio with the 520W MSI Suprim X BIOS. My everyday overclocks on the 4090 average the following (boost clocks shown):

First up I ran Cyberpunk 2077 with the same settings as TechSpot. 1920x1080 with the Ultra Preset as the base then turning DLSS and FidelityFX off.

TechSpot results:
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Horizon Zero Dawn at 1920x1080 with the Favor Quality Preset.

TechSpot results:
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Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1920x1080 Highest preset with DLSS and FidelityFX off.

TechSpot results:
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Got curious with the 7800X3D launch and decided to benchmark with the high frequency CCD disabled.

 

[biostud]

It is why I consider all the anti-consumer accusations silly. No one forced you to buy a 79 series 3D, and not wait for the 7800X3D. If you lack impulse control or failed to do the bare minimum of due diligence in understanding that it was going to launch months later, that's on you. No one lied to or manipulated you, you goofed because you didn't observe the ancient warning - Caveat Emptor. I know some disagree with me on the issue, and think I am a big meanie head. My response is that it's the third decade of the 21st century and the ability to make informed purchases is higher than it has ever been. There is no reasonable excuse for failing to do so.

As you wrote, this is unsurprising. Many of us have been saying it was the reason for low Zen 4 sales from day one. Knowing the 3D was coming, and in particular, the 7800X3D was partially responsible. Gamers wanting the best, were waiting for this release.

Cool to see cheap boards that perform well for gaming, hitting the market now too. Going to be able to do a killer gaming PC based around the 7800X3D without breaking the proverbial bank.

I completely agree. I think AMD would have prefered to launch the 3D cache chips q3'23, but the RPL happened forcing them to do something if they wanted to retain the gaming crown. As I've stated before I would have been fully happy with a 7700X and getting my computer up and running around new year, but knowing that the 3D cache models would come in february I saw no reason not to wait, and then they pulled the April launch date, but at that point I was not going back to a 7700X

 

[A///]

I'm not so sure. If they launched them alongside the regular chips from the start they would have made a lot of sales. Launching them in late 23 makes no sense because the rpl refresh rumors had been around for a while by that point. more likely is the 5800x3d was supposed to come out a lot earlier than they did release it but due to the pandemic everything got pushed back.

People here are ignoring the following facts:

1. lisa su said back during the launch event that x3d would come in early 2023. Raptor launched after zen 4.

2. su showed off the 5950x3d back in june 2021 @ computex. the 5800x3d came out in april 2022. Raptor meets Zen 4 and only aces it in a few categories but not by much. Zen 4 3d closes those gaps off and gives zen 4 a small bump over raptor. The raptor refresh by far and large won't make a difference that isn't hair splitting.

With mtl-s dropped intel's goal is arrowlake which supports a new p and e core architecture but is also a 1st gen product and may carry its own issues. zen 5 from what we know is still a single core design and era, with zen 6 being the differentiator but using roughly the same core and having smt.

 

[biostud]

I'm not so sure. If they launched them alongside the regular chips from the start they would have made a lot of sales. Launching them in late 23 makes no sense because the rpl refresh rumors had been around for a while by that point. more likely is the 5800x3d was supposed to come out a lot earlier than they did release it but due to the pandemic everything got pushed back.

People here are ignoring the following facts:

1. lisa su said back during the launch event that x3d would come in early 2023. Raptor launched after zen 4.

2. su showed off the 5950x3d back in june 2021 @ computex. the 5800x3d came out in april 2022. Raptor meets Zen 4 and only aces it in a few categories but not by much. Zen 4 3d closes those gaps off and gives zen 4 a small bump over raptor. The raptor refresh by far and large won't make a difference that isn't hair splitting.

With mtl-s dropped intel's goal is arrowlake which supports a new p and e core architecture but is also a 1st gen product and may carry its own issues. zen 5 from what we know is still a single core design and era, with zen 6 being the differentiator but using roughly the same core and having smt.

You might be rigth, but there is a possibility that they simply weren't ready to launch them earlier, and with intel finally getting back in the game they couldn't wait too long either.

 

[A///]

You might be rigth, but there is a possibility that they simply weren't ready to launch them earlier, and with intel finally getting back in the game they couldn't wait too long either.

Quite possibly but there was good indication of what raptor may have been when leaks began about 2 months before launch.

 

[Dave3000]

I right now have a system with a Ryzen 5800X, GTX 1080 Ti, Asus B550-F Strix motherboard, and 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16. I can easily afford to upgrade to a Ryzen 7800X3D, Asus X670E TUF Plus or an Asus B650E-E Strix, and 64GB DDR5-5200-6000. However, I've been thinking of just swapping out my 5800X with a 5800X3D and using the rest of my money towards a FE RTX 4080. I only care about X-Plane 12 and Flight Simulator 2020 performance, especially with 3rd party airliners. Should I just replace my CPU an GPU and skip the Zen 4 3D?

 

[A///]

I right now have a system with a Ryzen 5800X, GTX 1080 Ti, Asus B550-F Strix motherboard, and 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16. I can easily afford to upgrade to a Ryzen 7800X3D, Asus X670E TUF Plus or an Asus B650E-E Strix, and 64GB DDR5-5200-6000. However, I've been thinking of just swapping out my 5800X with a 5800X3D and using the rest of my money towards a FE RTX 4080. I only care about X-Plane 12 and Flight Simulator 2020 performance, especially with 3rd party airliners.

You again... I'd look at what the performance is like and see if it's worth your money to invest into am5. I am going to be the odd one out here and say you should remain and wait for Zen 5 to come out. You'd get your money's worth then imo.

 

[Dave3000]

You again... I'd look at what the performance is like and see if it's worth your money to invest into am5. I am going to be the odd one out here and say you should remain and wait for Zen 5 to come out. You'd get your money's worth then imo.

The cost of upgrading to a 5800X3D is not a big deal to me as I can just sell my 5800X.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The cost of upgrading to a 5800X3D is not a big deal to me as I can just sell my 5800X.

Yeah upgrade to 5800X3D first and see how you like it.

 

[Markfw]

Yeah upgrade to 5800X3D first and see how you like it.

But remember, especially in xplane, the 7800x3d or even 7900x3d will be a big jump in that game, even over a 5800x3d.

 

[A///]

I could barely follow what flight simulator was in his post after learning about it on here but what the heck is xplane? Another simulator? Is it new?

 

[Ranulf]

Xplane is another flight sim, been around for a long time. Xplane 11 is 6 years old, Xplane 12 came out last year. Both on steam.

 

[A///]

Xplane is another flight sim, been around for a long time. Xplane 11 is 6 years old, Xplane 12 came out last year. Both on steam.

Is Xplane the popular sim? My only exposure to flight simulators was the Microsoft one in the 90s either 95 or 98, and playing around on a Sega airline pilot in Vegas during a company retreat the April before 9/11. I can't remember if it was on the casino floor or in the arcade section but I'd spotted it from afar while eating some take out we'd gotten from the casino dining area. Very easy going. I was back the next year on another retreat and security was heavy. Life changed big time back then.

 

[biostud]

I right now have a system with a Ryzen 5800X, GTX 1080 Ti, Asus B550-F Strix motherboard, and 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16. I can easily afford to upgrade to a Ryzen 7800X3D, Asus X670E TUF Plus or an Asus B650E-E Strix, and 64GB DDR5-5200-6000. However, I've been thinking of just swapping out my 5800X with a 5800X3D and using the rest of my money towards a FE RTX 4080. I only care about X-Plane 12 and Flight Simulator 2020 performance, especially with 3rd party airliners. Should I just replace my CPU an GPU and skip the Zen 4 3D?

From a quick search around the web it doesn't seems like xplane benefits much from the extra cache while FS does.

 

[A///]

never mind.

I didn't realize flight simulator 2020 was the latest version.

 

[LightningZ71]

The X-Plane engine, at least version 11, handles memory management quite differently from MSFS.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The cost of upgrading to a 5800X3D is not a big deal to me as I can just sell my 5800X.

There are a lot of pros. It's cheaper than a platform upgrade. Significantly less work, since you are only swapping CPUs. In MSFS 2020 you will get a big performance boost. And you already have the correct cooling for it.

 

[A///]

There are a lot of pros. It's cheaper than a platform upgrade. Significantly less work, since you are only swapping CPUs. In MSFS 2020 you will get a big performance boost. And you already have the correct cooling for it.

And as I said to him upping to Zen 4 isn't going to be that amazing especially if he's got a route to an 5800x3d. Even I am sitting here wondering why I can't wait until next year and deal with my hot Intel platforms another year because the upfront cost is great, the performance is great but why not wait.

The story of the forever "I'll wait for the next thing" person. Waiting until the end of time. People make a meme of it but it used to almost feel like you could go to bed, wake up and find there's new stuff coming out soon! And you'd go to work, come back home, have dinner, connect to your dial up modem and find out there's even faster stuff coming out than what was announced that morning.

I had more written down but edited it out because I go off on wild memories and I'm sure I'm causing people to age or want to poke their eyes out.

 

[IEC]

He specifically said X-Plane, not MSFS.

Different apps, different performance profiles.

Though even there a 7900X3D (worst of this generation's X3D chips) slightly beats a 13900K:

 

[A///]

He specifically said X-Plane, not MSFS.

Different apps, different performance profiles.

Though even there a 7900X3D (worst of this generation's X3D chips) slightly beats a 13900K:

Not bad, the power improvement over the 13900k ranges from a meager 4 watts to 12 watts in most areas of the video. That may not seem like much, but yours truly read up on flight simulators and simulation. Apparently it's real time, which both shocks me and makes me question some peopel's sanity. Now, get this, this is the crazy thing. I did the math, and if someone who is retired which seems to be most simmers since it attracts mostly and older and affluent crowd, is those wattages add up every day and every year. There is real cost savings to be had with AMD. Further tuning and BIOS updates may reign in even more excess power. The possibilities are endless. Although the intel does seem fine if you don't want to pay extra for a space heater or enjoy warm air wafting over your woolen sock covered feet.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I only care about X-Plane 12 and Flight Simulator 2020 performance, especially with 3rd party airliners. Should I just replace my CPU an GPU and skip the Zen 4 3D?

He specifically said X-Plane, not MSFS.

What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

 

[IEC]

What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

I missed a "just" after the not. Mea culpa.

 

[blckgrffn]

I built a MSFS/XPLANE simulator build last year when the 5800X3D was the champ. The person buying it was extremely pleased with how it ran with a 3090ti.

I suggest giving it a go and upping your GPU to at least the 4080 or a 3090/ti to get the vram on the nvidia side.

Having the cpu "sip" power to allow your GPU to enter rage mode without having a massive power sink is also worth noting, IMO. You can tune your case airflow to cater to the GPU and not worry too much about the CPU/VRM area.

You aren't going to go wrong with a x3D chip. How nice is that?

 

[moinmoin]

Though even there a 7900X3D (worst of this generation's X3D chips) slightly beats a 13900K:

It's interesting to watch that not only does the CPU consume less power, the GPU does that as well all while delivering slightly more FPS.