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Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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ToTTenTranz said:
Wouldn't this be Zen6?

What's missing on Zen5? Desktop Strix Point?
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I'm 99% sure this is not Zen6.

I hope its a refresh of Granite Ridge (updated IO-die?) to fight with the Arrow Lake refresh which are on the door-steps, and not just Gorgon Point like i fear.
(and this would pretty much be our only hope for a dual v-cache CCD "9960X3D")

Like i said in the other thread regarding new G.SKILL memory releasing q3'ish for new unnamed CPU's
Det0x said:
Thats also possible, but i would think its strange that G.SKILL would "dedicate R&D resources to develop memory" for such an lowend part 😴
The Trident NEO X name would seem to indicate something faster (X as in "extreme")
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So hopefully not just a new AM5 APU with castrated cache like the 8000 series
8700G/F already does 10k memspeed without cudimm, but since the performance is just not there, so i dont see much point/hype for gorgon point with cudimm support, if thats the only thing we're getting.
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There is no real progress in DRAM access latency, only progress in DRAM transfer speeds. (E.g. CUDIMM.)
In the client segment, higher transfer speeds are good to have for GPUs/ iGPUs, but not as big a deal for CPUs.
 
StefanR5R said:
There is no real progress in DRAM access latency, only progress in DRAM transfer speeds. (E.g. CUDIMM.)
In the client segment, higher transfer speeds are good to have for GPUs/ iGPUs, but not as big a deal for CPUs.
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Higher transfer speeds help with effective latency.
 
OK, I got my Tongfang Aistone X6FR558Y, which is known more as the XMG Neo 16 AMD model, or, like in my case, PC Specialist Recoil 16 AMD. I configured it with the RTX 5080 mobile with 16 Gbytes of GDDR7 and 64 GBytes of RAM. As with all the laptops, there is a strong influence of the device design so before telling about the CPU I would spend a couple words about the system. My previous laptop was still a Tongfang, but it was the model 2023 (with the I9 13900HX) which did not satisfy me because the build quality was poor, especially the keyboard and the plastic chassis were not adequate to the category of the product, and I had to send it back more than a time because there was some incompatibility issue between the screen mounted and the RTX4080 on board, which caused literally the screen to fail. Yep, you read it correctly: the screen failed more than one time, with the bottom third of the screen becoming unreadable. I vowed to not buy again a barebone, but then I saw a friend of mine getting the model 2024 and it was leaps and bounds what I got just one year earlier. I also had the possibility to see one prototype of the AMD version for this year and I gave Tongfang another chance. Now, I got my system and in these days the positive impression has been confirmed, but there are some caveats, for me they are minor but nevertheless some other people could find these annoying.

Let's go with the pluses:

- Build quality. What was really bad two years ago is very good today. The chassis is in metal, very sturdy, and you really FEEL the amount of metal used for the cooling system, as well. The keyboard was horrible on the previous model but in this one it is very good and with a good layout.

- Performance. This thing is fast, even if I am using no liquid cooling system, no clean Windows install (I forgot to take the benches before installing a bunch of things) the benches are very good, even in balanced mode. Cooling is good and when using balanced settings is practically silent at idle and you can start to hear the noise only with heavy gaming.

- Price. I got mine for 3.3K€ which is not a low price in absolute, but it is quite OK for the machine I got, especially with 64 gigs of RAM and 5 Terabytes total of SSD space.

- Screen: while there are for sure better screen around, this one is really good, it is a Mini-LED with 300Hz refresh rate and HDR. It has no G-Sync but frankly I don't miss it.

- Power adapter: with 420W nominal you'd think to get a brick needing its own trolley. In reality it's a power supply which uses SiC power components and it's literally half the size and weight of my previous 330W adapter.


And now the cons:

- Weight. While I don't care until it goes over 4Kg, this thing is not a lightweight. It's almost 3Kgs and while the power brick evens the total weight with the previous versions, it may annoy someone. BTW, a lot of weight went in the cooling system.

- No Wi-Fi 7 on the AMD model. Why? Who knows. there is a slot for the WiFi card, but for some reasons it seems there are not yet WiFi 7 cards compatible with this model. So you have to do with WiFi 6E. To me it's not a big issue, for other people it may be a show stopper. But practically all the other AMD Fire range notebooks out there have WiFi 7 support.

- No USB4. This is really strange because if it was Thunderbolt support only missing, it would have been fair game. But there are plenty of AMD systems with USB4 and even the middle range MSI models have two. Again, I don't understand the reason for this choice. To me it' not a big issue (also, display port is supported, but USB-C is limited to 3.2) but it's definitely a minus.

- Power supply has a short cable going from the brick to the laptop. This is quite annoying, as it asks for you to some compromises in the placement. I will try to get a longer wall-side cable to compensate someway.


And now, about the performance. First of all as I said the laptop utilization feels very smooth already in balanced mode. Please also note that as said the installation was not completely clean and I did not tune the laptop at all.

CPU-Z:
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Cinebench 2024 Balanced:

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Cinebench 2024 Extreme And with A/C turned on as today there are 32 °C in the room otherwise):

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Timespy balanced:

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Timespy Extreme:

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Firestrike balanced:

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Firestrike Extreme:

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All the 3Dmark runs were done without A/C.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
www.techradar.com

This weird little Ryzen rack server could ruin AMD’s carefully planned EPYC business empire

MS-S1 Max is the AI rebel server AMD didn’t want, but might have to live with
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com

Sensationalist headline. No way anyone can go rogue like that without AMD taking serious action against them.
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AMD can’t really do anything about it.
poke01 said:
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So Lenovo is offering a mini pc Strix halo. My new theory is that it’s easy for OEMs to dump Halo into a mini pc and call it a day.

Laptops are different cause more of thermal, heat and noise constraints. Also battery life etc. That one HP Strix Halo laptop suffered from poor battery optimisation.
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Nice! After I am through this current rough patch, I hope to pick up a strip halo mini-PC and make a steam machine out of it.
StefanR5R said:
No matter what you do to the bus, at its end there are still the same old DRAM cells sitting.
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Yes, but AMD’s bus speeds are a part of the latency issue. Raising the clocks can drop latency drastically. My chip can go to 2,133mhz, but others have gotten up to 2,200mhz+. Each step up I have taken shaved a good chunk off memory latency while increasing bandwidth. I am curious where the fall-off would be.
 
leoneazzurro said:
Performance. This thing is fast
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leoneazzurro said:
Cooling is good and when using balanced settings is practically silent at idle and you can start to hear the noise only with heavy gaming.
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death of the desktop!!@ called it nobody here was believing me lolll

basically 9955HX3D + 5070ti 12gb + great laptop chassis is literally 2k dollaroos, it is the ultimate machine...... 5070ti-m performs similar to 4080m which is very strong

I'm still configuring mine and will post soon
 
fastandfurious6 said:
death of the desktop!!@ called it nobody here was believing me lolll

basically 9955HX3D + 5070ti 12gb + great laptop chassis is literally 2k dollaroos, it is the ultimate machine...... 5070ti-m performs similar to 4080m which is very strong

I'm still configuring mine and will post soon
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But when the noise starts, you'll need the headphones for sure.
Also, desktops will be faster and they give options to get the fastest GPUs and CPUs.
But, if you need to game on the couch, like me, these are the only option (and I am satisfied with it).
 
leoneazzurro said:
But when the noise starts, you'll need the headphones for sure.
Also, desktops will be faster and they give options to get the fastest GPUs and CPUs.
But, if you need to game on the couch, like me, these are the only option (and I am satisfied with it).
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He will continue to pretend there are not significant compromises or tradeoffs that make a behemoth 6lb+ laptop with desktop parts shoe-horned in a non-starter for the majority of people.

It fits a small set of use cases, and when you have one of them it serves it well and you're willing to accept those tradeoffs.
 
fastandfurious6 said:
there's near-parity in CPU now between mobile/desktop
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If you consider 100W CPUs mobile, yes. But those monstrous gamer craptops are not considered by most people to be real laptops. More like luggables.
Strix Point and Strix Halo are the real "high end" of mobiles and they are not near-parity. Ranges are just the darned desktop parts. Screaming desktop is dead while buying a desktop part crammed into a semi-portable form factor is peak crap-posting. Hopefully it's ironic.
 
gdansk said:
desktop is dead
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yes it is! on its way out

again the only real main "option" desktop gives you in 2025 is the huge GPU brick

gdansk said:
those monstrous gamer craptops
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this is the problem and absurdity I see here with many users:
a hardcoded and outdated image of what a "top end laptop" is

basically the image you have in your head does not correspond with reality in 2025


gdansk said:
Strix Point and Strix Halo are the real "high end" of mobiles and they are not near-parity
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StxPoint no, not worth the upgrade over Phoenix
StxHalo yes, high end
9950X ~= Halo ~= 9955HX
difference is in the range of ~10% so yes, near-parity is real
main benefit of Halo = optimized low power modes bc of superior interconnect hardware
 
fastandfurious6 said:
this is the problem and absurdity I see here with many users:
a hardcoded and outdated image of what a "top end laptop" is

basically the image you have in your head does not correspond with reality in 2025
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Nope, it's a fact. Go look at the noise levels and battery life in any review of a Range laptop. You're buying a partially 6nm MCM monstrosity with high pj/b interconnects in 2025 for $$$$. Not a mobile part at all. Even if you're tuning it's still a Zen 5 desktop part forced where it hardly belongs.

DTR is a niche. Hawk, Strix and Kraken are the mobile volume parts and you're talking about niche desktops with batteries killing niche desktops because it's all you can buy as a gamer kid.

And the best actually mobile part AMD makes - Strix Halo - is closer in 1T and nT to the 7900X than the 9950X3D.
 
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