Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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LightningZ71

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Fire Range will likely have the highest ST available in mobile and will be the one with the dGPUs at the top end of the market. Strix Halo doesn't have the PCIe lanes for a dGPU with competitive available lanes left for storage, etc.
 

Glo.

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A detail that is not hasardous :


Now we know why Nvidia wanted to buy ARM, and why they are designing their own SOC chips.
 

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MS_AT

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Strix Halo doesn't support dGPUs.
We still don't know if it will support dGPUs via USB4 (not sure why it should not but yeah), at least the fact that asus refreshed its mobile dgpu together with z13 suggests it might be possible, but its a guess work until we get a confirmation.
Use dGPU when plugged in. More flexibility.
So external dGPU will do just as fine;)
 

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I'm just glad we moved away from CRTs. Lugging my 17" Sony Vivitron monitor around was a real PITA...

edit: Yes, I realize that the Vivitron was actually Gateway branded. My computer at the time was still living in it's original Gateway 2000 case as well. Inside, it was completely a Sony Trinitron 17 inch monitor weighing more than a toddler or mid sized dog...
 
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fastandfurious6

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I really hope more Strix Halo systems get announced soon. I’m personally hoping for a thicker Thinkpad or other system with a giant battery. I’m a bit disappointed that everything is a thin and light so far.

This is going to be huge

OLED HALO THINKPAD ~2kg 16-18inch will truly be king of laptops

#1 cpu 9950x in laptop ✅
#1 AI up to 128gb ✅
#top 'productivity/work' ✅
#all games 1080p ultra ✅
#best chassis ever ✅
#thinkpoint nipple ✅

instant buy at $2k

will also demolish any need for other so-called "workstation laptops" unless direct nvidia/cuda is needed

no idea what AMD mobile product team thought about 13 inch ULW being the right 'segment' for halo...
they're wrong
 

fastandfurious6

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realistically if they follow pricing history it must be around $2k for average model, MAX $3k

if 9955hx + 5060 laptops start from like $1.4k , similar perf, why would Halo start at $3k? hmmmm
 

Abwx

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We still don't know if it will support dGPUs via USB4 (not sure why it should not but yeah), at least the fact that asus refreshed its mobile dgpu together with z13 suggests it might be possible, but its a guess work until we get a confirmation.

So external dGPU will do just as fine;)
Apparently it wont.

 

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Apparently it wont.
The way I read the question: "Will it be possible to use PCIe lanes to attach USB4 chipset", the way I see the answer "We are trying to handle everything off the chip (IOD) itself". After all Strix Point supports USB4 and afaik allows tunneling of PCIe. Why they would strip this functionality from Halo. I mean HP mini PC is advertising "USB4-C 40 Gb/s/TBT4". But in the end I guess we will find out, when it is out ;)
 

fastandfurious6

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nah mate x13 rogflow is a wrong choice for the target segment

those who know Halo will still buy it but it wont really reach out to the real target segment

it needs 14-16-18 inch thinkpads labeled as powerful workstations while more lightwieght

but lenovo is on intel camp for some reason... weird
 
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Abwx

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The way I read the question: "Will it be possible to use PCIe lanes to attach USB4 chipset", the way I see the answer "We are trying to handle everything off the chip (IOD) itself". After all Strix Point supports USB4 and afaik allows tunneling of PCIe. Why they would strip this functionality from Halo. I mean HP mini PC is advertising "USB4-C 40 Gb/s/TBT4". But in the end I guess we will find out, when it is out ;)

As i understand their vision they want to make some sort of closed system like Apple, at least on the hardware side of things.


but lenovo is on intel camp for some reason... weird

Lenovo and HP are the bigger buyers of AMD APUs, you are surely confusing with Dell wich is essentialy some kind of Intel s manufacturing subcontractor.

On another note the Intel + Nvidia laptop used as comparison by AMD for Strix Halo has a 80W GPU, 65W + 15W boost, and it show at NBC review with the GPU only Furmark test getting the whole laptop at 115W sustained, wich is indicative of a 80W GPU.
 
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Joe NYC

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Subramony's statement is not entirely conclusive whether the same or a different chip is used. But if the Strix Halo CCDs are a different line of chips, where do the bins go which don't make it for Strix Halo? (Are its chip design and manufacturing shared with Turin?)

That was how I understood it too. So perhaps a dual interface on the CCD that could either be placed on RDL, bypassing SerDes or can get the microbumps to be placed directly on the organic substrate and use SerDes.
 

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Anyone here with views in Chinese market to know when Mechrevo 9955hx laptops become available?

They seem to be the best set of features by far and ironicaly the cheapest as well

China numba wan!