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adroc_thurston
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Strix has 5 times the design volume of Hamoa so they don't need to.
Strix Point is like the top end of that range and higher. Halo's gonna be more than that.
Hail The Brain Slug
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APU only models don't seem like they're going much over that. Anything priced toward $2000+ range is Strix Point + dGPU (4070 tier), so I'd expect strix halo designs to be priced in that area since the dGPU performance should probably be somewhere around 4070 range.
I mean maybe $1999 for the 128gb models, $999 for 16gb units. With all sorts of various form factor pricing within.
I mean when I look at amazon, 4080 laptops are under 2k, thats a lot silicon you get on one device, I see no reason to assume they're gonna price the chip so high when it really shouldn't be too big area wise at the end. 2x CPU chiplets and a IO/GPU chiplet the size of a midrange GPU isn't a crazy cost factor to AMD.
Its like, they could price the 9950x at $999, but they won't because they know it wouldn't sell. Why would AMD or the OEMs try to sell 4060 level performance at 4090 prices? they wouldn't.
Also strix point is definitely the successor to phoenix, as time goes on its gonna get quite cheap.
Maybe, krk is the cheap part though? To me I'd prefer strix GPU less, the point of it for me is that it has very decent GPU performance and stellar CPU performance with decent battery. Why bother with the GPU, I want powerful glue though (in the laptop space, it's pointless in desktop)
Kraken 1and 2(bin) are more really the true successors to Hawk Point/Phoenix SKUs. Strix Point is meant to be a cut above.
Another GB6 ES run.
Frequency is reported properly this time, so we're looking at production samples to score around 2950-3000, just like Huang said.
So yeah, if you want ST, Apple is still the only way to go.
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00014511B - Geekbench
Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00014511B with an AMD Eng Sample: 100-000000994-37_Y processor.
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Frequency is reported properly this time, so we're looking at production samples to score around 2950-3000, just like Huang said.
So yeah, if you want ST, Apple is still the only way to go.
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Det0x
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Kinda strange its only these these laptops scores thats leaking online, Ryzen 9000 series have been out in the wild 2-3 weeks already and so far airtight
Guess they haven't learned that geekbench is a big no no since you dont get a result if score are not uploaded uploaded automatically
(except GB3
)
Guess they haven't learned that geekbench is a big no no since you dont get a result if score are not uploaded uploaded automatically
(except GB3
)
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DT CPUs remain at AMD, so ASUS could not leak themKinda strange its only these these laptops scores thats leaking online, Ryzen 9000 series have been out in the wild 2-3 weeks already and so far airtight
Guess they haven't learned that geekbench is a big no no since you dont get a result if score are not uploaded uploaded automatically
(except GB3
Det0x
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No they are not... If that were the case people would be in for lots of gray hairs come releaseday thanks to hordes of gemlings in RC agesaDT CPUs remain at AMD, so ASUS could not leak them
The curve is shaped a certain way
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The gains seems tangible, looking to beat 7950X scores with Strix 5.1G but in the current context not great either.
I think based on David Huangs assessment, some unknowns wrt DT in terms of halved SIMD throughput
There is also the case of the reduced op cache, additionally the compiler patches indicated reduced FADD cycles but seems David is saying increased FADD latencies.
Just scaling the clock would put the GB6 DT scores of ~3500@5.7G without any contributions from the elimination of reduced SIMD throughput.
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I only superficially followed the discussion about David Huang's posts, and now I realize I may have gotten the wrong impression based on incomplete reading. Assuming David's info is accurate, how many Zen5 cores are there? Are we talking about Zen 5 desktop, Zen 5 mobile, and then two corresponding variants for Zen 5C?
My initial impression was that Zen 5C was the one with reduced SIMD throughput and different cache implementation.
It seems mobile gets halved SIMD throughput which means equal to Zen4 more or less.
For the record, here is the Google translated David's Huang blog page.
Just because I keep on forgetting where it is
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I am not a Chinese speaker so Google Translate could have failed me
It seems both the Mobile Zen5 and Zen5c have reduced SIMD throughput.
Youth Edition Big core
Reduced op cache is an observation he made, it is unclear if the GNR would also have the same op cache size.
For this tidbit I hope there is some BIOS option to play around
I checked the patches, the decreased latency is for something else
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Yeah we know ES perf already.
Retail Si on retail software is what matters, still no good info there.
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I think Zen 5 X3D chips is where the magic is this gen for desktop.
AMD has a found a gold mine with V-cache. DIY is mostly gaming anyway. I also do think AM5 is better as it will get Zen 6 where as LGA 1851 is looking like its getting only Arrow lake and Arrow refresh.
AMD has a found a gold mine with V-cache. DIY is mostly gaming anyway. I also do think AM5 is better as it will get Zen 6 where as LGA 1851 is looking like its getting only Arrow lake and Arrow refresh.
Comparing that 5.1GHz Strix ST result to a random Hawk Point@5.1GHz doesn't look mighty impressive:
Is this fine? Different TDPs shouldn't matter for ST, right?
Is this fine? Different TDPs shouldn't matter for ST, right?
Individual subtests are pretty consistent with a non-ES run from a few weeks ago.
STX is running at 4.85 GHz. But you're right in the sense that it looks mid.
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I've linked this a few pages ago.
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