Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

Dell no, rest yea.

Ugh. Guess Dell is busy counting the bags of money Intel sent to them.

 

[Mahboi]

Dell no, rest yea.

Wait I could've sworn that was "Lenovo no" before.
Was there a stealth edit or am I finally going insane?

 

[Abwx]

Ugh. Guess Dell is busy counting the bags of money Intel sent to them.

"You cant make better friends than Dell", that was from an Intel rep.

If Strix is that good then AMD should allocate them no more than the 3% AMD chips they are using in their laptops, that wouldnt be a big loss, better to supply the chips left to the numerous chinese OEMs like Framework, Ayaneo and other Minisforum.

How come Lenovo is late to the party?
They're usually not the latest on getting AMD stuff out.

It s just that the leakers are not aware of their designs.

 

[leoneazzurro]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1787500293384757264

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Lisa - "We're seeing faster ramp up and more designs than Hawk in the same timeframe"

@adroc_thurston "They wouldn’t be getting so many design wins if the product wasn't good."

That's a very strong line-up. Even managed to get some ASUS ProArt wins (Usually Intel dominated). Lenovo, HP, Dell and Acer will probably follow with huge portfolio of design wins for Strix. Computex will be nice.

But not one of them with the 4080 or 4090, even in the Zephyrus form (Intel based G16 got up to 4090).
Not sure what to think about that. It's quite probable to see Asus's Strix line with Strix Point. But the absence of at least a 4080 on the lesser models is inexplicable.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Wait I could've sworn that was "Lenovo no" before.

Dell doesn't have the designs but yeah Lenovo refresh window doesn't quite align with STX1.

If Strix is that good then AMD should allocate them no more than the 3% AMD chips they are using in their laptops, that wouldnt be a big loss, better to supply the chips left to the numerous chinese OEMs like Framework, Ayaneo and other Minisforum

Dell just doesn't have the designs for Strix.

 

[Mahboi]

Good point. They might be testing the waters, or might be unwilling to drop the zeitgeist of "Intel strongest, most watts, bestest best". Or Nvidia is opposing it somehow.
I would worry about it more if they don't have a single one by Christmas.

 

[Abwx]

Dell just doesn't have the designs for Strix.

Guess that AMD didnt even send them a test plateform, first thing they would have done is to call their Intel buddies to give them full access to check the beast s numbers.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Guess that AMD didnt even send them a test plateform, first thing they would have done is to call their Intel buddies to give them full access to check the beast s numbers.

No, they just don't have the designs for Strix.
It's that simple.

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

But not one of them with the 4080 or 4090, even in the Zephyrus form (Intel based G16 got up to 4090).
Not sure what to think about that. It's quite probable to see Asus's Strix line with Strix Point. But the absence of at least a 4080 on the lesser models is inexplicable.

I guess we're still locked at Renoir era practices of matching the AMD chip with low/mid-end dGPU.

Dell doesn't have the designs but yeah Lenovo refresh window doesn't quite align with STX1.

Make sense. Lenovo usually refresh their designs around CES.

Dell just doesn't have the designs for Strix.

Guess that AMD didnt even send them a test plateform, first thing they would have done is to call their Intel buddies to give them full access to check the beast s numbers.

Dell probably exchanged Strix for a discounted Lunar supply from Intel😂

 

[dr1337]

Or maybe some OEMs don't care about being first and its just not a conspiracy?

 

[Joe NYC]

We'll see, but I've heard more than once about these magical explosions of AMD sales in server, and it's been a slow grind. Wouldn't be surprised if it's just as slow a grind in laptops.
There might also be other consequences if Intel really is starting to break apart openly.

The server market is (roughly) divided into the cloud and enterprise. Cloud guys are buying the CPUs based on technical capabilities, performance / price, TCO. In this segment AMD already exceeded 50% (in the US) last year.

Enterprise market is mired in corruption. The steady stream of box seats tickets for the local sports team probably has higher weight in brand decision than any technical parameter of the product. Intel thrives in this environment.

In gaming, PCs, you can see similar divide. Knowledgeable DIY buyers tend to gravitate to AMD, buyers of OEM gaming systems, like Alienware, end up with system decided between Intel Sales Rep and Dell purchasing rep.

Alienware offering 14900 CPUs but no 7800x3d CPUs is a self evident example of how corrupt this relationship is, and again corruption is where Intel thrives.

As far as notebook segment, I am afraid it is more similar to Alienware example than DIY example, which makes it hard to predict.

There may be a point when it becomes an embarrassment to be associated with Intel (and Alienware may be the first to find out), and then, bigger market shifts may take place.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Ugh. Guess Dell is busy counting the bags of money Intel sent to them.

Best friend money can buy.

 

[biostud]

Plenty of people with no technical knowledge buy these computers for themselves or their children. Here is one more:

https://www.hp.com/nl-nl/shop/product.aspx?id=9J0B2EA&opt=ABH&sel=DTP

I'm wondering who would use 5000€ on standard computer instead of buying a custom,.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Enterprise market is mired in corruption. The steady stream of box seats ticket for the local sports team probably has higher weight in brand decision than any technical parameter of the product. Intel thrives in this environment.

File a corruption report.

 

[Abwx]

I'm wondering who would use 5000€ on standard computer instead of buying a custom,.

There are people who buy 20 000$ watches, and even 200 000 $ ones, so a 5000$ PC....

 

[biostud]

There are people who buy 20 000$ watches, and even 200 000 $ ones, so a 5000$ PC....

Collecters items sure I can somewhat understand, if you have the money. But buying overpriced of the rack systems?
Also a custom PC in that price range is fine if you have the cash.

 

[Joe NYC]

File a corruption report.

The discussion was about how much market share Zen 5 can gain (if it is as good as people say).

Intel's anticompetitive practices vs. technical capabilities of the products were brought up only in relevance to that. Intel has been under investigation in number for countries. You can look it up. But that's not topic of this thread.

 

[Fjodor2001]

The discussion was about how much market share Zen 5 can gain (if it is as good as people say).

Intel's anticompetitive practices vs. technical capabilities of the products were brought up only in relevance to that. Intel has been under investigation in number for countries. You can look it up. But that's not topic of this thread.

It was this that you wrote which I commented on:

Enterprise market is mired in corruption. The steady stream of box seats ticket for the local sports team probably has higher weight in brand decision than any technical parameter of the product. Intel thrives in this environment.

So if they have been found guilty of corruption, I assume they have been convicted and it should not be a problem any longer?

 

[Abwx]

So if they have been found guilty of corruption, I assume they have been convicted?

Yes, in the EU Intel was condemned and fined for anti competitive practices at the retailers level., and btw i knew it years before the trial from the very retailer that testimoned in this case, an employee explained me how they were bribed.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Yes, in the EU Intel was condemned and fined for anti competitive practices at the retailers level.

Ok, so problem solved?

Or is there any problem with corruption remaining currently, and if so why not file a new corruption report?

 

[Abwx]

Ok, so problem solved?

Or is there any problem with corruption remaining currently, and if so why not file a new corruption report?

Not solved, temporarly closed but you wont keeping someone who drink from being drunk again, that s an addiction, to tell it in short terms no bribes no Intel.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Not solved, temporarly closed but you wont keeping someone who drink from being drunk again, that s an addiction, to tell it in short terms no bribes no Intel.

It does seem like when this kind of behavior is publicly exposed and prosecuted (either legally or by the free market), the companies never stop - They just tone it down and get better at hiding it.

 

[Aapje]

I'm wondering who would use 5000€ on standard computer instead of buying a custom,.

The same people who think that Beats headphones are the best and buy those, who eat at Salt Bae's restaurants, who buy the 'best hotas' in the Trustmaster Warthog, etc.

 

[Abwx]

It does seem like when this kind of behavior is publicly exposed and prosecuted (either legally or by the free market), the companies never stop - They just tone it down and get better at hiding it.

Such tricky firms are always a shot forward in respect of regulation entities, just look at Dell, they include 3% AMD chips in their laptops, if they used none that would appear as suspicious and could trigger some investigation, so they put a tiny amount as a cover.

That was exactly what the european retailer that testimoned against intel did, in his shops you would find one AMD laptop out of 100 PCs on the shelves, when i asked an employ about that low number despite the Athlon XP being better than the early P4s he explained me the bribery scheme.

 

[Thibsie]

I'm wondering who would use 5000€ on standard computer instead of buying a custom,.

The only reason I could find was of the warranty behind it is rock solid. Years ago, I had a bit of.money laying around and bought a laptop which was for work and for hobby (photography). The thing cost me quite a bit.
But replacement in 24h anywhere is the kind of service I'm willing to pay for if needed.

Maybe, in the case you brought, people just don't want to customize a thing and prefer to warrant it.to an OEM rather than a piece of GPU or RAM to its vendor ?