Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Mahboi]

So what portion of Zen 5 revenue will come from >=300W parts?

All of it. Sonoma Valley Zen5c 4 cores is 400W.
Intel cannot be allowed to continue unimpeded.

 

[Wolverine2349]

And you were told that you'd get a good uplift in gaming performance with Zen 5 on DT. But you're not going to get a bespoke CCD that can't be reused on either server or mobile. Because DIY PC is a niche market.

And because it's an enthusiast forum, parts going into 50L+ boxes are ultimately not very interesting.

They are very interesting to those in this thread.

Wonder how good uplift will be in gaming to drive RTX 5090 with 3D cache 9800X3D and where there still be CPU bottlenecks or will uplift be so good going to 8 Zen 5 cores will take away any CPU bottleneck in upcoming games at 4K even with only 8 cores.

And wonder how much improvement memory bandwidth and IMC improvements and infinity fabric clock speed will play into it as well?

There have been rumors all over the place on IPC. Some say 40%. Some say only 10-15% and most say clock speeds the same.

And wonder release date for X3D and vanilla. Vanilla will it be this Summer or September. And X3D will it be by year end 2024 or in Q 2025 or April 2025. SO much al over the place on that as well.

 

[adroc_thurston]

And wonder how much improvement memory bandwidth and IMC improvements and infinity fabric clock speed will play into it as well?

it has none.

 

[gdansk]

Kinda a lot, all Turins are >300W.

I ask because of that. Do you think all these mobile parts will have any impact on the notebook market? I understand some people are optimists but past performance is not in its favor regardless of its performance.

Consider how hard current AMD server products wipe the floor and yet it's what, 23% share?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Do you think all these mobile parts will have any impact on the notebook market?

yea.

I understand some people are optimists but past performance is not in its favor regardless of its performance.

AMD did very well in mobile until Intel stuffed the channel with 282 vomit.

Consider how hard current AMD server products wipe the floor and yet it's what, 23% share?

They're like at 25% unit and higher revenue share.
Good results given that enterprises are slow.

 

[Timmah!]

oh you really have no clue about it huh

yeah, i am sure people will talk how it forever changed the computing for generations. huh.

 

[itsmydamnation]

yeah, i am sure people will talk how it forever changed the computing for generations. huh.

So what your saying is shutdown the forums because nothing in my lifetime Meets that definition. Everything is incremental improvement.

Probably only the Pentium pro and even that is use case specific

 

[adroc_thurston]

yeah, i am sure people will talk how it forever changed the computing for generations. huh.

you don't have to be upset.

 

[Timmah!]

So what your saying is shutdown the forums because nothing in my lifetime Meets that definition. Everything is incremental improvement.

Probably only the Pentium pro and even that is use case specific

If you want to interpret what i wrote that way, i cant stop you.

 

[Timmah!]

you don't have to be upset.

i am not upset.

 

[adroc_thurston]

i am not upset.

You definitely are and it's funny.
-halo is the coolest and the only arguably new part out of the entire Zen5 lineup for reasons you'll find out circa CES'25.
Good luck.

 

[Mahboi]

OFC they have a choice. They can buy Intel, console, play on a phone or find another hobby.
What is cool product to you, is not cool for everyone. I could not care less about Halo Strix for example.

You're wasting your time with a guy that enjoys REDACTED people so let me cut the chase: Zen 5 even if priced high will still be a compelling enough product that Intel cannot compete. They can't lower the price of RPL any more, probably can't get a compelling enough price that still delivers margins with ARL, and are going to be seriously put against the wall now.

So yes, it is AMD all the way. Anyone not buying AMD for the 06/2024-2026 period is going to just do it out of Intel REDACTED, weird reasons or sheer stupidity.
If Zen 5 is even close to what's promised, a 6 core $350 Ryzen 9600x is going to trounce anything RPL or ARL for the next year and a half. In every game and almost all apps.

There is no room left for Intel. Nor is there extra margin to chew through. The situation is that bad.

 

[itsmydamnation]

If you want to interpret what i wrote that way, i cant stop you.

You are quite contrary aren't you.

The single biggest x86 apu with the core that will probably be the single biggest gen on gen perf jump over current market leader doesnt meet the definition of being talked about as changing computing then literally nothing in the last 30 years has either......

 

[adroc_thurston]

The single biggest x86 apu with the core that will probably be the single biggest gen on gen perf jump over current market leader doesnt meet the definition of being talked about as changing computing then literally nothing in the last 30 years has either......

Really not the point either.
It's just full of interesting design novelties which other Z5 parts lack.

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

All of it. Sonoma Valley Zen5c 4 cores is 400W.
Intel cannot be allowed to continue unimpeded.

You're talking of Turin Dense. Sonoma Valley is 4C 9-15W cheap mobile part.

 

[adroc_thurston]

You're talking of Turin Dense. Sonoma Valley is 4C 9-15W cheap mobile part.

It's sarcasm.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Really not the point either.
It's just full of interesting design novelties which other Z5 parts lack.

But volume sold will be low for Strix Halo. So is it just a showboat, or a technological prototype of what’s to come in Zen6 in higher volume, also on DT?

 

[adroc_thurston]

But volume sold will be low for Strix Halo

Yeah who cares, it's in the name.
Chongus ASP part.

So is it just a showboat or a technological prototype of what’s to come in Zen6 in higher volume

Sort of.
It's the only survivor of the OG Z5 mobile plans.

 

[Timmah!]

You definitely are and it's funny.
-halo is the coolest and the only arguably new part out of the entire Zen5 lineup for reasons you'll find out circa CES'25.
Good luck.

Whats funny is your know-it-all attitude here, when you were already wrong on release date and naming scheme.
I dont care for Halo Strix and there is nothing to be found out at CES25 about it, that would change my mind about it. Pretty sure i wont trash my desktop for your "coolest" new part.

 

[Mahboi]

You're talking of Turin Dense. Sonoma Valley is 4C 9-15W cheap mobile part.

I do a lot of sarcasm Ghost, don't take it personally.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Whats funny is your know-it-all attitude here, when you were already wrong on release date and naming scheme

Release dates and names change overnight.
Hardware decisions don't.
Why the cope?

I dont care for Halo Strix and there is nothing to be found out at CES25 about it, that would change my mind about it. Pretty sure i wont trash my desktop for your "coolest" new part.

Not my problem.
It's the only Z5 part that's actually interesting from raw technology POV.

 

[Timmah!]

Release dates and names change overnight.

You were insisting on those, leaving no room for alternative. Did not exactly make it look like anything can be different, than you said it would be. But it was. And now you were wrong, out of blue they dont matter anymore.

Not my problem.
It's the only Z5 part that's actually interesting from raw technology POV.

Its just fastest APU and everyone in need of proper discrete GPU, either for gaming or work, wont care for it. No matter how cool it is in your eyes. Deal with it. Some people have different preferences to you.

 

[adroc_thurston]

You were insisting on those, leaving no room for alternative

Oh, there wasn't.
Strix is still the same, August.

Its just fastest APU and everyone in need of proper discrete GPU, either for gaming or work, wont care for it. No matter how cool it is in your eyes. Deal with it. Some people have different preferences to you.

Oh you really don't get it, huh.

 

[Timmah!]

Oh, there wasn't.
Strix is still the same, August.

Talking about desktop parts, you claimed April, did not happen. You claimed 8xxx naming, its gonna be 9xxx. Wrong on both occasions - but yeah, there was no alternative. Except it was, as we can see.
Nice try deflecting with Strix.

Oh you really don't get it, huh.

When out of arguments, just inform other party they dont get it. Cool. Nice talking with you.

 

[dr1337]

It is, just put that poster on ignore and you are all set.

As someone that lurked these forums for two years, I feel bad for anyone new that tries to come to this site now. All the speculation threads lately are unreadable, compared to old ones, without out liberal use of the ignore button.

And even then that doesn't really stop all the spam because people still kinda show up via quotes.