Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[adroc_thurston]

It seems that the OEMs are not very enthusiastic about pushing Alder / Raptor Lake notebooks

Ehhhhh wouldn't say so.

BTW, did you catch Lisa saying that AMD is building up inventories of Phoenix?

They're just back to having client inventories that you can actually count with something not fingers on your hand.

Why?

Qualcomm sucks.

You don’t think they’ll ship volume of MTL?

No.
They never planned to.

Surely by Q1 2024 it should have decent availability no?

It's a premium select designs part.
Think RMB and not Alder/Raptor.

Didn't Intel say by 2025 they will chip 100m AI PCs with Intel Chips?

They've also said PC TAM will reach 300m units and we know how that went.

 

[Tigerick]

Strix launching in late Q2 or early Q3 would mean devices in 2025, if Phoenix is a precedent.
So... MLID of all people seems to get things right? Delivered the Architecture overview too?

If so, for 2024 Win12 release all they got are Phoenix refreshes to compete with Snapdragon Elite/MTL?

I know what you meant, surely Phoenix's launch was not giving much confidence. Let's hope AMD learned the lesson and solve any issues before launching Strix Point.

As for stock availability, it is actually depends on OEM's projected sales target. OEM might show more interested in Strix Point if MTL is not up to Windows 12's requirements of 45 TOPS (pending conformations). we shall see how things turn out...

 

[FlameTail]

Is Zen 5 on 4nm?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Is Zen 5 on 4nm?

Everything but dense CCD is N4p, yes.

 

[moinmoin]

No they just ditched 4Q cadence for mobile parts.

So they switched the model number scheme to reflect a yearly cadence that now actually doesn't exists with any product? Maybe AMD should consider encoding the year and month in the model numbers then like some software already does...

 

[adroc_thurston]

So they switched the model number scheme to reflect a yearly cadence that now actually doesn't exists with any product?

Let's just say rebrandeon lives on in places most unexpected.

 

[moinmoin]

Let's just say rebrandeon lives on in places most unexpected.

I want a crying reaction. 😭

 

[adroc_thurston]

I want a crying reaction. 😭

Don't worry they aren't the only ones doing the rebranding.
Raptor-U/P forevah!

 

[moinmoin]

Don't worry they aren't the only ones doing the rebranding.
Raptor-U/P forevah!

😭😭😭

 

[gdansk]

Can't wait for the 8730U aka Cezanne+++.

But maybe non-yearly cadence could be good. If AMD can have real Zen 5 laptops available only a quarter after announcement then it is an improvement.

 

[FlameTail]

I want a crying reaction. 😭

Yes why doesn't this forums have crying reaction?

 

[Joe NYC]

Let's just say rebrandeon lives on in places most unexpected.

BTW, are there any new / changed features in the Rembrandt Refresh?

 

[adroc_thurston]

BTW, are there any new / changed features in the Rembrandt Refresh?

No.

 

[biostud]

Everything but dense CCD is N4p, yes.

Is the CCD a reuse from zen4 with minor modifications or a new design?

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

Is the CCD a reuse from zen4 with minor modifications or a new design?

The core(-s) is supposed to be ground up design that is far wider than Zen4.
Zen6 is supposed to see significant changes in the uncore and chiplet interconnects.

 

[biostud]

The core(-s) is supposed to be ground up design that is far wider than Zen4.
Zen6 is supposed to see significant changes in the uncore and chiplet interconnects.

Ah, yes I meant the IO die. :/

 

[adroc_thurston]

Ah, yes I meant the IO die. :/

Turin gets a new sIOD, Granite Ridge entirely reuses Raphael one.

 

[SpudLobby]

Strix launching in late Q2 or early Q3 would mean devices in 2025, if Phoenix is a precedent.
So... MLID of all people seems to get things right? Delivered the Architecture overview too?

If so, for 2024 Win12 release all they got are Phoenix refreshes to compete with Snapdragon Elite/MTL?

Yes that is kind of what it means in volume but it depends on what you're after. Phoenix was unveiled at CES but in practice the launch was summer and at volume, for NA etc it's still not fully out yet if you want something like an ultrabook that doesn't have a dGPU and U chip.

Like the Asus ZenBook S13 or Zenbook 14 with Zen 4 still haven't launched yet in NA. Lenovo doesn't have a Slim/Yoga-style laptop in NA that has a Phoenix chip and no dGPU.

There are some ThinkPad/Thinkbook Lenovo ones that did launch in the summer though. And the HP Pavilion Plus just launched which is solid for a less expensive ultrabook.

Obviously there are plenty of dGPU and HS SKU options though.

Zen 5 mobile will probably mimic this. Better than Rembrandt sure but if you're in NA and want a Lenovo/Asus 15-30W offering it'll be at least a year unless something radically changes.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Strix launching in late Q2 or early Q3 would mean devices in 2025, if Phoenix is a precedent.
So... MLID of all people seems to get things right? Delivered the Architecture overview too?

If so, for 2024 Win12 release all they got are Phoenix refreshes to compete with Snapdragon Elite/MTL?

MLID has good source, and has been proven times and times again despite the raging hatred from many.

 

[Geddagod]

MLID has good source, and has been proven times and times again despite the raging hatred from many.

empirically proven to be a mediocre source at best, but whatever

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Those with actual sources do not need to neither backtrack with silly excuses such as "plans changed", nor remove old videos with -profanity removed- claims to maintain your track record.

Profanity is not allowed in the tech forums.

Daveybrat
AT Moderator

 

[FlameTail]

So what's the IPC gain for Zen 5?

 

[Hitman928]

So what's the IPC gain for Zen 5?

Somewhere between 14 %- 32%, depending on who you ask, lol. First time we might get official confirmation is probably at CES 2024.

 

[Joe NYC]

So what's the IPC gain for Zen 5?

According to this poll, it is going to be +10% IPC - 5% clock speed regression = Zen 5% 😉

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688651634832719872

 

[FlameTail]

Really?

We are now using polls to guess IPC gains !?

o_0