Zeitgeist, The Movie 2007

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

When you have an experience with Jesus, you will know that he is in fact real. Why is it so hard for you to look around and not be able to tell that this world was created by God? Do you honestly feel everything is a perfect as it is by an explosion? Have you ever seen a baby born? That one miracle should make you see the truth of God's existence.

the world is perfect? since when?

The world is perfect in the sense that everything required for life is here. It doesn't seem strange that we require oxygen to breathe, and all those trees and plants all around us produce oxygen in their own living process? But when we breathe out oxygen we breathe out carbon dioxide, which is useless to us, except it is used by plants in photosynthesis, in which oxygen is produced and the cycle continues. The world really is too perfect to not have a creator behind it.

Earths atmosphere contains 78% nitrogen.

...and if the oxygen level increased by just 4%, the entire planet would burst into flames. (This is true! )

 

[Vic]

marked

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I just saw this finally. It was a very good presentation of the material. Although most of it and the concepts weren't new to me. I've known for quite sometime that organized religion is BS. I've also known that globalist elites do control everything....I thought everyone knew this until recently but apparently people still believe dems/republicans, the president and congress make decisions. The elites know the rules of war and they know the secret to winning - rigging the game.

I do hope this has opened peoples eyes though. I think more people are becoming conscious of these shenanigans. The machine won't operate without the people running it.

why did you bump a 3 month old thread?

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

Yeah usually buildings that "burn down" Fall EXACTLY like the ones that where demolished with the center caving and all. I mean it collapsed exactly straight down. I am not saying it didn't happen. I am saying the video of it was staged or 911 was.

You seem young and naive. So gullible, so clueless.

The facts and fallacies that you conspiracy theorists cling onto is pathetic. I see that some of you morons use the fact that a news station erroneously reported the fall of WTC7 before it happened as "proof" that it was a conspiracy. This just demonstrates a clear lack of common sense, since if it was a conspiracy, why would the government let major news organizations know that they're about to do something illegal before it happens? That would make no sense at all.

You conspiracy theorists are morons with a poor grip on reality.

Even the NIST can't explain why WTC7 collapsed even though no plane hit it, and buildings closer to the twin towers did not completely collapse on its own foot print.

Why are you so afraid of the truth? You know deep down inside that there were things on 9/11 that do not add up to the "official" version by the government, which sounds more like a conspiracy theory.

I think people are afraid of the truth because they can't accept that criminal elements within their own government would kill their own citizens to start wars of conquest. Adolf Hitler burned down the Reichstag and blamed it on his enemies. The CIA and MI6 have spent the last half century overthrowing governments.

The question you have to ask is who benefitted from 9/11? Certainly not Iraq or Afghanistan, not Al Qaida, their leadership has been decimated.

The winners of 9/11 are the military industrial complex, and the bankers who finance the wars.

9/11 was necessary because Americans had become too docile to support war.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I just saw this finally. It was a very good presentation of the material. Although most of it and the concepts weren't new to me. I've known for quite sometime that organized religion is BS. I've also known that globalist elites do control everything....I thought everyone knew this until recently but apparently people still believe dems/republicans, the president and congress make decisions. The elites know the rules of war and they know the secret to winning - rigging the game.

I do hope this has opened peoples eyes though. I think more people are becoming conscious of these shenanigans. The machine won't operate without the people running it.

why did you bump a 3 month old thread?

see highlighted note. Would you prefer I make my comment in a new thread?

 

[Squisher]

See quote in sig.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

Yeah usually buildings that "burn down" Fall EXACTLY like the ones that where demolished with the center caving and all. I mean it collapsed exactly straight down. I am not saying it didn't happen. I am saying the video of it was staged or 911 was.

You seem young and naive. So gullible, so clueless.

The facts and fallacies that you conspiracy theorists cling onto is pathetic. I see that some of you morons use the fact that a news station erroneously reported the fall of WTC7 before it happened as "proof" that it was a conspiracy. This just demonstrates a clear lack of common sense, since if it was a conspiracy, why would the government let major news organizations know that they're about to do something illegal before it happens? That would make no sense at all.

You conspiracy theorists are morons with a poor grip on reality.

Even the NIST can't explain why WTC7 collapsed even though no plane hit it, and buildings closer to the twin towers did not completely collapse on its own foot print.

Don't bother. He doesn't even understand that the media moguls(the billionaires behind all media) are the exact same elites pulling the strings. They are all friends. They all profit.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Squisher
See quote in sig.

cool put right next to the forum "Sheep farm".

 

[SiliconJon]

The most important video I have ever seen (the recent version - I had not seen the original). But as we can see by posts in this forum, mankind is doomed so long as the ignorant and blind walk the earth in large numbers.

 

[manowar821]

It's good that Iceberg bumped this, more people should see this video.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Downloaded the torrent after clicking the link in IcebergSlim's signature. I originally didn't bother because I thought it was YACV but I decided to give it a shot.

Definitely not the average conspiracy video. The ideas are nothing new - corporations control the world, religion has constantly been used (and will continue) to reduce the populace to mindless sheep, war = $$$ etc. - but they are presented in an extraordinary manner.

I think everyone should watch it before shrugging it off. I like to believe it takes more than a well-edited video to sway my opinion on an issue but food for thought, the movie does provide.

:thumbsup:

 

[randay]

I dont understand the falling straight down theory. Which way exactly is a building supposed to fall under "natural" circumstances? Gravity pulls it straight down, if it collapses due to it not being able to bear its own weight, I dont see it falling to the left or right. I see it falling straight down on itself and maybe spreading out in sort of a pancake effect.

In fact the way it fell only serves to strengthen the fire theory since in both cases the cause of the fall is the same: The support structure was destroyed and the building was no longer able to support its own weight.

Im not arguing for goverment or terrorist one way or the other but this one issue has bugged me since it happened.

 

[Spook]

Do you ever get to the 1xx entry of a thread, and don't want to invest the time to actually read what everyone has to say... maybe i have some opinions on the subject, but maybe they have already been expressed, is it even worth making an entry? In the end you just type out some tripe that doesn't even have anything to do with the topic itself... That's where im at right now.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jhill
WTF is up with building 7? A building that fell due to fire? With steel structures? The video of that building falling is unreal. With the top middle caving in like that? Either that video or 911 was staged, I'll tell you that much.

Is it really surprising that a building fell due to fire?

Please tell me that you're not that stupid.

Yeah usually buildings that "burn down" Fall EXACTLY like the ones that where demolished with the center caving and all. I mean it collapsed exactly straight down. I am not saying it didn't happen. I am saying the video of it was staged or 911 was.

You seem young and naive. So gullible, so clueless.

The facts and fallacies that you conspiracy theorists cling onto is pathetic. I see that some of you morons use the fact that a news station erroneously reported the fall of WTC7 before it happened as "proof" that it was a conspiracy. This just demonstrates a clear lack of common sense, since if it was a conspiracy, why would the government let major news organizations know that they're about to do something illegal before it happens? That would make no sense at all.

You conspiracy theorists are morons with a poor grip on reality.

Even the NIST can't explain why WTC7 collapsed even though no plane hit it, and buildings closer to the twin towers did not completely collapse on its own foot print.

Why are you so afraid of the truth? You know deep down inside that there were things on 9/11 that do not add up to the "official" version by the government, which sounds more like a conspiracy theory.

I think people are afraid of the truth because they can't accept that criminal elements within their own government would kill their own citizens to start wars of conquest. Adolf Hitler burned down the Reichstag and blamed it on his enemies. The CIA and MI6 have spent the last half century overthrowing governments.

The question you have to ask is who benefitted from 9/11? Certainly not Iraq or Afghanistan, not Al Qaida, their leadership has been decimated.

The winners of 9/11 are the military industrial complex, and the bankers who finance the wars.

9/11 was necessary because Americans had become too docile to support war.

actually they can, it had an unique structure since it was built over and around other infrastructure. and burned for quite a while before it fell. never mind falling debris damage. wtc debris is nothing to sneeze at.

whats amazing is this documentary chose to discredit itself by including a 9/11 conspiracy theory. anyone that spews this stuff discredits themselves as rational logical people.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

.....anyone that spews this stuff discredits themselves as rational logical people.....

Congratulations, you've just discredited yourself. Don't feel like your superior for believing the official story.

With all the "evidence" in the official story, for all we know the towers could've come down because a giant penis crashed into them when no-one was looking. The official story is bull-shit.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

see highlighted note. Would you prefer I make my comment in a new thread?

yes.

Originally posted by: manowar821

With all the "evidence" in the official story, for all we know the towers could've come down because a giant penis crashed into them when no-one was looking. The official story is bull-shit.

then come up with a new theory and support it with evidence that isn't easily debunked.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

.....anyone that spews this stuff discredits themselves as rational logical people.....

Congratulations, you've just discredited yourself. Don't feel like your superior for believing the official story.

With all the "evidence" in the official story, for all we know the towers could've come down because a giant penis crashed into them when no-one was looking. The official story is bull-shit.

You figured it out! The 9/11 Commission and the professional engineers and scientists are all wrong and full of bullshit, but the amateur 'documentary' movie makers know the truth!!!


I am sure there are indeed unknowns in the official Commission report, the probably of a bunch of amateur knuckleheads 'discovering' the 'truth' (or rather what they perceive as the truth) is not very likely. You may want to look up the word parsimonious and think about Occam's Razor in regards to the entire 9/11 thing.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

.....anyone that spews this stuff discredits themselves as rational logical people.....

Congratulations, you've just discredited yourself. Don't feel like your superior for believing the official story.

With all the "evidence" in the official story, for all we know the towers could've come down because a giant penis crashed into them when no-one was looking. The official story is bull-shit.

You figured it out! The 9/11 Commission and the professional engineers and scientists are all wrong and full of bullshit, but the amateur 'documentary' movie makers know the truth!!!


I am sure there are indeed unknowns in the official Commission report, the probably of a bunch of amateur knuckleheads 'discovering' the 'truth' (or rather what they perceive as the truth) is not very likely. You may want to look up the word parsimonious and think about Occam's Razor in regards to the entire 9/11 thing.

I've heard all sorts of arguments to support the terrorist theory, including HUNDREDS of people who just say "look up Occam's Razor LOL", and it's still JUST as plausible as an internally orchestrated plan. Think about how difficult and complicated it would been to get THREE planes to crash into well populated and also protected airspace. You think that's "simple"? Wow.

You have to admit, the fact that an amateur documentary can spell out the lies of such a "perfect" commission report like the one for 9/11 is quite telling of how little truth there is behind it.

Try again, little sound-bite drone!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: manowar821
You have to admit, the fact that an amateur documentary can spell out the lies of such a "perfect" commission report like the one for 9/11 is quite telling of how little truth there is behind it.

and what lies are those? every amateur 'documentary' i've seen does more lying in the first 5 minutes than congressman on the stump. you'd probably claim that the 'mainstream media' is manipulative, but then defend (or ignore) the outright lies that all these 9/11 amateur 'documentaries' contain for the sole purpose of manipulation.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: manowar821
You have to admit, the fact that an amateur documentary can spell out the lies of such a "perfect" commission report like the one for 9/11 is quite telling of how little truth there is behind it.

and what lies are those? every amateur 'documentary' i've seen does more lying in the first 5 minutes than congressman on the stump. you'd probably claim that the 'mainstream media' is manipulative, but then defend (or ignore) the outright lies that all these 9/11 amateur 'documentaries' contain for the sole purpose of manipulation.

Yes, because every person sees in black and white, just so you can have an easier time understanding the world. (Translation: No, I don't like when anyone lies to make a point, or lies and doesn't make a point.)

 

[vhx]

I thought it was entertaining, a lot of the religion stuff seems to be innacurate. (Came across this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-TqjTm5fgs)

The other parts are good watches though, even if they are just food for thought.

 

[Feneant2]

Watched the first 2 parts a couple of nights back and the last one today, it was a fantastic documentary.

What I enjoyed the most is they actually try to prove what they are preaching. I did not read most of this thread but seeing all the naysayers with their 'just because' reasoning is the main reason why I found it so great.

The movie is representative of the minority, it's trying to prove its point while the majority, the naysayers, don't try to prove their point, they stick with the 'just because' reasoning because they are many and we are few.

My own personal favorite was the 9/11 section. I've always asked myself how much of a pansy you would have to be that a few guys with box cutters could take over a plane and crash it into buildings without people doing anything... And no offense to Americans but seeing the 'we want your oil' war that resulted from it under the chemical weapons guise, I believe that 9/11 was a setup today more than ever.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: manowar821
You have to admit, the fact that an amateur documentary can spell out the lies of such a "perfect" commission report like the one for 9/11 is quite telling of how little truth there is behind it.

and what lies are those? every amateur 'documentary' i've seen does more lying in the first 5 minutes than congressman on the stump. you'd probably claim that the 'mainstream media' is manipulative, but then defend (or ignore) the outright lies that all these 9/11 amateur 'documentaries' contain for the sole purpose of manipulation.

I'm interested in these so called lies, I watched this, and from what I remember part 2 was 99% strung together clips from legit media like ABC/CNN/MSNBC. Are they lies because you don't believe them? Nothing has been proven, and while I'm not going to take an amature movie maker over the government. The movie definitely made some good points.

The only fact I know is planes flew into the buildings, outside of that it's just hearsay from the government. Do I think Bush ordered this? Nope, but they (our government) has done a piss poor job convincing me they actually know who was behind it. My biggest beef is with the Pentagon crash, why won't they release either of the videos - the one from the Gas Station & the one from the building. They had no problem, well I guess I should say no choice in the WTC videos because people on the street were filming them. But, they have real video of what happened at the Pentagon and all we get is "yeah, this is what happened" so me the damn video so I can see. I don't believe the plane vaporized that's dumb...

 

[bonkers325]

Originally posted by: Feneant2

My own personal favorite was the 9/11 section. I've always asked myself how much of a pansy you would have to be that a few guys with box cutters could take over a plane and crash it into buildings without people doing anything... And no offense to Americans but seeing the 'we want your oil' war that resulted from it under the chemical weapons guise, I believe that 9/11 was a setup today more than ever.

a few guys with box cutters? you mean a few guys with box cutters who are ready to die for their cause. people can be pretty dangerous when they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

and 9/11 wasnt demolished with explosives - whether or not it was setup by the government (although highly improbable), we might never know. people that have no knowledge of basic structural mechanics will not understand why the building fell. there have been various structural models done by reputable engineering firms that confirm and simulate the collapse mechanisms that caused the WTC to pancake.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Think about how difficult and complicated it would been to get THREE planes to crash into well populated and also protected airspace. You think that's "simple"? Wow.

I don't think the WTC was even in an airspace much less a protected one. There are plenty of airspaces around where the WTC is, but I don't think any are protected.