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YTF do they keep death row inmates alive for so damn long?

sillymofo

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I mean, shiet... I'm all for humanitarian, but damn, that's a lot of money wasted. If a human is deemed a complete waste to society, hence the death sentence, why prolong the inevitable?

EDIT:

Ok, so some of you will say that there has been cases that the inmates were found innocent via DNA analysis. On the same note, if they get convicted in today's court and technologically advanced justice system (with DNA evidence and everything), then why keep them around?
 
WTF is YTF?? its WTF u noob!! 😛

and also I agree with u, after they get the sentence they should be hanged right there....

 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
WTF is YTF?? its WTF u noob!! 😛

and also I agree with u, after they get the sentence they should be hanged right there....

I say give them 1 appeal, 2 at the MOST (and only in certain situations)
If 3 juries found you guilty and decided you needed to die, that's it. Just take the person out back and put a bullet in their head. Total cost for execution: 15 cents for the bullet.

(I ignored my previous post and elaborated on my ideas... flame away)
 
Originally posted by: PipBoy
maybe the massive backlog in DNA testing has something to do with it. I don't really know.
OK, so there are approximately 46,000 inmates on death row in the US, how long do you think they will get all the DNA testings done?
 
Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Originally posted by: PipBoy
maybe the massive backlog in DNA testing has something to do with it. I don't really know.
OK, so there are approximately 46,000 inmates on death row in the US, how long do you think they will get all the DNA testings done?
Well they need to get on the ball then, and I will gladly donate the bullets and even pull the trigger too if everyone else is too big of a pussy.

 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Originally posted by: PipBoy
maybe the massive backlog in DNA testing has something to do with it. I don't really know.
OK, so there are approximately 46,000 inmates on death row in the US, how long do you think they will get all the DNA testings done?
Well they need to get on the ball then, and I will gladly donate the bullets and even pull the trigger too if everyone else is too big of a pussy.

Big, macho guy here!
 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Originally posted by: PipBoy
maybe the massive backlog in DNA testing has something to do with it. I don't really know.
OK, so there are approximately 46,000 inmates on death row in the US, how long do you think they will get all the DNA testings done?
Well they need to get on the ball then, and I will gladly donate the bullets and even pull the trigger too if everyone else is too big of a pussy.

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You know, unless you've actually killed a man before, then you're just full of macho BS coming in here talking about doing the killing yourself.

But I think they need to take it up a notch. 1 appeal should be plenty. And there needs to be time limits on how long you have to file the appeal. After that, give the guy a few days or weeks to get his crap together, then give him the needle.
 
Originally posted by: MemberSince97
Good Question ask the 9th circuit about that,,,,.........

9th circuit handles much lower amounts of habeas corpus or DP appeals cases than state or other federal courts.
 
Originally posted by: Spoooon
You know, unless you've actually killed a man before, then you're just full of macho BS coming in here talking about doing the killing yourself.
Well, I'm not a liitle kid like most here and if you ask ANYBODY who knows me they will tell you that

A) I have never and will never claim to be or act macho in any way
B) I am very serious about subjects like this
C) I don't bullshit anybody

You're right, I have never killed a man, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't. I'm not claiming to be a heartless jerk either and although I don't know exactly how I would react I would definitely step up to the plate to rid the world of pieces of sh!t like that bastard who kidnapped and killed the 11 year old girl in Florida last week. The world has become full of people that are too afraid to do what REALLY needs to be done but I am not one. I have always been considered rather Draconian in my opinions about subjects like Capital Punishment but there isn't one person who knows me that doesn't believe I would do exactly as I claim......this subject actually came up while out to dinner last night with my parents and my mother even commented that I would be the one to take out the trash if noone else was going to.
 
Originally posted by: CheapArse
The time spent in jail costs way less than the execution itself.


Please back this up.

It costs around $45-50K per year per inmate.


The problem is that the courts are clogged with multiple appeal issues and there are mulitple courts that an appeal can proceed through.
Each appeal can take 1-2 years to be heard and processed. Usually only one appeal is ever filed at a time. Plus there are at least 3 level of courts both at the state and federal level.

Therefore a single appeal could live for 6-8 years depending on the issues and the speed/attitude of the court that it is heard by.

 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: CheapArse The time spent in jail costs way less than the execution itself.
Please back this up.
It costs around $45-50K per year per inmate.

The problem is that the courts are clogged with multiple appeal issues and there are mulitple courts that an appeal can proceed through. Each appeal can take 1-2 years to be heard and processed. Usually only one appeal is ever filed at a time. Plus there are at least 3 level of courts both at the state and federal level. Therefore a single appeal could live for 6-8 years depending on the issues and the speed/attitude of the court that it is heard by.
But why do they get so many appeals? By having appeals, does that mean we don't have faith in our justice system? If they're convicted the first time, and also the second time (once again, today's courts), why keep appealing. This seems like something a third grader would do, "You did it!", "No, I didn't", "YES, you did!", "NO, I DIDN'T".....
 
We should put more research into cryogenics. Then we can have a warehouse packed full of frozen inmates on deathrow. Keep them frozen for 200 years while their conviction is proved 100% accurate, then just pull the plug and let them die in their sleep.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: CheapArse
The time spent in jail costs way less than the execution itself.


Please back this up.

It costs around $45-50K per year per inmate.


The problem is that the courts are clogged with multiple appeal issues and there are mulitple courts that an appeal can proceed through.
Each appeal can take 1-2 years to be heard and processed. Usually only one appeal is ever filed at a time. Plus there are at least 3 level of courts both at the state and federal level.

Therefore a single appeal could live for 6-8 years depending on the issues and the speed/attitude of the court that it is heard by.

What do you mean please "back that up?" Its a well known fact that putting someone to death costs more than keeping them in jail for life.

As for the "insta death" some people are proposing, I suggest you first get rid of the racial disparity in the system. Blacks in the south are 5 times as likely to get a death setence than whites. In Illinois alone, there have been 17 people released on new evidence, as opposed to 14 being killed since 1976. There is a case pending in SC (I think thats the state) where the state executed a man without testing for DNA, which is available. The family is suing the state to try to make the DNA test happen. The state REFUSES to because more than likely, it knows that it put an innocent man to death. There are a reason for appeals in this system, and that is to make sure that everyone got a fair trial. Once you can assure fair trials, with proof beyond ANY doubt (As I think it should be in DP cases) then yes, I would be all for the death penalty. Until that time, why do we even have it?
 
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: CheapArse
The time spent in jail costs way less than the execution itself.


Please back this up.

It costs around $45-50K per year per inmate.


The problem is that the courts are clogged with multiple appeal issues and there are mulitple courts that an appeal can proceed through.
Each appeal can take 1-2 years to be heard and processed. Usually only one appeal is ever filed at a time. Plus there are at least 3 level of courts both at the state and federal level.

Therefore a single appeal could live for 6-8 years depending on the issues and the speed/attitude of the court that it is heard by.

What do you mean please "back that up?" Its a well known fact that putting someone to death costs more than keeping them in jail for life.

The cost is not the inmate in jail. It is the cost of the multiple trials and procedures before they are actually executed.

Due to the fact that there is a death sentence handed down, the system is deliberately clogged up with appeals and high costs that are initiated by the defense.

Those extremes are not initiated by non-death penalty cases.

Most inmates are supported by the public defender which causes the taxpayer to pay both for the cost of prosecuting and defending the case.
The defense brings in all sorts of expensive experts/consultants (cost is no object) and authorizes major evaluations/studies.
The state then has to generate a rebutal which adds the same cost again.

Link

There are a large number of factors which come together to create the exceptionally high costs associated with the death penalty. First of all, both procedural and substantive constitutional safeguards put in place by the Supreme Court in death penalty cases drive up trial costs and the cost of appeals. As a result there is limited plea bargaining in death penalty cases (a factor which keeps down costs in all other prosecutions); there are lengthy pretrial motions; extensive investigations; increased use of expert witnesses; extensive voir dire; preemptory challenges; and extensive trial and appeal processes. Virtually none of these requirements are subject to reform or state recourse because they were necessitated by Supreme Court guidelines for the death penalty. In addition, almost every capital defendant in America is poor and taxpayers must invariably pay defense costs.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: CheapArse
The time spent in jail costs way less than the execution itself.


Please back this up.

It costs around $45-50K per year per inmate.


The problem is that the courts are clogged with multiple appeal issues and there are mulitple courts that an appeal can proceed through.
Each appeal can take 1-2 years to be heard and processed. Usually only one appeal is ever filed at a time. Plus there are at least 3 level of courts both at the state and federal level.

Therefore a single appeal could live for 6-8 years depending on the issues and the speed/attitude of the court that it is heard by.

What do you mean please "back that up?" Its a well known fact that putting someone to death costs more than keeping them in jail for life.

The cost is not the inmate in jail. It is the cost of the multiple trials and procedures before they are actually executed.

Due to the fact that there is a death sentence handed down, the system is deliberately clogged up with appeals and high costs that are initiated by the defense.

Those extremes are not initiated by non-death penalty cases.

Most inmates are supported by the public defender which causes the taxpayer to pay both for the cost of prosecuting and defending the case.
The defense brings in all sorts of expensive experts/consultants (cost is no object) and authorizes major evaluations/studies.
The state then has to generate a rebutal which adds the same cost again.

Link

There are a large number of factors which come together to create the exceptionally high costs associated with the death penalty. First of all, both procedural and substantive constitutional safeguards put in place by the Supreme Court in death penalty cases drive up trial costs and the cost of appeals. As a result there is limited plea bargaining in death penalty cases (a factor which keeps down costs in all other prosecutions); there are lengthy pretrial motions; extensive investigations; increased use of expert witnesses; extensive voir dire; preemptory challenges; and extensive trial and appeal processes. Virtually none of these requirements are subject to reform or state recourse because they were necessitated by Supreme Court guidelines for the death penalty. In addition, almost every capital defendant in America is poor and taxpayers must invariably pay defense costs.

I know all that. It is assumed in the cost of putting someone to death that the cost of appeals is also figured into it. Sorry I didnt state that. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: CheapArse The time spent in jail costs way less than the execution itself.
Please back this up.
It costs around $45-50K per year per inmate.

The problem is that the courts are clogged with multiple appeal issues and there are mulitple courts that an appeal can proceed through. Each appeal can take 1-2 years to be heard and processed. Usually only one appeal is ever filed at a time. Plus there are at least 3 level of courts both at the state and federal level. Therefore a single appeal could live for 6-8 years depending on the issues and the speed/attitude of the court that it is heard by.
But why do they get so many appeals? By having appeals, does that mean we don't have faith in our justice system? If they're convicted the first time, and also the second time (once again, today's courts), why keep appealing. This seems like something a third grader would do, "You did it!", "No, I didn't", "YES, you did!", "NO, I DIDN'T".....
Everybody deserves a fair change and even some get second changes. Often in a court of people are convicted in the gray area of the law and there could be doubts whether or not the person did the crime.
 
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