You've seen Matrix2 and X2... Which one's better? *SPOILERS*

[RalphWiggum]

I hope this doesn't turn into a huge flame war, but I was just curious how the summer blockbusters are stacking up against each other.

I think that X2 is better. The opening scene, the effects, the story, the humor, I just think that it all went together better than the Matrix did. There were many fights in the Matrix that just seemed to drag, as opposed to X2 where I wanted more Nightcrawler teleporting or more Magneto magnetizing. The only thing I wanted more of in the Matrix was the twins, and that was because they got so little time.

Also, I don't know if I was thinking too hard about the Matrix or not hard enough still. There was enough action in the movie to make it just a pure action/no plot kind of movie, but with all the loose ends and the 10? minute conversation at the end, I felt they were purposefully trying to make it confusing. Although I think I understand what was going on, it just wasn't enjoyable.

On the plus side, I noticed the Matrix paying homage to the other great movies... There was a Sauron in the movie and they cast Elrond to play Agent Smith ! Also, Neo seemed to pick up Magneto's powers in a few instances, mixed with Superman's powers as he fought off Multiple Man in a scene that would aptly be dubbed Attack of the Clones .

Ok, let loose with your opinions.

 

[Kev]

matrix by faaaaar.

X2's story was extremely lame. it was more fitting for an episode for the cartoon.

I didn't think Matrix was that confusing, and I have a lot of reasons to go see it again.

 

[anxi80]

shouldve created a poll...

x2 > matrix 2

i would specify reason, but this thread would need a spoiler warning. ill just say x2 keep me more entertained while matrix had me looking at my watch every 5 minutes.

 

[LeeTJ]

matrix.

 

[BatmanNate]

Poll!

 

[Gunbuster]

Matrix had good effects but I thought X2 was more fun

 

[0roo0roo]

different movies. x2 is pretty much self contained. sure it has a hint of a sequel, but its a pretty standard one. it is not like lotr ttt and matrix 2 where they are truely middle movies telling only part of the story to be finished in the 3rd.

x2 is nice fun, but it doesn't try to go past that.

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: maladroit
matrix by faaaaar.

X2's story was extremely lame. it was more fitting for an episode for the cartoon.

I didn't think Matrix was that confusing, and I have a lot of reasons to go see it again.

You really didn't think Matrix was confusing? So you understood everything about Rogue programs and the choices at the end and the consequences? Just curious, I know I sound confrontational, but it took me a lot of thinking to figure out what was going on... and if you look around you'll notice I'm not the only one. And what are your reasons for seeing it again?

Originally posted by: anxi80
shouldve created a poll...

x2 > matrix 2

I actually didn't want to create a poll because then I wouldn't get any reasons. I don't really care how many people thought one was better, I'd rather know why.

 

[hdeck]

i thought x2 was better, probably because i've been a fan of the x-men much longer than the matrix. i also think i put my expectations a little too high for matrix.

 

[0roo0roo]

i just don't think they can be judged yet. both ttt and reloaded are incomplete at this point. both cram a decent amount in.

xmen was just a "oh no! prof x is gonna kill us all with cerebro! we 've gotta stop him"movie since when do genetic mutations allow you to defy physics? lol i watched it twice anyhow.

 

[anxi80]

i would specify reason, but this thread would need a spoiler warning. ill just say x2 keep me more entertained while matrix had me looking at my watch every 5 minutes.

edit: double posted my edited message ralph in case you missed it.

 

[CraigRT]

all i can say is i wasnt overly impressed with X2... it was alright, but not incredible... i hope M2 is sweet

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
different movies. x2 is pretty much self contained. sure it has a hint of a sequel, but its a pretty standard one. it is not like lotr ttt and matrix 2 where they are truely middle movies telling only part of the story to be finished in the 3rd.

x2 is nice fun, but it doesn't try to go past that.

I don't see how they are truely different movies. Both movies had original self contained "prequels" if you will...Both are the middle ground in a trilogy... I guess X-Men 2 has a truer ending than MAtrix 2, and I can appreciate that Matrix 2 is half a movie... But what did you enjoy more? I guess its not fair to compare if you are waiting for Matrix 3...

 

[Anghang]

X2 was so much better than Reloaded...

make a poll

 

[0roo0roo]

xmen 1 had a truer ending then matrix. if it were self contained, neo becoming the one is a little empty. he just flys off at the end when humanity is still enslaved. that was my original gripe with matrix 1.

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: anxi80
i would specify reason, but this thread would need a spoiler warning. ill just say x2 keep me more entertained while matrix had me looking at my watch every 5 minutes.

edit: double posted my edited message ralph in case you missed it.

Hehe, I was wondering if I should put a *SPOILER* warning up top, but the title clearly says "You have seen Matrix2 and X2..." Are you trying to tell me ATOTer's wont be able to follow simple directions?

Ok, *SPOILERS* it is...

 

[anxi80]

typing my response now then... watch this space...

edit: matrix. ahh, where should i begin? ok, ill start with the 'who the hell is this character, where did they come from, what is the nature of locke and niarobi's relationship, so many unanswered gaps.' fight scenes became long, thus making it seem mechanical. i appreciate a good fight scene, hell im a guy, its like criteria or something, but the scenes were overdone and after it awhile, it just became yawn. also, logic. why didnt the agent become the truck driver on the freeway earlier and just jackknife the semi and kill em both? why didnt neo just fly when he saw 20 more smiths coming, and instead wait for 8 trillion of them. how does smith always know where neo's at? the agents know because they are plugged in, link the operator knows because he reads the code and relays it to morpheus and crew. but smith? also, matrix seemed to fly by time wise, while x2 seemed to last forever, but the storyline and character development kept me enthralled for the whole movie. not matrix. hell, half the time we were looking at cgi neo, and you could tell. im off work, so im done with my matrix anaylsis. x2 was just purely more entertaining and had a proper mixture of a well-written plot, good fight sequences (couldve gone for a longer wolverine/deathstrike fight though), more interjected humor to lighten the mood, and well-written, smart, witty dialogue. i dont hate the new matrix, just dont love it. but to each his own i suppose.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: RalphWiggum

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
different movies. x2 is pretty much self contained. sure it has a hint of a sequel, but its a pretty standard one. it is not like lotr ttt and matrix 2 where they are truely middle movies telling only part of the story to be finished in the 3rd.

x2 is nice fun, but it doesn't try to go past that.

I don't see how they are truely different movies. Both movies had original self contained "prequels" if you will...Both are the middle ground in a trilogy... I guess X-Men 2 has a truer ending than MAtrix 2, and I can appreciate that Matrix 2 is half a movie... But what did you enjoy more? I guess its not fair to compare if you are waiting for Matrix 3...

i was mad that so much was going on and then the movie just stopped. it was half a movie that was >2 hours long. big disappointment.

 

[LeeTJ]

BTW, SPOILER alert.


mb not, it's purely speculation on my part.


It seems to me as has been said before, that ZION is actually PART of the matrix and it's all part of the deception that was concieved by the Oracle and the Architect.

HOWEVER, I think in Matrix 3, Neo and the crew will find a way to overcome the matrix and excape to "Reality".

and the surpise will probably be that there is a NEW sun and the matrix is no longer necessary.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: RalphWiggum

Originally posted by: maladroit
matrix by faaaaar.

X2's story was extremely lame. it was more fitting for an episode for the cartoon.

I didn't think Matrix was that confusing, and I have a lot of reasons to go see it again.

You really didn't think Matrix was confusing? So you understood everything about Rogue programs and the choices at the end and the consequences? Just curious, I know I sound confrontational, but it took me a lot of thinking to figure out what was going on... and if you look around you'll notice I'm not the only one. And what are your reasons for seeing it again?

Originally posted by: anxi80
shouldve created a poll...

x2 > matrix 2

I actually didn't want to create a poll because then I wouldn't get any reasons. I don't really care how many people thought one was better, I'd rather know why.

I didn't necessarily think it was confusing. It just left a lot for thought and left many unanswered questions for the next movie. I have a lot of theories about what was going on and one of my reasons to see it again is to see if I can notice any more details. It's always easier to see the details once you have the bigger picture. Another reason to see again is how it ties in with the enter the matrix game, and my third reason is to go when it opens in IMAX... are those reasons good enough for you?

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: maladroit
I didn't necessarily think it was confusing. It just left a lot for thought and left many unanswered questions for the next movie. I have a lot of theories about what was going on and one of my reasons to see it again is to see if I can notice any more details. It's always easier to see the details once you have the bigger picture. Another reason to see again is how it ties in with the enter the matrix game, and my third reason is to go when it opens in IMAX... are those reasons good enough for you?

I can understand the IMAX opening, that is quite a marketing ploy... I have to admit I am surprised that Matrix 3 will open in theatres and IMAx simultaneously, or so they say.

Sounds like good enough reasons to watch it . I guess a lot depends on how the next movie finishes everything... I can't really see myself watching it again unless its right before the next one comes out... I don't know if there are that many new details that I would pick up, it seems more like they left it out on purpose to make you watch the 3rd one.

 

[rahvin]

Ralph,

I'm curious what conclusions you "drew" from the ending of X2 and death of Grey. I thought it was pretty straight forward. The phoenix wanted to embrace her (although they are painting it as a further step in human evolution in the movie) and by pushing her power to the limit she embraced and became the phoenix and left her mortal body behind. Did you see something else?

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: rahvin
Ralph,

I'm curious what conclusions you "drew" from the ending of X2 and death of Grey. I thought it was pretty straight forward. The phoenix wanted to embrace her (although they are painting it as a further step in human evolution in the movie) and by pushing her power to the limit she embraced and became the phoenix and left her mortal body behind. Did you see something else?

No, that is what I got from it as well... I don't know if she left her mortal body behind, that remains to be seen as comics tend to like burying characters or freezing them or sending them off without a clear cut death for obvious reasons. I'm guessing she is comatose and will be awakened when she senses either Cyke or the team in trouble. They also set up for a possible Brotherhood of Mutants plot or even Sentinels depending on the President's reaction... So, I really have no idea what is going to happen in the next one. I'd actually prefer if they kept Jean dead because they will be rewriting a big piece of comic book lore, as I doubt alien races will make their way into the next X-Men.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Regarding the Phoenix - isn't that what we saw in the water in one of the last shots where they're panning over the dam that just broke? (I saw an outline of something, I wasn't a fan of the comics so I didn't know about the Phoenix until I got back here)

For pure entertainment value, X2 was more enjoyable but predictable. The Matrix was just a sequel I really wanted to see, and will probably go see again later today.

 

[theNEOone]

i think the movies are hard to compare. X2 is more of a "for the masses" type of movie. basic plot, good fighting, attractive people, awesome effects. blockbuster hit overall. although the matrix fills the bill in the graphics/fighting department, the fact that the plot is so complex (almost to the point of confusion) and also the fact that there are so many possible interpretations of the details, that less people will enjoy it IMO. personally, i don't like to have to think too heavily when i see a movie, but i can truthfully say that i like this aspect of reloaded. i really can't wait to see it again to try and figure out what i missed. and what i really can't wait for is revolutions.

oh....and that "matrix within a matrix" theory seems plausible at first. but the problem is that people were struggling so hard to understand the final scene w/ neo that the first explanation seemed to be accepted the quickest. however, after thinking about some of the details (particularly the conversation w/ the architect), it seems extremely unlikey (not to mention absolutely lame) that the wachowski bros decided to have a surprise ending, presenting a "matrix within a matrix."