Discussion Your pure honey test?

[igor_kavinski]

I was lucky enough to get some inexpensive pure honey last night. It is pure because it passed my personal test:

1) Minimum 7 hour restful sleep without waking up for peeing

2) Reduced and concentrated (very yellow) urine output in the morning

I'm interested to learn how others determine the purity of honey.

 

[Iron Woode]

I was lucky enough to get some inexpensive pure honey last night. It is pure because it passed my personal test:

1) Minimum 7 hour restful sleep without waking up for peeing

2) Reduced and concentrated (very yellow) urine output in the morning

I'm interested to learn how others determine the purity of honey.

if it comes from a beehive and is 100% honey?

The rest of your post is just new-age pseudoscience.

 

[igor_kavinski]

if it comes from a beehive

That's the problem. When you see honey in a bottle, how do you know it came from a beehive and not made artificially? I've tried countless brands of honey in supermarkets. Almost none of them have the effects that I wrote about.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I was lucky enough to get some inexpensive pure honey last night. It is pure because it passed my personal test:

1) Minimum 7 hour restful sleep without waking up for peeing

2) Reduced and concentrated (very yellow) urine output in the morning

I'm interested to learn how others determine the purity of honey.

So 100% placebo guess.

 

[Iron Woode]

That's the problem. When you see honey in a bottle, how do you know it came from a beehive and not made artificially?

because it must be labelled (by Law) as natural honey. Most apiaries have a reputation to uphold, so they label their honey very carefully.

If you are buying generic honey in a grocery store then you run the risk of adulterated honey.

So the advice is to buy honey from legit apiaries. Should be pretty easy in this internet age.

 

[Iron Woode]

Almost none of them have the effects that I wrote about.

that has nothing to do with honey. Far too many variables to say that.

So, please don't tout such pseudoscience here.

Buy honey for flavour and sweetness for either direct consumption or baking.

 

[igor_kavinski]

that has nothing to do with honey. Far too many variables to say that.

When you say that, you are treating honey as mere food. It's not merely food. It's medicine. The highest average height in the world belongs to Netherlands. Turns out, they have a tradition of giving honey mixed in milk to their kids before bed. Pure honey promotes growth and by some accounts, may even build muscles. It promotes anabolism.

Regarding pseudoscience, it was an observation. I suffer from waking up two to three times a night to pee. That's with not even drinking water before bed. My kidneys suffer from hyperfiltration. Even during the day, it's a miracle for me if I don't pee every two hours. Drinking tea/coffee exacerbates it. So if suddenly, I don't wake up in the middle of the night and last thing I did before bed was taking a teaspoon of honey, then that's what did it. Not once. Not twice. Every single time I use pure honey. I don't buy from apiaries. Too expensive.

No offence, but I don't get why fans of doctors don't take kindly to natural medicine. If it's a non life threatening condition and you avoid a visit to the doctor and prevent your body from getting introduced to drugs with weird chemical formulas that may fix one thing at the expense of others, what's the harm? Contrary to popular belief, doctors DON'T know everything. That's how Purdue Pharma managed to dupe the public. If doctors had known better, they would not have prescribed a narcotic that changes brain chemistry.

 

[Heartbreaker]

When you say that, you are treating honey as mere food.

Because it is merely food. Mostly sugar at that. Too many people are looking for magical elixirs. Judging by the thread titles here, this is the "magical elixir" forum, not "Health and Fitness".

You seem deeply into this search, posting the wonders of Olive Oil, Grape Seed Extract, FMD, and now honey. Stop looking for magic. Health and Fitness is just eating less junk while eating more veggies, and doing regular exercise. But I get it, that isn't fast or easy.

It's medicine. The highest average height in the world belongs to Netherlands. Turns out, they have a tradition of giving honey mixed in milk to their kids before bed. Pure honey promotes growth and by some accounts, may even build muscles. It promotes anabolism.

NOPE. Last I read they were taller because of genetics and sexual selection.

Some accounts? You mean random anecdotes?

No offence, but I don't get why fans of doctors don't take kindly to natural medicine. If it's a non life threatening condition and you avoid a visit to the doctor and prevent your body from getting introduced to drugs with weird chemical formulas that may fix one thing at the expense of others, what's the harm? Contrary to popular belief, doctors DON'T know everything. That's how Purdue Pharma managed to dupe the public. If doctors had known better, they would not have prescribed a narcotic that changes brain chemistry.

So big pharma can't give you magic elixir you trust, so you will look at hearsay to find your magic elixir?

There is no magic elixir. The best you can do is to eat less processed crap, eat more veggies, and do more regular exercise.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Because it is merely food.

Honey - Wikipedia

Several medical-grade honey products have been approved by the FDA for use in treating minor wounds and burns.[107]

Honey has long been used as a topical antibiotic by practitioners of traditional and herbal medicine.[108][109] Honey's antibacterial effects were first demonstrated by the Dutch scientist Bernardus Adrianus van Ketel in 1892.[110][111] Since then, numerous studies have shown that honey has broad-spectrum antibacterial activity against gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria, although potency varies widely between different honeys.

Honey as a Complementary Medicine (nih.gov)

Altogether, there are various pieces of evidence reported in numerous comprehensive studies, clearly demonstrating that honey constitutes an efficient nutraceutical agent, potentially operating on several vital health systems.

Is it possible that you have never consumed pure honey so far?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Honey - Wikipedia





Honey as a Complementary Medicine (nih.gov)



Is it possible that you have never consumed pure honey so far?

The only demonstrated benefit is for topical use in wound healing. Plain table sugar has a similar effect:

Pouring granulated sugar on wounds 'can heal them faster than antibiotics'

A study from Wolverhampton University, found granulated sugar poured directly into bed sores and even amputations promotes healing when antibiotics and other treatments have failed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Are you now convinced that white table sugar is a magical elixir that will cure all your ills, make you taller and more muscular?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Are you now convinced that white table sugar is a magical elixir that will cure all your ills, make you taller and more muscular?

Men experience an abrupt decrease in testosterone levels after sugar intake, study finds - Diabetes

Mechanisms of honey on testosterone levels - ScienceDirect

In conclusion, collectively, the main stream of this specific research approach reveals that oral administration of honey enhances serum testosterone level in males.

Muscular maybe, but taller only when honey is taken during childhood.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Men experience an abrupt decrease in testosterone levels after sugar intake, study finds - Diabetes

Mechanisms of honey on testosterone levels - ScienceDirect



Muscular maybe, but taller only when honey is taken during childhood.

Honey appears in neither of those links your claim of it boosting testorsterone.

I give up, you seem to be a chronic victim of snake oil. Good luck in you magic elixir search.

 

[RPD]

This thread... wow..

 

[Iron Woode]

When you say that, you are treating honey as mere food. It's not merely food.

because it is food.

It's medicine.

it's food.

The highest average height in the world belongs to Netherlands. Turns out, they have a tradition of giving honey mixed in milk to their kids before bed. Pure honey promotes growth and by some accounts, may even build muscles. It promotes anabolism.

It does no such thing. In fact, you can't even site 1 paper proving that nonsense.

Regarding pseudoscience, it was an observation. I suffer from waking up two to three times a night to pee. That's with not even drinking water before bed. My kidneys suffer from hyperfiltration. Even during the day, it's a miracle for me if I don't pee every two hours. Drinking tea/coffee exacerbates it. So if suddenly, I don't wake up in the middle of the night and last thing I did before bed was taking a teaspoon of honey, then that's what did it. Not once. Not twice. Every single time I use pure honey. I don't buy from apiaries. Too expensive.

It's called diabetes. See a doctor.

No offence, but I don't get why fans of doctors don't take kindly to natural medicine. If it's a non life threatening condition and you avoid a visit to the doctor and prevent your body from getting introduced to drugs with weird chemical formulas that may fix one thing at the expense of others, what's the harm? Contrary to popular belief, doctors DON'T know everything. That's how Purdue Pharma managed to dupe the public. If doctors had known better, they would not have prescribed a narcotic that changes brain chemistry.

That's some conspiracy shit right there.

Contrary to popular belief, doctors DON'T know everything

neither do naturopaths. Take whatever you want but don't spread health misinformation.

 

[Iron Woode]

This thread... wow..

hey, at least I am trying to keep sanity here.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Why are you guys so concerned about people having a teaspoon of pure honey before bed and then relating their morning after experience/feelings?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Why are you guys so concerned about people having a teaspoon of pure honey before bed and then relating their morning after experience/feelings?

I think the concern stems from you ascribing magical properties that it doesn't have.

Taking in honey near bed time and then peeing less and having darker urine is simply a sign of dehydration.

Carbohydrate storage as glycogen requires water. 3 grams of water for every 1 g of carbohydrate IIRC, so taking honey contributes to dehydration. You pee less and wake with darker urine.

That isn't some magical property. Several tablespoons of table sugar would do the same thing.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Taking in honey near bed time and then peeing less and having darker urine is simply a sign of dehydration.

So just a teaspoon of honey has the potential to dehydrate my entire body? Wouldn't the first thing a dehydrated person would want after waking up is a glass of water due to extreme thirst and yet I didn't feel ANY thirst upon waking up?

Why are you against the idea that maybe honey has a beneficial effect on the liver which changes its biochemical reactions to produce less toxins, thus requiring less filtration by the kidneys?

Rather than scaring everyone of dehydration from honey, why don't you simply try it and keep a glass of water by your bedside, in the unlikely event that you become severely dehydrated in the middle of the night? Or is this a risk you are not willing to take? If so, surprising because you said honey is just food. Why would you deem only a teaspoon of food, a risk?

It's not sugar. Sugar has to be broken down into glucose and fructose by the body. Honey has no complex chemical bonds to be broken. Glucose and fructose are already mixed together in their free form so honey requires less effort by the body to be digested.

A Review on the Protective Effects of Honey against Metabolic Syndrome - PubMed (nih.gov)

Metabolic syndrome (MetS) is a cluster of diseases comprising of obesity, diabetes mellitus, dyslipidemia, and hypertension. There are numerous pre-clinical as well as human studies reporting the protective effects of honey against MetS. Honey is a nutritional food low in glycemic index. Honey intake reduces blood sugar levels and prevents excessive weight gain. It also improves lipid metabolism by reducing total cholesterol (TC), triglyceride (TG), low-density lipoprotein (LDL) and increasing high-density lipoprotein (HDL), which leads to decreased risk of atherogenesis. In addition, honey enhances insulin sensitivity that further stabilizes blood glucose levels and protects the pancreas from overstimulation brought on by insulin resistance. Furthermore, antioxidative properties of honey help in reducing oxidative stress, which is one of the central mechanisms in MetS. Lastly, honey protects the vasculature from endothelial dysfunction and remodelling. Therefore, there is a strong potential for honey supplementation to be integrated into the management of MetS, both as preventive as well as adjunct therapeutic agents.

Can you say the same for sugar? Sugar actually causes metabolic syndrome.

 

[Heartbreaker]

So just a teaspoon of honey has the potential to dehydrate my entire body?

Who knows what else you did. Less frequent urination and dark urine are clear symptoms of dehydration.

A Review on the Protective Effects of Honey against Metabolic Syndrome - PubMed (nih.gov)

Can you say the same for sugar? Sugar actually causes metabolic syndrome.

Point to actual studies with backing data, not reviews of studies with just an abstract. This is meaningless BS.

Whenever I look at these Honey overviews, they are based on garbage studies. Like your Testosterone link. There were only two human studies included, both failed to show any Testosterone boost. And the overview even said there was no human data to back these Testosterone claims. Even the Primate studies failed.

It's only in Starved and/or Tortured rats that they found this response. For example a rat suffering malnutrition from being fed a high Sucrose diet, has lowered Testosterone, then when fed Honey rises.

That's not because honey is a magic anabolic Testosterone booster, that's because honey is the lesser of evils as a food source, because it actually has some small amount of micro-nutrients, where sucrose has NONE.

I'm sure if you fed them strawberries, or cantaloupe their testosterone would have increased as well.

That might matter if much of your calories is coming from sucrose vs honey.

But in a reasonably healthy diet, the micro-nutrients in a spoonful of honey are inconsequential.

If you are eating such an unhealthy diet, that those micro-nutrients are important, you would get much more benefit from adding fruits and veggies to your diet.

 

[Stiff Clamp]

Wonder what bee pollen granules would do. Hmm. Could pollen be like honey on steroids?

 

[Leymenaide]

Wonder what bee pollen granules would do. Hmm. Could pollen be like honey on steroids?

I wish to be nice forgive if it does not come out that way.
Be pollen is not digested by humans nor bees.
The outer wall is Sporopollenin is highly cross-linked polymer composed of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen that is extraordinarily stable and has been found chemically intact in sedimentary rocks.
Bees grow fungus on it and eat the fungus.

Honey is such a high concentration of sugar such that nothing can grow in it. It works as an antibiotic by sucking out moisture and killing anything in contact.
Propolis the stuff bees glue everything in sight with is also a nice to use antibiotic. I scrape it into a jar cover with grain alcohol and make a tincture. Used in a spray bottle it makes a good wound covering and sore throat spray. Not cheap to make.

If you want real honey buy from the source. I sell out before I harvest, expect to pay 12-16 dollars per pound. My average customer buys over $100. per purchase. I do not advertise. I have about 10 hives.

 

[Leymenaide]

I spent days numbering these gals. Behavior research at NC State.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Wonder what bee pollen granules would do. Hmm. Could pollen be like honey on steroids?

Nah, Royal Jelly is the stuff. It's Steroids on Steroids. Look what it does for the Queen Bee.

 

[Leymenaide]

Nah, Royal Jelly is the stuff. It's Steroids on Steroids. Look what it does for the Queen Bee.

Yea, it gets her female parts working. Yours need help?

 

[Stiff Clamp]

Help, I'm being informed.

There's a bee hive in the wall where I work and sometimes I'll step out the 2nd floor door and smell honey. /random observation