Your lap children are now taxed

[Capt Caveman]

Hey, if people can complain about $7 for 2 pizzas, I can complain about $12 for the child.
Don't you have to ride your awesome bike or something?

You want to be grouped in with Trident?

 

[paulney]

See now that's not fair. The gay minority shouldn't be imposing on the majority. THEY should pay extra in order to offer us a discount for having to put up with them on our flights. OR they should have gay ONLY flights.

There, I fixed it again for you. Hopefully now you'll get it.
You want the convenience of hassle-free? You have to pay the premium.

 

[Nebor]

Makes perfect sense. Want a private ride? Get your private jet. If the restaurant does not allow kids - I don't bring them there. If it does - I do. Don't like it? Don't go there.

It's illegal for restaurants not to allow kids. And if they don't accommodate them well, say, by not having high chairs available, then they're liable for injuries incurred by the kids.

I always thought a good solution was for adult restaurants to just offer a snippet of adult entertainment, or perhaps some adult paintings on the walls that made it illegal for people under 18 to go in...

 

[paulney]

You want to be grouped in with Trident?

Only for today.
Tomorrow I will stop trolling, I promise.

 

[SKORPI0]

OP, trying to save $$ on a Mexico vacation and being a cheapskate, not sure where your priorities are.

Why you should never fly with a child in your lap

The 1989 crash landing of United Airlines Flight 232 near Sioux City, Iowa was particularly illuminating. The NTSB's accident report noted there were four lap children on the airplane (one of whom was 26 months old), and as per procedure, when the passengers were instructed to brace for impact, the cabin crew told the parents to place those four babies on the floor. The report stated: "The mothers of the infants in seats 11F and 22E were unable to hold onto their infants and were unable to find them after the airplane impacted the ground." Tragically, the boy who had been held in seat 22E died of asphyxia secondary to smoke inhalation. That accident report included a recommendation from the NTSB that the FAA make child restraint systems mandatory.

Should I book an airplane seat for my child?

Spend the extra money to secure a safe seat for your infant. Even mild turbulence is very dangerous when having a child on your lap.

The dangers involved in flying with a child on your lap are much greater than the price of an airplane seat! I saw videos during training where a baby sitting on her mother's lap flew to the front of the airplane during turbulence. I can only imamgine what would happen in a crash. Flying is safe; however, keeping your child in a car seat on an airplane is much safer.

No ticket for your child means no meals for your child (international flights).A plane is a vehicle, not a play area. Loose kids are a danger to all. Don't save $ and risk your kids safety!

What You Need to Know about the Lap Child

As a general rule, a child under the age of 2 is allowed to travel as a "lap child." This does not always mean "free." On international flights you are charged a "small" fee for bringing a lap child, but by the time fuel surcharges and taxes are added in, it can cost over $250. And you still have to hold your child!
The Federal Aviation Administration explains the importance of securing children in a child restraint system, stating, "Did you know the safest place for your little one during turbulence or an emergency is in an approved child restraint system (CRS), not on your lap?"

Following is the tragic story of the horrific crash of United Flight 232 in Sioux City, Iowa as told to me by Retired Chief Flight Attendant, Jan Brown-Lohr:
There were 4 lap children on board the flight that day. One of the mother's had told Jan that she was specifically taking the flight to take advantage of a free flight for her son who was 22 months. (Current airline policy allows children up to 24 months to sit on their parent's lap for free -they are known as "lap children" and are not buckled in or restrained) The DC-10 lost all hydraulics and flight control, and a crash landing was imminent. Jan prepared the passengers on how to get into the brace position. As Jan had learned in emergency preparedness training, she instructed the parents of the lap children to place their children on the floor at their feet and lean over them. Jan relates with a tear-filled voice that to this day it makes her skin crawl that she had to tell parents to put their most precious possessions on the floor and hold them down. The plane crashed with such force that it split into 3 sections. Jan's section of the plane (as well as the section of the parents with the 22-month old) turned over and was upside down in a cornfield next to the runway. The first person Jan encountered outside of the plane was the mother of the 22-month old. She was going back to the plane to look for her child, Evan. Jan told her she couldn't go back. The mother looked at her and said that Jan had told her to put the baby on the floor and now he was gone. Jan will always feel the pain and horror of losing that child. The G-forces were so strong, there was no way a child could be held, and he was killed. Jan has worked these past 17 years as an advocate of children's safety. She will speak out until ALL children are required to be restrained on airplanes.

 

[paulney]

It's illegal for restaurants not to allow kids. And if they don't accommodate them well, say, by not having high chairs available, then they're liable for injuries incurred by the kids.

I always thought a good solution was for adult restaurants to just offer a snippet of adult entertainment, or perhaps some adult paintings on the walls that made it illegal for people under 18 to go in...

Not at all. Private restaurants, shows, etc are all free to set the minimum age for clientele. If you've never been anywhere beyond McDoonalds, that's another issue altogether.

 

[paulney]

OP, trying to save $$ on a Mexico vacation and being a cheapskate, not sure where your priorities are.

Why you should never fly with a child in your lap

Should I book an airplane seat for my child?

What You Need to Know about the Lap Child

Oh shi! One hard landing, and now we're all doomed

 

[Nebor]

There, I fixed it again for you. Hopefully now you'll get it.
You want the convenience of hassle-free? You have to pay the premium.

I fail to see how gay or black people a) made the choice to be gay or black, whereas you made a choice to have a kid and b) disrupt a flight in any way, as opposed to children that almost universally disrupt those around them with their shenanigans.

 

[QueBert]

See now that's not fair. The minority shouldn't be imposing on the majority. THEY should pay extra in order to offer us a discount for having to put up with their kids on our flights. OR they should have child ONLY flights.

But that will never happen, parents feel they're entitled to bring their babies EVERYWHERE simply because they can. It reminds me of that picture of stupid ass Gwyneth Paltrow with her infant at some sort of rock concert. She had these huge noise blocking head phone on the kid. A perfect example of just because kids are technically allowed somewhere, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to take them there.

Yeah, the baby looks thrilled to be there, I hate stupid parents.

 

[paulney]

I fail to see how gay or black people a) made the choice to be gay or black, whereas you made a choice to have a kid and b) disrupt a flight in any way, as opposed to children that almost universally disrupt those around them with their shenanigans.

The kids don't make a choice to be kids either. They have to eat, drink and travel, too.

Yep, the disrupt the flight by being belligerent drunks and trying to open emergency hatch. That's what being kid is all about. Deal with it.

 

[paulney]

But that will never happen, parents feel they're entitled to bring their babies EVERYWHERE simply because they can. It reminds me of that picture of stupid ass Gwyneth Paltrow with her infant at some sort of rock concert. She had these huge noise blocking head phone on the kid. A perfect example of just because kids are technically allowed somewhere, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to take them there.

Yeah, the baby looks thrilled to be there, I hate stupid parents.

Well, now you are pushing it. For example, I won't bring my child into the poor ghetto to have a greasy burger, although technically, I could. Amirite?

 

[QueBert]

Well, now you are pushing it. For example, I won't bring my child into the poor ghetto to have a greasy burger, although technically, I could. Amirite?

So you only want to annoy people in nicer areas? I'm glad I live in the ghetto.

 

[paulney]

So you only want to annoy people in nicer areas? I'm glad I live in the ghetto.

You gotta use your kids' capabilities while you can. Otherwise it's not fun. Annoying people like Nebor and you - it's all the rage these days.

 

[Nebor]

The kids don't make a choice to be kids either. They have to eat, drink and travel, too.

Yep, the disrupt the flight by being belligerent drunks and trying to open emergency hatch. That's what being kid is all about. Deal with it.

You make your choices regarding having a kid, and then whether they eat, drink or travel. And by making those choices you're imposing a negative externality on the rest of the society. We should be compensated. And you're arguing against gay flight attendants it seems, which is really relevant to this discussion.

The best compensation I've ever had was telling some kid there was no Santa Claus when he spilled my vodka & 7up. Most of the time I don't get that opportunity though.

 

[Bignate603]

But that will never happen, parents feel they're entitled to bring their babies EVERYWHERE simply because they can. It reminds me of that picture of stupid ass Gwyneth Paltrow with her infant at some sort of rock concert. She had these huge noise blocking head phone on the kid. A perfect example of just because kids are technically allowed somewhere, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to take them there.

Yeah, the baby looks thrilled to be there, I hate stupid parents.

I agree, a baby doesn't have business at a rock concert or even in a public movie theater (unless it's a new Barney movie or something) but you can avoid doing those things. Sometimes though you just can't avoid flying with a kid.

 

[Bignate603]

You make your choices regarding having a kid, and then whether they eat, drink or travel. And by making those choices you're imposing a negative externality on the rest of the society. We should be compensated. And you're arguing against gay flight attendants it seems, which is really relevant to this discussion.

The best compensation I've ever had was telling some kid there was no Santa Claus when he spilled my vodka & 7up. Most of the time I don't get that opportunity though.

The negative externalities that other people impose on you by having children is equal to the negative externalities that you caused when you were a young kid and acted like a brat sometimes. Unless you're willing to pay reparations to the rest of the world for being annoying sometimes when you were a kid you shouldn't expect people with children to pay any extra.

 

[paulney]

You make your choices regarding having a kid, and then whether they eat, drink or travel. And by making those choices you're imposing a negative externality on the rest of the society. We should be compensated. And you're arguing against gay flight attendants it seems, which is really relevant to this discussion.

The best compensation I've ever had was telling some kid there was no Santa Claus when he spilled my vodka & 7up. Most of the time I don't get that opportunity though.

What were you doing drinking vodka & 7up in the presence of a kid? Too bad you weren't arrested for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. A little time in the FPMITAP would do you just fine.

By the way, the really poor choice was made by your parents when they decided to have you. But, at least, they didn't travel with you on planes or attend any restaurants either. Amish are against that, kinda.

 

[Nebor]

The negative externalities that other people impose on you by having children is equal to the negative externalities that you caused when you were a young kid and acted like a brat sometimes. Unless you're willing to pay reparations to the rest of the world for being annoying sometimes when you were a kid you shouldn't expect people with children to pay any extra.

My parents didn't take me to nice places (I went to boarding school so it's not like I had a lot of opportunities) until I was 13 and a "gentleman." I'd reason that I was a very well behaved child that still wasn't given the opportunity to disrupt others, growing up in the era of "children are seen, not heard."

 

[davmat787]

Actually Northwest Airlines had a solution to the noisy kids on an airplane issue. Problem is it didn't go over too well: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3509728/ns/local_news-lansing_mi/

Apparently the parents got all uppity when they found out the FA slipped some Xanax into the kids juice!

 

[paulney]

My parents didn't take me to nice places (I went to boarding school so it's not like I had a lot of opportunities)

I knew it.
Rum, sodomy and lashes - makes a fine gentleman, indeed.
Carry on, good sir!

 

[Nebor]

What were you doing drinking vodka & 7up in the presence of a kid? Too bad you weren't arrested for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. A little time in the FPMITAP would do you just fine.

By the way, the really poor choice was made by your parents when they decided to have you. But, at least, they didn't travel with you on planes or attend any restaurants either. Amish are against that, kinda.

Uh, on an AIRPLANE?! Jesus, people with kids are retarded. Please try to follow the main topic here. You do realize that you can drink on airplanes, right? And that some of us, when forced to share an enclosed space with rug rats need a little booze to relax? Also, federal prison for contributing to the delinquency eh?

I honestly cannot fathom why my parents had me. But they didn't take me to nice restaurants. I did travel a bit internationally due to my dad's job, but they always dosed me up with some niquil before take-off so I'd sleep through the entire flight.

 

[Nebor]

I knew it.
Rum, sodomy and lashes - makes a fine gentleman, indeed.
Carry on, good sir!

Er, what? That's the Navy. The British Navy in particular. Boarding school was vodka, sodomy and handcuffs.

 

[quikah]

But that will never happen, parents feel they're entitled to bring their babies EVERYWHERE simply because they can. It reminds me of that picture of stupid ass Gwyneth Paltrow with her infant at some sort of rock concert...

I give this a pass, she probably brought her so she could see her father.

As for the OP:

"lap infants exiting Mexico will be assessed APHIS and INS taxes of approximately $12."

Blame the government.

 

[QueBert]

I give this a pass, she probably brought her so she could see her father.

As for the OP:

"lap infants exiting Mexico will be assessed APHIS and INS taxes of approximately $12."

Blame the government.

Exposing her daughter to Coldplay? CPS should get involved and the child should be taken from the home for abuse. Although if I was forced to go to a Coldplay concert I'd want those ear phones too

 

[JackBurton]

The OP sounds like he has the same attitude as some of these ass hats that bring their kids to the theaters to watch a rate R movie. Why? Because they don't have a baby sitter but still want to watch the movie, even if it disturbs others.

I quit going to the theaters because it would only take ONE dad saying, "it's a baby, deal with it" for me to snap and beat him from an inch of his life. I figured it would be cheaper for me to just watch the movies at home where I don't have to deal with moronic and inconsiderate people. Otherwise I would have to dish out a shit load of money for a defense fund.

I do find it funny though that when you turn the tables around on these ass hat parents and start cursing around their kids, they get this shocked look on their face like I need to watch what I say around THEIR kid. I just look at them and say, "hey, I'm an adult and that's what adults do. Deal with it. If you don't like it, give your kids some ear plug or walk away."