Your Health Care Vote for $100 Million?

Are you going to take the $100 million for your vote?

  • Yes! My constituents are going to love me! And think of the kickbacks!

  • No! The health insurance bill is going to ruin the country! I can't have that on my conscience!


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PJABBER

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Let's imagine for just a moment that I am Senator Harry Reid, Democrat from Nevada and the Leader of the U.S. Senate (Are ya feeling lucky, punk? Well, are ya?), and I am considering what I need to do to support the President even if it costs me my job. I'm getting ready for retirement, maybe, so I have little to lose. But, it is all about money, it always is.

Let's imagine that you are Mary (and usually not quite so contrary!), a Democrat U.S. Senator from the great State of Louisiana and have been in politics your whole life, as has your family. You are not going to get money from me directly into your hand, but it will be in the form of something just as good - political pork. Money is fungible, right?

I would like you to jump off a cliff (you have at least a 50/50 chance of surviving the landing and continuing your career,) and in doing so tarnish your reputation for the rest of your life.

The rules are such that you have to make up your mind in the next 36 hours and several other people are being offered not quite the same deal but one just like it. Only one of you will get to accept the offer, the first one to decide.

I start the bidding at a cool $1 million and you just laugh at me. I go to $20 million, then $50 million.

You point out that the bill says you have to buy health insurance, or pay a fine -- up to $750 for an individual and $3,000 for a family.

U.S. Senators aren't going to be bought off cheaply, are they? No siree, Bob.

I raise the stakes to a cool $100 million taxpayer dollars and put it into writing. Hey, it's not MY money!

Are you going to take it, or leave it?


http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-million-health-care-vote.html

The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

ABC News
November 19, 2009 3:03 PM

ABC News' Jonathan Karl reports:

What does it take to get a wavering senator to vote for health care reform?

Here’s a case study.

On page 432 of the Reid bill, there is a section increasing federal Medicaid subsidies for “certain states recovering from a major disaster.”

The section spends two pages defining which “states” would qualify, saying, among other things, that it would be states that “during the preceding 7 fiscal years” have been declared a “major disaster area.”

I am told the section applies to exactly one state: Louisiana, the home of moderate Democrat Mary Landrieu, who has been playing hard to get on the health care bill.

In other words, the bill spends two pages describing would could be written with a single world: Louisiana. (This may also help explain why the bill is long.)

Senator Harry Reid, who drafted the bill, cannot pass it without the support of Louisiana’s Mary Landrieu.

How much does it cost? According to the Congressional Budget Office: $100 million.

Here’s the incredibly complicated language:

SEC. 2006. SPECIAL ADJUSTMENT TO FMAP DETERMINATION FOR CERTAIN STATES RECOVERING FROM A MAJOR DISASTER.

Section 1905 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1396d), as amended by sections 2001(a)(3) and
2001(b)(2), is amended— (1) in subsection (b), in the first sentence, by striking ‘‘subsection (y)’’ and inserting ‘‘subsections (y) and (aa)’’; and (2) by adding at the end the following new subsection:

‘‘(aa)(1) Notwithstanding subsection (b), beginning January 1, 2011, the Federal medical assistance percentage for a fiscal year for a disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State shall be equal to the following:
‘(A) In the case of the first fiscal year (or part of a fiscal year) for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), increased by 50 percent of the number of percentage points by which the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year after the application of only subsection (a) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5 (if applicable to the preceding fiscal year) and without regard to this subsection, subsection (y), and subsections (b) and (c) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5.

‘‘(B) In the case of the second or any succeeding fiscal year for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection for the State, increased by 25 percent of the number of percentage points by which the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection.

‘‘(2) In this subsection, the term ‘disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State’ means a State that is one of
the 50 States or the District of Columbia, for which, at any time during the preceding 7 fiscal years, the President has declared a major disaster under section 401 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act and determined as a result of such disaster that every county or parish in the State warrant individual and public assistance or public assistance from the Federal Government under such Act and for which— ‘‘(A) in the case of the first fiscal year (or part of a fiscal year) for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year after the application of only subsection (a) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5 (if applicable to the preceding fiscal year) and without regard to this subsection, subsection (y), and subsections (b) and (c) of section 5001 of Public Law 111–5, by at least 3 percentage points; and ‘‘(B) in the case of the second or any succeeding fiscal year for which this subsection applies to the State, the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the fiscal year without regard to this subsection and subsection (y), is less than the Federal medical assistance percentage determined for the State for the preceding fiscal year under this subsection by at least 3 percentage points.

‘‘(3) The Federal medical assistance percentage determined for a disaster-recovery FMAP adjustment State under paragraph (1) shall apply for purposes of this title (other than with respect to disproportionate share hospital payments described in section 1923 and payments under this title that are based on the enhanced FMAP described in 2105(b)) and shall not apply with respect to payments under title IV (other than under part E of title IV) or payments under title XXI.’’.
 
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shadow9d9

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Cool, he gets 100 million, PLUS he gets to eliminate pre-existing condition screening, coverage denial, and help insure 40 million people!
 

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Lifer
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Cool, he gets 100 million, PLUS he gets to eliminate pre-existing condition screening, coverage denial, and help insure 40 million people!
He? Read it again. Or, pretend you're a member of Congress and don't read it at all.
 

shadow9d9

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He? Read it again. Or, pretend you're a member of Congress and don't read it at all.

It is targeted at Reid and Senators.

I could take this same ridiculous post and say the same thing from insurers to people voting no.

One way, we all benefit and the senator gets money. The other way corporations benefit and they get money.
 

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Lifer
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I voted yes. It is Louisiana after all. As an added bonus, no aluminum foil will be needed!

The complete and total corruption of our government is truly sickening.
 

shadow9d9

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What does it take to get a wavering senator to vote against health care reform?

Insurer bribes.
 

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Lifer
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It is targeted at Reid and Senators.

I could take this same ridiculous post and say the same thing from insurers to people voting no.

One way, we all benefit and the senator gets money. The other way corporations benefit and they get money.
You're failing here miserably and you don't even know it.
 

monovillage

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When i read that article about the 100 million yesterday it reminded me of a punchline to an old joke.
"we've already decided that, now we're just negotiating the price"
 

PJABBER

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When i read that article about the 100 million yesterday it reminded me of a punchline to an old joke.
"we've already decided that, now we're just negotiating the price"

Hahahaha! I thought the same thing!

Mary's not being contrary, she is holding out for more payoff, sure to come.
 

shadow9d9

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We know you already do that, no need to restate the obvious.

Oh really? Quote one. ONE.

In reality, I never post polls or opinion pieces. You could look back as many years as you want. Not even ONE.

Not my fault you are a shill.
 

PJABBER

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Oh really? Quote one. ONE.

In reality, I never post polls or opinion pieces. You could look back as many years as you want. Not even ONE.

Not my fault you are a shill.

Hey, this is my FIRST poll and you couldn't wait to tear into it?

ALL you do is post opinion! Albeit, your own.

But I will defend your right to do so, despite!
 
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shadow9d9

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Hey, this is my FIRST poll and you couldn't wait to tear into it?

ALL you do is post opinion! Albeit, your own.

But I will defend your right to do so, despite!

So, you lied as usual to try to make a point. Gotcha.

I could quote myself from just the past week posting links to cited evidence to back up my claims. I don't think you have ever once done that.

You are all talk and spin, no content.

Continue spamming opinion pieces!
 
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PJABBER

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So, you lied as usual to try to make a point. Gotcha.

All talk and spin, no content.

Continue spamming opinion pieces!

BS... You're the AnandTech village idiot version of Drudge. Get over yourself and create a blog.

1. A misuse of the word "spam." I don't spam, I post.

2. You make an accusation of lying. I make every effort to attribute and to provide reference. The quality of the information I attribute is the responsibility of that author and not mine, though I do try my best to find interesting, credible and authoritative sourcing. If you don't click through on those and continue to posit that I am making up articles and quotes, that only reflects your own inability to do some independent research. Don't worry about this too much, I find many leftish posters here, of need, resort to ad hominem attack out of sheer laziness, so you are in some company.

3. The value of content is in the eyes of the poster and the reader. Both act independently of each other and without coercion. You are free to not read what I find interesting to post. And vice versa.

4. It is ludicrous for you to attack someone for expressing a personal opinion, when you well know that all the opinion you express is your own. Like I said, I will defend your right to do so, boring as it might be.

5. News and editorial, comment and purported fact, all express opinion. In choice of topic, in slant of coverage, in blatant disclaimer. Get over it, not everyone will agree with your world view. That is what make life as interesting as it is, instead of the leftish drone world sought by those who are intolerant of diversity and adversity.
 
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FoBoT

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and we are complaining about corruption in the Afghanistan government
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