Your Directx 10 card is now obsolete

[ronnn]

I agree, when I can't take the iq or frame rate with my low end monitor - will upgrade.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Great! Another INQ link

I got the best site right here:

www.pc-half-truths-and-misc-bull.com


Thats where I get all my info! Don't tell anyone!

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Great! Another INQ link

I got the best site right here:

www.pc-half-truths-and-misc-bull.com


Thats where I get all my info! Don't tell anyone!

oooohhhhh...ancient chinese secret revealed!

 

[Aznguy1872]

Good thing I didn't upgrade yet, but yeah doesn't seem bad at all if you already did upgrade to a DX10 card.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Ohh god :! Inq editors are idiots. This thing has happened before "OMG DX9 is doomed.. OMG DX9C is screwing over everyone" anyways by next year their will be over 25+ major PC title that will effectively take advantage of DX10.

Top 5 DX10 title coming out this year
UT2007 : October
Bioshock : August
World in Conflict : September
Crysis : September
Hellgate london : November


Then games like Alan Wake that have annouced full support of DX10.1 will lead next year. Out of all the game Alan wake is pretty much the only game that can currently effectively take advantage of 6 processing thread which is awesome if your a dude with with a quad core or 2x Quad core. That game had alot of support from Intel and Microsoft engineers. Its Intel and Microsoft baby to show what next gen hardware can really do. So next year when Remedy decide to license the engine , developers will release game with DX10 plus quad core support easily. Thats why Microsoft and Intel engineers spent crap-loads of time helping remedy tweak and develop the engine.

For all we know Alan Wake can run like crap, and be absolutely a horrible game. You can pour all the tech you want into the game, but if the game is junk what is the point? Yes I have watched trailers etc, but really I'm not excited about it at all.

UT2007 has been pushed back to November 1, Crysis November 13, Hellgate London is slated for a Halloween day release. So these dates have changed slightly over time and still may change.

You still don't get it :! Alan Wake may be alright game but the engine blows Unreal 3.0 , Source , ID tech 5 out the water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piMrNvdwYRU Alanwake at IDF 2006.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Ohh god :! Inq editors are idiots. This thing has happened before "OMG DX9 is doomed.. OMG DX9C is screwing over everyone" anyways by next year their will be over 25+ major PC title that will effectively take advantage of DX10.

Top 5 DX10 title coming out this year
UT2007 : October
Bioshock : August
World in Conflict : September
Crysis : September
Hellgate london : November


Then games like Alan Wake that have annouced full support of DX10.1 will lead next year. Out of all the game Alan wake is pretty much the only game that can currently effectively take advantage of 6 processing thread which is awesome if your a dude with with a quad core or 2x Quad core. That game had alot of support from Intel and Microsoft engineers. Its Intel and Microsoft baby to show what next gen hardware can really do. So next year when Remedy decide to license the engine , developers will release game with DX10 plus quad core support easily. Thats why Microsoft and Intel engineers spent crap-loads of time helping remedy tweak and develop the engine.

For all we know Alan Wake can run like crap, and be absolutely a horrible game. You can pour all the tech you want into the game, but if the game is junk what is the point? Yes I have watched trailers etc, but really I'm not excited about it at all.

UT2007 has been pushed back to November 1, Crysis November 13, Hellgate London is slated for a Halloween day release. So these dates have changed slightly over time and still may change.

You still don't get it :! Alan Wake may be alright game but the engine blows Unreal 3.0 , Source , ID tech 5 out the water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piMrNvdwYRU Alanwake at IDF 2006.

So? Try competing with a name like John Carmack, or a tried and true engine like Unreal. You really can't sorry. Those names will easily sell games and engines to companies looking to build games without starting from nothing. More so than something new and untested. We know Carmack can build an engine and we know the Unreal team can build an engine.

 

[toadeater]

Alan Wake has been "delayed." I don't think that's a bad thing, I'd rather have a good game late than some EA junk pushed out too early.

There's really no killer DX10 app coming this year. Every DX10-capable game announced has a DX9 mode that is nearly as good as DX10. Most gamers are going to opt to squeeze out more life from their high-end DX9 cards than buy first-generation DX10 cards, and *cough* Vista. If the 8600 cards didn't suck so much, more people might have upgraded as a cheap option, $300 for a 320mb 8800 GTS is too much for "mid-range" DX10 performance.

 

[Modelworks]

Theres a ton more to a game engine than just how it looks.
It has to be easy to work with as well.

As a 3d animator a lot of the engines I come across are very restrictive and you have to do a lot of prep work just to get things to look right. Carmack has done an awesome job with tech 5 for the people in my field. The tech 5 engine is bounds above everything else out there in ease of use. That ease of use translates into more games being made and that means more games to play.

There have been some great looking engines in the past, but they were used on one game and never again for this very reason.

 

[BFG10K]

My 8800 Ultra doesn't feel obsolete because I haven't even run any DX10 games on it yet.

It runs GLQuake with 16xS AA quite well though.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
My 8800 Ultra doesn't feel obsolete because I haven't even run any DX10 games on it yet.

It runs GLQuake with 16xS AA quite well though.

haha You still play that? I mean... Duke Nukem 3D is where it's at

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: toadeater
Alan Wake has been "delayed." I don't think that's a bad thing, I'd rather have a good game late than some EA junk pushed out too early.

There's really no killer DX10 app coming this year. Every DX10-capable game announced has a DX9 mode that is nearly as good as DX10. Most gamers are going to opt to squeeze out more life from their high-end DX9 cards than buy first-generation DX10 cards, and *cough* Vista. If the 8600 cards didn't suck so much, more people might have upgraded as a cheap option, $300 for a 320mb 8800 GTS is too much for "mid-range" DX10 performance.

I agree except that DX10 does have extra features that make it worthwile IMO. There's much nicer effects implemented. Granted we don't know how performance will be, but the theory is that DX10 should increase performance over DX9 by a small bit because even the effects that can be done in DX9 are more effecient in DX10. And Vista is not bad, people who actually use it and try to learn what it has to offer usually love it. I do. Why does everyone jump on the "I hate Vista" bandwagon? It will become necessary to have much more quickly than the move from Win98 to XP.

 

[BFG10K]

haha You still play that?

Check the link in my sig.

 

[Cerb]

DX 10 was forward-looking, and 10.1 is forward-looking. DX 9 was/is good enough that it didn't beg for a replacement. Even now, 'DX 10 only,' is mostly a hype issue, not a practical one.

DX 7->8, it was "wow"
DX 8->9, it was "wow"
DX 9->9.0C, it was, "wow"
DX 9->10 is, "this will make things a lot better in 3-5 years"

I think it's good, but the sky isn't falling. The specs are good enough that MS can afford to sit back and figure out what they really want for the future. The hardware and non-OS software are limiting factors more than the DX API features.

Note: my DX9 card has felt obsolete for years!

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: toadeater
Alan Wake has been "delayed." I don't think that's a bad thing, I'd rather have a good game late than some EA junk pushed out too early.

There's really no killer DX10 app coming this year. Every DX10-capable game announced has a DX9 mode that is nearly as good as DX10. Most gamers are going to opt to squeeze out more life from their high-end DX9 cards than buy first-generation DX10 cards, and *cough* Vista. If the 8600 cards didn't suck so much, more people might have upgraded as a cheap option, $300 for a 320mb 8800 GTS is too much for "mid-range" DX10 performance.

I agree except that DX10 does have extra features that make it worthwile IMO. There's much nicer effects implemented. Granted we don't know how performance will be, but the theory is that DX10 should increase performance over DX9 by a small bit because even the effects that can be done in DX9 are more effecient in DX10. And Vista is not bad, people who actually use it and try to learn what it has to offer usually love it. I do. Why does everyone jump on the "I hate Vista" bandwagon? It will become necessary to have much more quickly than the move from Win98 to XP.

I agree 100%.

DX10 will allow developers to do things that cannot be done in DX9 at acceptable performance levels. That being said, I wish developers would stop falling into the DX trap and just effing use OpenGL.

As for Vista, I love it. been using it for about 4 months now and not a single complaint. Every game/program I have thrown at it has run flawlessly. Hell, even Win95/98 games that refused to run on XP run without a hitch in Vista.

I think all the Vista haters are just ignorant individuals clinging to XP because they either dont want to learn a new operating system or are unwilling to shell out money for it.

If you have a legitimate gripe with Vista (I know some of you do), then the above does not apply to you. It only applies to those who talk trash about it (and DX10) without any personal experience with it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: toadeater
Alan Wake has been "delayed." I don't think that's a bad thing, I'd rather have a good game late than some EA junk pushed out too early.

There's really no killer DX10 app coming this year. Every DX10-capable game announced has a DX9 mode that is nearly as good as DX10. Most gamers are going to opt to squeeze out more life from their high-end DX9 cards than buy first-generation DX10 cards, and *cough* Vista. If the 8600 cards didn't suck so much, more people might have upgraded as a cheap option, $300 for a 320mb 8800 GTS is too much for "mid-range" DX10 performance.

I agree except that DX10 does have extra features that make it worthwile IMO. There's much nicer effects implemented. Granted we don't know how performance will be, but the theory is that DX10 should increase performance over DX9 by a small bit because even the effects that can be done in DX9 are more effecient in DX10. And Vista is not bad, people who actually use it and try to learn what it has to offer usually love it. I do. Why does everyone jump on the "I hate Vista" bandwagon? It will become necessary to have much more quickly than the move from Win98 to XP.

I agree 100%.

DX10 will allow developers to do things that cannot be done in DX9 at acceptable performance levels. That being said, I wish developers would stop falling into the DX trap and just effing use OpenGL.

As for Vista, I love it. been using it for about 4 months now and not a single complaint. Every game/program I have thrown at it has run flawlessly. Hell, even Win95/98 games that refused to run on XP run without a hitch in Vista.

I think all the Vista haters are just ignorant individuals clinging to XP because they either dont want to learn a new operating system or are unwilling to shell out money for it.

If you have a legitimate gripe with Vista (I know some of you do), then the above does not apply to you. It only applies to those who talk trash about it (and DX10) without any personal experience with it.

It's gotta be the DRM stuff, but honestly I have not seen anything in Vista to make me say "damn DRM sucks" Nothing...

I do know that Vista doesn't allow a program to write to the memory space of an already running application so 3rd party hacks for online games don't work which is a good thing. I only see benefits from the OS, nothing bad.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: toadeater
Alan Wake has been "delayed." I don't think that's a bad thing, I'd rather have a good game late than some EA junk pushed out too early.

There's really no killer DX10 app coming this year. Every DX10-capable game announced has a DX9 mode that is nearly as good as DX10.

ummm, crysis.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: toadeater
Alan Wake has been "delayed." I don't think that's a bad thing, I'd rather have a good game late than some EA junk pushed out too early.

There's really no killer DX10 app coming this year. Every DX10-capable game announced has a DX9 mode that is nearly as good as DX10.

ummm, crysis.

I suspect that Toadeater needs to lay off the toads for awhile, some of his posts lately in the Video and CPU forums have been....well, the ramblings of an intoxicated fool to say the least.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: toadeater
Alan Wake has been "delayed." I don't think that's a bad thing, I'd rather have a good game late than some EA junk pushed out too early.

There's really no killer DX10 app coming this year. Every DX10-capable game announced has a DX9 mode that is nearly as good as DX10.

ummm, crysis.

It's DX9 with certain DX10 features if someone is using a DX10 card and enables those features. This is AFAIK and could be wrong.

 

[Dream Operator]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
as consoled start to integrate solid support for mouse/keyboard combos, that will also take a piece out of pc gaming.

when taht time comes i will consider picking up my first console since N64, until then pc gaming for me. but it is getting dry for good shooters (multiplayer)

Same here!! 64 was last for me too!

 

[jim1976]

Same crap from the internet prophets, every time a programmed API revision from many years ago is to be released :roll:

Guess what? That happened with D3D9 and with D3D8 and... What's new? Your D3D10 gpu will be obsolete? :laugh: By the time you'll see a D3D10 game and not a D3D9 game with some D3D10 features your gpu will be obsolete in terms of performance first anyway.. Sry nothing new to discuss here

Besides that D3D10.1 will not bring something fancy and big in terms of IQ improvements.. Check MS's XNA presentations to see what it will bring to the table.. D3D10.1 will be here to deal with known rendering / texturing / performance problems that exist for a long time in the API. Thus the greater benefit will be in terms of performance..

And we must always bare in mind, that by the time we will see a D3D10 game, we won't have to worry if our current D3D10 gpu will be able obsolete in terms of features.. Because it will be obsolete surely in terms of performance.. We are talking about a period of 1.5-2 yrs at best.. Crysis is a game that we all wait with great patience and shows the full potential of D3D9 ,and it hasn't been released yet..And you're talking about obsolete D3D10 gpus? :roll:

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
You do know who John Carmack and Mark Rain are, right ? I'd say, google it ... Google brought me this, up to you to find more ^^

"Epic Games VP Mark Rein recently told CVG that, despite Microsoft's efforts to push the technology, DirectX 10 won't see much in the way of enthusiastic adoption, largely because game developers will "have to dumb the games down for the consoles" making it "less and less economically viable to do the super high-end stuff." Rein expects that Crytek's first person shooter Crysis will represent the zenith of graphical fidelity for years to come. That is, whenever Crysis is actually released."

Now that's an interesting story that needs attention.. These are the news that should worry everyone, not these BS that Inq and every pathetic site spreads.. Great game developers like Id and Epic seem to care more and more about the console $$$ community.. Because these were companies that were associated with the PC community for many years.. Now they seem to go the console route.. That's the sad news.. Because if they continue not to evolve their engines in PC platform and add new features, that's bad for the PC gaming community.. Really bad.. The first signs are here.. First Carmack announced that he will make sexbox his main developing platform and then Rein continued and released for the first time in the company's history, a game for a console to promote his U3 engine.. Gears of War.. Great game.. But where's Unreal 3 that we used to see in PC to promote his new engine everytime? See the pattern? These are worrying news.. Consoles win points day by day.. And graphical evolution stalls.. And then we hear Rein making ridiculous statements like this one that you quoted as excuses to justify his U turn in the console market.. Crap console ports and nothing new in the table..

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
But these gamers shouldn't fret too much - 10.1 adds virtually nothing that they will care about and, more to the point, adds almost nothing that developers are likely to care about.

My 8800 pwns any dx9 card you could possibly have, so I'm a happy camper.

I'm saddened that a tech forum member would use the word "pwn" in any way, shape, or form.

Seriously though DX10.1 is a joke in reality. I mean, how many games use the full features of DX10.0 right now? About none.

While you may not care for 'pwn', thinking that nothing will need that support tomorrow is worse in a tech forum.

You build it and they will come has always happened in the gaming world. You have a ton of people with DX10 cards out there just waiting (mostly for Crysis probably).

Once the game engine hits you will see DX10 picking up momentum.

I do think it's too early to adopt, but there is nothing wrong with buying an 8800 today for better FPS in all games.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
But these gamers shouldn't fret too much - 10.1 adds virtually nothing that they will care about and, more to the point, adds almost nothing that developers are likely to care about.

My 8800 pwns any dx9 card you could possibly have, so I'm a happy camper.

I'm saddened that a tech forum member would use the word "pwn" in any way, shape, or form.

Seriously though DX10.1 is a joke in reality. I mean, how many games use the full features of DX10.0 right now? About none.

While you may not care for 'pwn', thinking that nothing will need that support tomorrow is worse in a tech forum.

You build it and they will come has always happened in the gaming world. You have a ton of people with DX10 cards out there just waiting (mostly for Crysis probably).

Once the game engine hits you will see DX10 picking up momentum.

I do think it's too early to adopt, but there is nothing wrong with buying an 8800 today for better FPS in all games.

you missed what I was saying completely. DX10.0 is not used so why is MS introducing DX10.1?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: jim1976
Same crap from the internet prophets, every time a programmed API revision from many years ago is to be released :roll:

Guess what? That happened with D3D9 and with D3D8 and... What's new? Your D3D10 gpu will be obsolete? :laugh: By the time you'll see a D3D10 game and not a D3D9 game with some D3D10 features your gpu will be obsolete in terms of performance first anyway.. Sry nothing new to discuss here

Besides that D3D10.1 will not bring something fancy and big in terms of IQ improvements.. Check MS's XNA presentations to see what it will bring to the table.. D3D10.1 will be here to deal with known rendering / texturing / performance problems that exist for a long time in the API. Thus the greater benefit will be in terms of performance..

And we must always bare in mind, that by the time we will see a D3D10 game, we won't have to worry if our current D3D10 gpu will be able obsolete in terms of features.. Because it will be obsolete surely in terms of performance.. We are talking about a period of 1.5-2 yrs at best.. Crysis is a game that we all wait with great patience and shows the full potential of D3D9 ,and it hasn't been released yet..And you're talking about obsolete D3D10 gpus? :roll:

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
You do know who John Carmack and Mark Rain are, right ? I'd say, google it ... Google brought me this, up to you to find more ^^

"Epic Games VP Mark Rein recently told CVG that, despite Microsoft's efforts to push the technology, DirectX 10 won't see much in the way of enthusiastic adoption, largely because game developers will "have to dumb the games down for the consoles" making it "less and less economically viable to do the super high-end stuff." Rein expects that Crytek's first person shooter Crysis will represent the zenith of graphical fidelity for years to come. That is, whenever Crysis is actually released."

Now that's an interesting story that needs attention.. These are the news that should worry everyone, not these BS that Inq and every pathetic site spreads.. Great game developers like Id and Epic seem to care more and more about the console $$$ community.. Because these were companies that were associated with the PC community for many years.. Now they seem to go the console route.. That's the sad news.. Because if they continue not to evolve their engines in PC platform and add new features, that's bad for the PC gaming community.. Really bad.. The first signs are here.. First Carmack announced that he will make sexbox his main developing platform and then Rein continued and released for the first time in the company's history, a game for a console to promote his U3 engine.. Gears of War.. Great game.. But where's Unreal 3 that we used to see in PC to promote his new engine everytime? See the pattern? These are worrying news.. Consoles win points day by day.. And graphical evolution stalls.. And then we hear Rein making ridiculous statements like this one that you quoted as excuses to justify his U turn in the console market.. Crap console ports and nothing new in the table..

Actually no what he was saying is not many people will use DX10. He never said that everyone is doing games for consoles. ID, specifically Carmack, supports OpenGL which is not console friendly.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: toadeater
Alan Wake has been "delayed." I don't think that's a bad thing, I'd rather have a good game late than some EA junk pushed out too early.

There's really no killer DX10 app coming this year. Every DX10-capable game announced has a DX9 mode that is nearly as good as DX10.

ummm, crysis.

It's DX9 with certain DX10 features if someone is using a DX10 card and enables those features. This is AFAIK and could be wrong.

incorrect.

this game was written for dx10 and is dx9 with those features disabled.

it wasnt a dx9 game with some patchwork dx10 features writtin in afterwards like say lost planet.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Actually no what he was saying is not many people will use DX10. He never said that everyone is doing games for consoles. ID, specifically Carmack, supports OpenGL which is not console friendly.

The PS3 uses OpenGL , another reason to use OpenGL for pc and consoles.
The 360 is the only console that is rooted in dx.
Even the wii supportsOpenGL.