Young Americans Living with Snipers

[Googer]

Preview to the upcoming documentary: Young Americans Living with Snipers.

More on the documentary at: http://patdollard.com/2007/02/...w-living-with-snipers/

More Video can be found here

 

[Googer]

We still have a lot to do over there. Keep up the good work.

 

[Googer]

Keep morale high, support the brave.

 

[Goosemaster]

damn.

 

[Tiamat]

HOLY SHIT!

I wouldn't last in that environment, props to the soldiers!

 

[Googer]

So far ratings cast 0 stars from 1 vote. I guess I've already pissed off another Taliban insurgent. Who else would rate a thread like this that low?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Googer
So far ratings cast 0 stars from 1 vote. I guess I've already pissed off another Taliban insurgent. Who else would rate a thread like this that low?

for some of us:

Cause it makes us feel like sh!t and we are indeed conflicted in that we are against the war but do not flinch in our respect for the soldiers.


<----didn't vote...just saying ...

 

[dquan97]

wow...I'm speechless

 

[OdiN]

The media misrepresenting things and making them look worse than they really are...or outright lying through their teeth about things? NEVER!

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: OdiN
The media misrepresenting things and making them look worse than they really are...or outright lying through their teeth about things? NEVER!

99% of America probably has no clue how distorted the shit they see on TV and in the newspapers really is.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: OdiN
The media misrepresenting things and making them look worse than they really are...or outright lying through their teeth about things? NEVER!

They do lie and I have heard about it directly.

Truth is, I have a family member who is solely responsible for changing the coarse of a few major battles in Iraq. He's told me what the media says is a total lie compared to the report congress received for his actions and resulting medals. But when you do one thing with dozens of eyewitness on your side and get back to base a day later to find out CNN reports a lie, then we have a serious issue.


Disclosure: Names will be kept confidential for privacy and protection.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: OdiN
The media misrepresenting things and making them look worse than they really are...or outright lying through their teeth about things? NEVER!

99% of America probably has no clue how distorted the shit they see on TV and in the newspapers really is.

So true.

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: OdiN
The media misrepresenting things and making them look worse than they really are...or outright lying through their teeth about things? NEVER!

99% of America probably has no clue how distorted the shit they see on TV and in the newspapers really is.

So true.

:thumbsup:

At least the 4 of us can somewhat see the truth... I had the pleasure of working with a US solider fresh from Iraq. He brought back some great pictures and stories. Before seeing the pictures I got to hear the stories at casual lunches and around the office. A lot of the stories were positive. This was refreshing and I loved hearing the stories. However most of them indirectly contradicted everything I had seen/heard on TV. After seeing many pictures that seemed to confirm his stories my eyes were opened a bit.

In short, the coalition forces are doing an excellent job. Iraq is a better place today and is getting better everyday.

I think some people realize the truth here. That the media doesn't seem to be bound by anything to tell the truth about whats going on. They get more viewers with juicy and hot sensationalism.

Sometimes I think it might be better if the press wasn't involved with wars at all.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Googer
We still have a lot to do over there. Keep up the good work.

No, we need to get those soldiers the hell home. They have nothing left to do there but get killed for absolutely nothing. Lives wasted because one party of American politicians are scum and another party are craven.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Sometimes I think it might be better if the press wasn't involved with wars at all.

So the fascists win.

 

[1prophet]

Very good informative video.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Googer
We still have a lot to do over there. Keep up the good work.

No, we need to get those soldiers the hell home. They have nothing left to do there but get killed for absolutely nothing. Lives wasted because one party of American politicians are scum and another party are craven.

Tell that to my friend, who was released from service and signed up for another tour of duty because he felt that he was doing so much good for the people of Iraq that he felt ashamed that he was back home so soon and thought he could and should do more, and did.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Very good informative video.

It is a very good video. These guys are living through pure hell. They are guarding their posts, their lives. Why? Why are they there, taking hits everyday?

 

[TehMac]

Interesting how Iraqis were selling footage to CNN, so CNN thought they were reporting stuff when they weren't.

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Very good informative video.

It is a very good video. These guys are living through pure hell. They are guarding their posts, their lives. Why? Why are they there, taking hits everyday?

So the savages don't end up staging firefights in Amerika.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: OdiN
The media misrepresenting things and making them look worse than they really are...or outright lying through their teeth about things? NEVER!

99% of America probably has no clue how distorted the shit they see on TV and in the newspapers really is.

I think a lot of people realize, which is why FOX of all news channels is beating the shit out of CNN in terms of views.

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: tranceport

Sometimes I think it might be better if the press wasn't involved with wars at all.

So the fascists win.

Franklin Roosevelt controlled the press in World War 2, his administration prevented the media from printing pictures the media does today. Was his administration the thing they were fighting?


I like you, you're funny, but I hate misinformed opinions, so please, study up on things, and don't just go along with the whimsical and impulsive media.

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: tranceport

Sometimes I think it might be better if the press wasn't involved with wars at all.

So the fascists win.

I don't think you understand how powerful the proverbial pen is.

It's hard to paint a pretty picture in any war zone. If you have media reporting on a war with a biased opinion you have a problem.

Take a look at at this line from the journalist creed written by Walter Williams in 1906.

"I believe that suppression of the news, for any consideration other than the welfare of society, is indefensible."

How about this one.

I believe that advertising, news and editorial columns should alike serve the best interests of readers; that a single standard of helpful truth and cleanness should prevail for all; that supreme test of good journalism is the measure of its public ser vice.

Do you not think we, the American people, even the world, would be better off not hearing some of the negatives from the war in Iraq whether true or not? Does going over the war with a fine tooth comb in the view of the public in the best interests of the public?


I'm sorry if this comes off P&N.. Which it is I suppose. However it is rarely that I take the time to document a thought such as this. Also ironwing, I'm not trying to attack you in any sort of way. I'm just feel that polictics and the media have been pushed or pulled too close together.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: tranceport
I'm sorry if this comes off P&N.. Which it is I suppose. However it is rarely that I take the time to document a thought such as this. Also ironwing, I'm not trying to attack you in any sort of way. I'm just feel that polictics and the media have been pushed or pulled too close together.

Closer and closer to a state-run media. Those with the money ultimately have the power to choose the next candidates (through generous donations for campaign expenses, whoever gets the most airtime and the best writers wins), and they get to decide what information the general public receives. As George Carlin put it, "They got you by the balls!"

 

[mfs378]

Originally posted by: tranceport
Do you not think we, the American people, even the world, would be better off not hearing some of the negatives from the war in Iraq whether true or not? Does going over the war with a fine tooth comb in the view of the public in the best interests of the public?

I don't want my news to be censored, period. Especially not by someone who stands to benefit from controlling what we see. Do you not see how that would be a bad thing?

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: mfs378

Originally posted by: tranceport
Do you not think we, the American people, even the world, would be better off not hearing some of the negatives from the war in Iraq whether true or not? Does going over the war with a fine tooth comb in the view of the public in the best interests of the public?

I don't want my news to be censored, period. Especially not by someone who stands to benefit from controlling what we see. Do you not see how that would be a bad thing?

I don't think you understand that it's already censored.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: tranceport

Sometimes I think it might be better if the press wasn't involved with wars at all.

So the fascists win.

I don't think you understand how powerful the proverbial pen is.

It's hard to paint a pretty picture in any war zone. If you have media reporting on a war with a biased opinion you have a problem.

Take a look at at this line from the journalist creed written by Walter Williams in 1906.

"I believe that suppression of the news, for any consideration other than the welfare of society, is indefensible."

How about this one.

I believe that advertising, news and editorial columns should alike serve the best interests of readers; that a single standard of helpful truth and cleanness should prevail for all; that supreme test of good journalism is the measure of its public ser vice.

Do you not think we, the American people, even the world, would be better off not hearing some of the negatives from the war in Iraq whether true or not? Does going over the war with a fine tooth comb in the view of the public in the best interests of the public?


I'm sorry if this comes off P&N.. Which it is I suppose. However it is rarely that I take the time to document a thought such as this. Also ironwing, I'm not trying to attack you in any sort of way. I'm just feel that polictics and the media have been pushed or pulled too close together.

I'm well aware of the power of the press and the close relationship of the media with politics. It was that relationship that helped put us into this war in the first place with the media parroting the administration line on WMD. You see a media undermining a war effort. I see a media and a political establishment serving the same corporate masters, not society at large, and failing utterly to report or analyze the war situation. The media has participated fully in the administration's game of "just wait until next season" where every failure is followed by a plea from the White House that "all will be better after X" where X is the draft Constitution, the election, the Petratus report, the surge, whatever the next scheme is. The media dutifully hypes the next great looming breakthrough and neglects the growing string of failures that created the perceived need for the next thing, always six-nine months out. The path is littered with dead/maimed soldiers and ever richer contractors, who also own large sections of the media.

With all of the above being said, I see a desperate need for an independent media, capable of reporting from Iraq for the reasons you mention above. The MSM is incapable or unwilling to do this work.