YouGov results of a tory membership poll (UK)

[mikeymikec]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye

The mind boggles. I suppose the politics of supposedly civilised countries could get even weirder than this, but that's not a supposition that I would want put to the test.

 

[brycejones]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye

The mind boggles. I suppose the politics of supposedly civilised countries could get even weirder than this, but that's not a supposition that I would want put to the test.

I would imagine if this was an issue in the US the GOP would track the same.

 

[fskimospy]

Sad to see UK conservatives succumbing to the same disease that has afflicted US conservatives. They hate their internal political opposition so much that they will gladly sacrifice their own wellbeing in order to see them defeated.

 

[dank69]

Sad to see UK conservatives succumbing to the same disease that has afflicted US conservatives. They hate their internal political opposition so much that they will gladly sacrifice their own wellbeing in order to see them defeated.

Winning feels so good.

 

[hal2kilo]

Sad to see UK conservatives succumbing to the same disease that has afflicted US conservatives. They hate their internal political opposition so much that they will gladly sacrifice their own wellbeing in order to see them defeated.

But it feels so good.

 

[Commodus]

On that note: I would be fine with the Tories having another term if Brexit was permanently taken off the table. They can always be voted out later; returning to the EU is much tougher.

 

[WelshBloke]

The Tory party is in proper meltdown. Demographics and their own toxic internal politics are going to destroy them pretty soon if they cant find a centre right leader that can sooth some of the divisions, and they don't look to have any political heavyweights left.

That said Corbyn seems dead set on pissing this advantage away by pissing off most of his parliamentary party and anyone moderate or centrist in the electorate.

 

[WelshBloke]

On that note: I would be fine with the Tories having another term if Brexit was permanently taken off the table. They can always be voted out later; returning to the EU is much tougher.

I am not fine with Boris being the Prime minister for a full term. I am not fine with that at all.

 

[UNCjigga]

So you’re saying that conservatives would self-destruct a functioning democracy and tank the economy just for the sake of owning the libs?

And I thought that was just an American disease.

 

[WelshBloke]

So you’re saying that conservatives would self-destruct a functioning democracy and tank the economy just for the sake of owning the libs?

And I thought that was just an American disease.

Actually the Liberals are the doing ok out of this.

 

[UNCjigga]

The Tory party is in proper meltdown. Demographics and their own toxic internal politics are going to destroy them pretty soon if they cant find a centre right leader that can sooth some of the divisions, and they don't look to have any political heavyweights left.

That said Corbyn seems dead set on pissing this advantage away by pissing off most of his parliamentary party and anyone moderate or centrist in the electorate.

I still don’t understand how, given all the polling data and public opinion, Corbyn is still so afraid to grab the gauntlet/pick up the mantle of “not for Brexit” as a Labour policy. Like they’re still afraid of upsetting their blue collar working class base because they still don’t know how to convince them Brexit will be bad for them, not the millionaires who sponsored Leave in the first place??

 

[UNCjigga]

Actually the Liberals are the doing ok out of this.

I meant small “l” liberal inclusive of Labour from a US perspective, not big “L” liberal.

 

[WelshBloke]

I still don’t understand how, given all the polling data and public opinion, Corbyn is still so afraid to grab the gauntlet/pick up the mantle of “not for Brexit” as a Labour policy. Like they’re still afraid of upsetting their blue collar working class base because they still don’t know how to convince them Brexit will be bad for them, not the millionaires who sponsored Leave in the first place??

Corbyn has been anti EU since forever. A lot of what he wants to do RE renationalisation of industry isnt allowed under EU regulations.

 

[pmv]

Well, it suggests if centrist remainers want to prevent Brexit, they need to make it clear to conservative leavers that if Brexit isn't stopped, they will all troop out and vote for Corbyn. Thus making the conservative leavers choose between having Brexit and avoiding a Corbyn government. If they can only have one or the other, it seems they'd sacrifice Brexit.

I suppose the weakness in that plan is that the conservatives won't believe the centrists would ever vote to put Corbyn in Number Ten, so they'd call their bluff and go for Brexit anyway.

 

[pmv]

The scorched-earth mentality on display seems very similar to that in the US.

 

[pmv]

The Tory party is in proper meltdown. Demographics and their own toxic internal politics are going to destroy them pretty soon if they cant find a centre right leader that can sooth some of the divisions, and they don't look to have any political heavyweights left.

That said Corbyn seems dead set on pissing this advantage away by pissing off most of his parliamentary party and anyone moderate or centrist in the electorate.

Again, I suggest the sequence in Indiana Jones where the Nazis open the Ark of the Covenent, in the anticipation of achieving immense power, and all the demons fly out and melt their faces, is a metaphor for the Tory Party vis-a-vis Brexit. Cameron opened the Ark of Brexit and it didn't go according to plan. The Tory Party's face is now melting.

The trouble is that sequence in the movie never did explain how Indiana and his love interest got the lid back on the ark again afterwards.

Also I can't honestly see Corbyn and Diane Abbott as Indiana Jones and whatsername. Or is it the Lib Dems tied to a post in this metaphor? It also implies that to survive you have to 'not look at Brexit', which doesn't seem to make sense as a strategy.

 

[Indus]

I am not fine with Boris being the Prime minister for a full term. I am not fine with that at all.

Better hope Javid or Gove gets majority behind them.

 

[mikeymikec]

I previously thought that May leaving would have given the Tories a chance to save face and say that obviously too hard-line a Brexit policy got them nowhere so now's the time to re-think. Apparently not though.

I'm still thinking that the Tories have to come up with a plan to save face and not consign their party and the UK in general to economic oblivion because surely the defining attribute of most modern politicians is to do whatever they can to make sure they can fight another day, but the Tories seem to be derping pretty hard in recent years, maybe this poll is a valid portrayal of their party.

Better hope Javid or Gove gets majority behind them.

That Stewart guy I haven't previously heard of is the only one who's making any sense (saying that no-deal is something to be absolutely avoided), and since the Telegraph hates his guts, he sounds like the best of a bad bunch.

- edit - uh, apparently Stewart is also a prat (my emphasis):
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-on-rory-stewart-as-campaign-gathers-momentum

Stewart, who started as a rank outsider, was accused by Sajid Javid, the home secretary, of being a remain supporter despite having pledged to seek a Brexit deal and ruled out a second referendum.

 

[Commodus]

I am not fine with Boris being the Prime minister for a full term. I am not fine with that at all.

Ha, I'm assuming the leadership goes to someone who isn't a complete muppet. That or Boris flounders (which he probably will) and gets kicked out.

 

[mikeymikec]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nic-raab-eliminated-from-tory-leadership-race

I'm wondering whether the Tories are voting for BJ because they think he's a good choice as their leader or because they think he's the least awful candidate.

 

[pmv]

Ha, I'm assuming the leadership goes to someone who isn't a complete muppet. That or Boris flounders (which he probably will) and gets kicked out.

I don't think that's possible, owing to the lack of any non-muppet candidates (I suppose one might make a case for Stewart, but he has no chance). I suppose if it's Jeremy 'rhyming slang' Hunt there will be lots more journalist verbal verbal slip-ups to look forward to.

 

[WelshBloke]

I don't think that's possible, owing to the lack of any non-muppet candidates (I suppose one might make a case for Stewart, but he has no chance). I suppose if it's Jeremy 'rhyming slang' Hunt there will be lots more journalist verbal verbal slip-ups to look forward to.

Lack of muppetry is not an issue!

 

[pmv]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nic-raab-eliminated-from-tory-leadership-race

I'm wondering whether the Tories are voting for BJ because they think he's a good choice as their leader or because they think he's the least awful candidate.

They think he has charisma - i.e. he has funny hair and is on TV a lot.

Lack of muppetry is not an issue!
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It's time to play the music
It's time to light the lights
t's time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

It's time to put on makeup
It's time to dress up right
It's time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.

Why do we always come here
I guess we'll never know
It's like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show

...etc


(the only problem is that the actual Muppets were awesome and would be a much stronger set of candidates)

 

[pmv]

This flatters them, unfortunately.

 

[nickqt]

Not a surprise that right-wing authoritarians hate their own fellow citizens enough to want to destroy their own country, if it means they get to retain power over the smoking ash heap. It's a feature, and not a bug, of modern radical, movement-conservatism.