You too can help build a fence to drasticallly decrease ILLEGAL Immigration

[MS13]

Bush Administration, like so many others, is said to be "bought out" in steadfastly refusing to enforce immigration law and encouraging more to come here illegally. Even immigration reform lobbyist John Clark says he does not believe the federal government will ever have sufficient interest in securing our borders, based on his decades-old struggle with Washington. There is simply too much special interest money in cheap, easily-exploited labor, and politicians who hope to give amnesty to illegals in order to build their voter base are running into direct conflict with the law and 70-80% of the American people, who want severe crack-downs on the southern border according to all lucrative polls.

Proposal: To patch and extend U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952 miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting, motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor, donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million

All it takes is a $10 donation from each of 2,300,000 people, and we can completely fence-off the southern border!



Border Fence Project

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: MS13
Bush Administration, like so many others, is said to be "bought out" in steadfastly refusing to enforce immigration law and encouraging more to come here illegally. Even immigration reform lobbyist John Clark says he does not believe the federal government will ever have sufficient interest in securing our borders, based on his decades-old struggle with Washington. There is simply too much special interest money in cheap, easily-exploited labor, and politicians who hope to give amnesty to illegals in order to build their voter base are running into direct conflict with the law and 70-80% of the American people, who want severe crack-downs on the southern border according to all lucrative polls.

Proposal: To patch and extend U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952 miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting, motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor, donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million

All it takes is a $10 donation from each of 2,300,000 people, and we can completely fence-off the southern border!



Border Fence Project

So you're going to waste money on a brick wall/moat and still not do a thing about the real problem (the employers who lust for the cheap labor)?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: MS13
Bush Administration, like so many others, is said to be "bought out" in steadfastly refusing to enforce immigration law and encouraging more to come here illegally. Even immigration reform lobbyist John Clark says he does not believe the federal government will ever have sufficient interest in securing our borders, based on his decades-old struggle with Washington. There is simply too much special interest money in cheap, easily-exploited labor, and politicians who hope to give amnesty to illegals in order to build their voter base are running into direct conflict with the law and 70-80% of the American people, who want severe crack-downs on the southern border according to all lucrative polls.

Proposal: To patch and extend U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952 miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting, motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor, donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million

All it takes is a $10 donation from each of 2,300,000 people, and we can completely fence-off the southern border!



Border Fence Project

So you're going to waste money on a brick wall/moat and still not do a thing about the real problem (the employers who lust for the cheap labor)?

Nah, the same group can organize to get illegal plants hired then shoot the business owners who hire them.

 

[babylon5]

Shoot the business owners? Sounds drastic

 

[Witling]

And how does this fence stop the eximated 4.5 million illegal immigrants who are NOT from Mexico? See Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics, p 4. You like simple solutions, but they don't work.

 

[techs]

Who said, "Fixed fortifications are a testament to mans stupidity" (or something like that)?
You can tunnel under, go over or just plain break it down a wall. Hundreds of miles of which will be in desolate areas. A wall requires men to man it to be any kind of a impediment at all.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

Originally posted by: techs
Who said, "Fixed fortifications are a testament to mans stupidity" (or something like that)?
You can tunnel under, go over or just plain break it down a wall. Hundreds of miles of which will be in desolate areas. A wall requires men to man it to be any kind of a impediment at all.

i think it was patton.

idea: troops need places to train, middle east is desert like, southern border is desert like so lets give the southern border to the military to use as a training ground. we'll call it The Joint Combat Training and Preperation Range or something. we can do the same thing with the northern border and call it the Joint Combat Training and Preperation Range for Snowy and Montainlike Conditions.

now should someone hop the border and stumble into a military exercise and get run over by a tank, well thats tough for them.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: MS13
Bush Administration, like so many others, is said to be "bought out" in steadfastly refusing to enforce immigration law and encouraging more to come here illegally. Even immigration reform lobbyist John Clark says he does not believe the federal government will ever have sufficient interest in securing our borders, based on his decades-old struggle with Washington. There is simply too much special interest money in cheap, easily-exploited labor, and politicians who hope to give amnesty to illegals in order to build their voter base are running into direct conflict with the law and 70-80% of the American people, who want severe crack-downs on the southern border according to all lucrative polls.

Proposal: To patch and extend U.S.-Mexico border fence along all 1952 miles of southern border using high-tech TV cameras, microphones, lighting, motion and other electronic sensors, with voluntary civilian labor, donations, private border-ranch fencing profits, and maintenance teams, for less than $2.50 per foot or $23 million

All it takes is a $10 donation from each of 2,300,000 people, and we can completely fence-off the southern border!



Border Fence Project

That's some funny $hit, thanks. Right wing racist starts some laughable fence project. His graphs at the bottom are classic.

 

[Steeplerot]

Sounds like a great idea, that is until people jack the fancy cameras and motion detectors and sell the metal of the fence for scrap :laugh:

 

[judasmachine]

is not most of the border privately owned land? i mean it's your own business to build a fence around it or not, right? i think it's silly but i guess it's within the landowner's rights.

 

[CessnaFlyer]

Originally posted by: babylon5
Shoot the business owners? Sounds drastic

They are commiting treason, and should be shot!

 

[JacobJ]

The thing about fences is they keep migrant workers from going BACK to mexico.

Chew on that one.

 

[IronWing]

Their design sucks. It is a lot easier and cheaper to cut fence than to install fence. At least they'll have great photos of the folks who cut their fence.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
The thing about fences is they keep migrant workers from going BACK to mexico.

Chew on that one.

Why would they want to do that? We give them housing, education, free use of our ERs, we willing displace American workers so that they can work for peanuts.... they hit the jackpot over here! We're Vicente Fox's welfare system.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: JacobJ
The thing about fences is they keep migrant workers from going BACK to mexico.

Chew on that one.

Why would they want to do that? We give them housing, education, free use of our ERs, we willing displace American workers so that they can work for peanuts.... they hit the jackpot over here! We're Vicente Fox's welfare system.

Doesn't matter. The fact is that as crossing the border has become harder, a much larger percentage of migrant workers are staying in the US. (THis is according to this guy: http://inequality.cornell.edu/people/bios/massey.shtml)

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Witling
And how does this fence stop the eximated 4.5 million illegal immigrants who are NOT from Mexico? See Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics, p 4. You like simple solutions, but they don't work.

According to that chart, 81% are from Mexico or Latin America. I've read stat's that indicate almost 8% of the illegals they do apprehend crossing the border have criminal records.

When we catch non-Mexican illegal immigrants they are given a court date and released. 75% of them don't bother to come back for the court date. It's called the "catch and release" program, they've even released known rapists and murderer's.

Originally posted by: babylon5
Shoot the business owners? Sounds drastic

Just start out with fines of $5000 minimum per illegal employee and some mandatory jail time for anybody caught employing over 2 illegals. In order to do that, we need to implement a way for the employers to easily check out their potential employees for their immigration status.

Originally posted by: JacobJ
The thing about fences is they keep migrant workers from going BACK to mexico.

Chew on that one.

Yeah, we wouldn't want them not being able to go home for an extended vacation after making the "big bucks" and sending them home. Besides, all they have to do is go to the goverment and they will get a free ride home.

Why make the poor people walk home?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I've read stat's that indicate almost 8% of the illegals they do apprehend crossing the border have criminal records.

Before you believe some random stats please look up the site where you get it, what research foundation or whatever, there is a LOT of disinformation out there from hate groups. SPLC is the best place to stay up to date whos feeding you white nationalist anti-latino crap and who is legit. (and lou dobbs and oreilly have dipped right into these "studies") Youd be very surprised about numbersUSA and CFIS where you get this stuff.

Same thing for random scandals against dems, you would go look up the dirt on the people saying someone is corrupt when it comes to peoples civil rights caution should be used to the upmost. This matter is very complicated and there are probably billions of republican dollars involved through corporate dealings.

Figure out whos best interest it is to feed you this stuff and you will see this issue in a whole other light. You know the deal:FOLLOW THE MONEY

It is nowhere as simple as "illegal" thats the easiest route, to make you feel satisfied and case closed. remember these are the people that used catchwords like WMD. And look at how honest that was.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I've read stat's that indicate almost 8% of the illegals they do apprehend crossing the border have criminal records.

Before you believe some random stats please look up the site where you get it, what research foundation or whatever, there is a LOT of disinformation out there from hate groups. SPLC is the best place to stay up to date whos feeding you white nationalist anti-latino crap and who is legit. (and lou dobbs and oreilly have dipped right into these "studies") Youd be very surprised about numbersUSA and CFIS where you get this stuff.

Same thing for random scandals against dems, you would go look up the dirt on the people saying someone is corrupt when it comes to peoples civil rights caution should be used to the upmost. This matter is very complicated and there are probably billions of republican dollars involved through corporate dealings.

Figure out whos best interest it is to feed you this stuff and you will see this issue in a whole other light. You know the deal:FOLLOW THE MONEY

It is nowhere as simple as "illegal" thats the easiest route, to make you feel satisfied and case closed. remember these are the people that used catchwords like WMD. And look at how honest that was.

The stat came from a speech President Bush gave in Arizona in which he stated that since the begining of his Presidency, they have intercepted 350,000 illegals with criminal records out of a total of 4.5 million they caught trying to enter the country.

Since I've taken office we've increased funding for border security by 60 percent. Our border agents have used that funding to apprehend and send home more than 4.5 million people coming into our country illegally, including more than 350,000 with criminal records.

350,000/4,500,00=7.8%

Later in the speech he says:

Listen, there's a lot of opinions on this proposal -- I understand that. But people in this debate must recognize that we will not be able to effectively enforce our immigration laws until we create a temporary worker program. The program that I proposed would not create an automatic path to citizenship, it wouldn't provide for amnesty -- I oppose amnesty. Rewarding those who have broken the law would encourage others to break the law and keep pressure on our border.

Which is what I've been saying, they just want to create a second class citizen that will be afraid to say anything against their employer for fear of losing their job. Maybe you see that as good news, but I don't.

The whole speech HERE

 

[Witling]

Ah EZ, we cross swords again. You said,

The stat came from a speech President Bush gave in Arizona in which he stated that since the begining of his Presidency, they have intercepted 350,000 illegals with criminal records out of a total of 4.5 million they caught trying to enter the country.

Is this the same guy who told us that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? That they'd be welcoming us with flowers? That everything is OK in Iraq? That President Bush?

 

[CessnaFlyer]

Originally posted by: Witling
Ah EZ, we cross swords again. You said,

The stat came from a speech President Bush gave in Arizona in which he stated that since the begining of his Presidency, they have intercepted 350,000 illegals with criminal records out of a total of 4.5 million they caught trying to enter the country.

Is this the same guy who told us that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? That they'd be welcoming us with flowers? That everything is OK in Iraq? That President Bush?

Weapons programs were there, read the report!

There are over 22,000 photo's of US troops being given flowers by Iraqi's!

Things are going very well in Iraq, they had an election!

 

[johnnobts]

uh, nice hijack of post. build the fence, remember. a big, big fence... and don't tell me it won't reduce illegal immigration. the illegal advocates (hillary clinton) are saying they want a virtual wall.... illegals are trying to tell us a real fence won't work b/c they know it will vbe effective... just look at Israel as a modern example.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
uh, nice hijack of post. build the fence, remember. a big, big fence... and don't tell me it won't reduce illegal immigration. the illegal advocates (hillary clinton, John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George W. Bush) are saying they want a virtual wall.... illegals are trying to tell us a real fence won't work b/c they know it will vbe effective... just look at Israel as a modern example.

Fixed for you!

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
idea: troops need places to train, middle east is desert like, southern border is desert like so lets give the southern border to the military to use as a training ground. we'll call it The Joint Combat Training and Preperation Range or something. we can do the same thing with the northern border and call it the Joint Combat Training and Preperation Range for Snowy and Montainlike Conditions.

now should someone hop the border and stumble into a military exercise and get run over by a tank, well thats tough for them.

You know that the US-Mexican border already is the border where most illegal immigrants die each year? If the potential profit is high or their present situation desperate, people will risk their lifes. Another example for this is the Iberian peninsula. Now that Spain and Morocco have improved their border guard cooperation, illegal immigrants attempt to reach Europe with boats from Mauritania (!).

 

[BeauJangles]

Simply idiotic. Not only will a fence NOT be able to stop illegal immigrants, it is the supposed "quick fix" to a problem that is fundamnetal in the world today. Instead of trying to meet this problem head on, we want to fence ourselves in? Are you kidding?

 

[Witling]

CesnaFlyer, I think that people like you who advance a proposition but don't provide a link are twits. All hat, no cattle. That was my exact point with EZ. Sources matter. What report?