You know when the welfare system is messed up when...

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Kur
A lady walks into a store, brings 3 friends tells them to pick out a carton of cigs and charges it on her vision card. And there's nothing I can do to stop it.

This is part of what's wrong with welfare...it solicits ignorant and naive judgments by people towards welfare recipients and the welfare system as a whole that are often unfair and unfounded.

How do you know that the woman didn't urgently need baby clothes that she couldn't afford and couldn't buy with her type of public assistance, and got them from friends in exchange for cigarettes? Bartering isn't supposed to happen, but if you're poor you're going to do what you have to do, and I don't have the slightest problem with a circumstance like that, and I would do the same if necessary.

I also have no problem with some moochers getting assistance when they don't need it and/or don't try to get off of it, if it means that the people who really do need it, do get it. People don't seem to have a problem with the rich getting tax cuts they don't deserve, why do people bitch so much if they see a poor person getting some money they don't deserve.

The fact is there will always be people who try to cheat the system, even if they are making millions of dollars, so of course some poor people will cheat the welfare system as well. But that doesn't diminish the significant value that welfare has on many people's lives.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Aimster
so what is stopping college students from simply signing up for welfare if it doesn't ruin your credit?

Pretty sure they have requirements that prevent that...

In Texas, you have to turn in three job applications a month, not be anyone's dependent, and must state that you would leave college if offered a job opportunity

[Edit] Oh wait, that's unemployment

 

[jackace]

Welfare is almost impossible to get unless you have kids. Then its easy as pie.

Single male with no job. You would need to prove some disability that prevents you from working to get on welfare.

Its pretty sickening what people do though. I was living in florida for a few months and this chick next door had 3 kids and did not work at all. It seemed like every man in town came by her place in a month too. She even told me one day she is looking for a new daddy for number 4 because she can then get $250 more a month in support from the Government. Her rent was paid, her utilities were paid, her food was paid (food stamps), and she was given money to spend on other things as well. Probably close to $2k a month total she got. Its not great money by no means, but its a WHOLE lot better then the other people that have pride in themselves and actually go work for minimum wage. (think it was $6 or so then) Our system is screwed up when we help people lay on there @sses and do nothing, but the person working a full-time minimum wage job trying to do the best they can can't get any help because they weren't irresponsible and brought children into this world. Sex is not a right, its a responsibility, and some people will never learn that so I'm for sterilization myself. You want government aid for your children, then you give up your right to bring anymore children to this world. Male and Female both IMHO. If your child's mom is on welfare then you must get a vasectomy.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Kur
A lady walks into a store, brings 3 friends tells them to pick out a carton of cigs and charges it on her vision card. And there's nothing I can do to stop it.

This is part of what's wrong with welfare...it solicits ignorant and naive judgments by people towards welfare recipients and the welfare system as a whole that are often unfair and unfounded.

How do you know that the woman didn't urgently need baby clothes that she couldn't afford and couldn't buy with her type of public assistance, and got them from friends in exchange for cigarettes? Bartering isn't supposed to happen, but if you're poor you're going to do what you have to do, and I don't have the slightest problem with a circumstance like that, and I would do the same if necessary.

I also have no problem with some moochers getting assistance when they don't need it and/or don't try to get off of it, if it means that the people who really do need it, do get it. People don't seem to have a problem with the rich getting tax cuts they don't deserve, why do people bitch so much if they see a poor person getting some money they don't deserve.

The fact is there will always be people who try to cheat the system, even if they are making millions of dollars, so of course some poor people will cheat the welfare system as well. But that doesn't diminish the significant value that welfare has on many people's lives.

i know nothing of your welfare system but the way i see it (and knowing how much a packet of fags cost in my country) if she can somehow afford a couple of packets of fags then im pretty sure that money could of been used on baby clothes.

where i live fags are like ~ £5 for a packet of 20,

so 3 times that.... £15 quid. you can go to ASDA (our version of wal*mart) and by baby clothes and still have change

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

How do you force them to take the pills?

I'd rather not increase welfare costs considerably by paying for tons of unused birth control, thanks.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

How do you force them to take the pills?

I'd rather not increase welfare costs considerably by paying for tons of unused birth control, thanks.

yeah its completely impratical but one can only wish.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Shhhh! Welfare works great!

..yes. Liberal dogma says only examine the alleged good intentions. Not the results.

For every crook there are 1000 people that actually need it and use it as it's intended.

Conservative dogma examines the single outlier in the data instead of the positive results.

I'd love to remove most of the welfare system and put a maximum time limit, but I hate it when morons like GBT start flapping their lips and repeat the same garbage that they heard on FOX news.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Kur

I also have no problem with some moochers getting assistance when they don't need it and/or don't try to get off of it, if it means that the people who really do need it, do get it. People don't seem to have a problem with the rich getting tax cuts they don't deserve, why do people bitch so much if they see a poor person getting some money they don't deserve.

Exactly, that's the biggest problem I have with most Republicans. They're hypocrites; they criticize the welfare system and then turn around and give billions of dollars to the people that don't need it.

Most members of the fortune 500 threw that money in places where it will never see investment. In fact, some of them even looked down on the tax cuts for giving them money that they didn't need (but were certainly glad to pocket).

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

That's discrimination against poor people. They have the right to procreate just like anyone else - after all, it's not their fault they can't support themselves.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

That's discrimination against poor people. They have the right to procreate just like anyone else - after all, it's not their fault they can't support themselves.

if they can't adequately support themselves without assistance, i dont see why its fair for them to bring a child into this world

 

[darkeneddays]

After working in the grocery business for 8+ years, I can honestly say that maybe 10% of all EBT users I see, purchase healthy foods. It's one thing to mooch the system, which many do, but what grinds my gears is a woman with 4 kids and a $600 EBT limit buying nothing but Oreos and Sodas. No raw meats or veggies, just 2 buggy loads of pure junk. Sickening...

 

[DefDC]

Hmm... Instead of giving away free money, how about the gov't sends you to a room. With nothing to do. You just sit there for 8 hours. No books, no TV or radio. You're going to "work", one way or another... Would you rather get paid a decent wage, or welfare?

Just a thought.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

That's discrimination against poor people. They have the right to procreate just like anyone else - after all, it's not their fault they can't support themselves.

if they can't adequately support themselves without assistance, i dont see why its fair for them to bring a child into this world

Because poor people don't PLAN to get pregnant, it just happens. They can't help it.

 

[Freejack2]

Didn't they revise the welfare system a few years ago so they were only allowed 3 years on it?

 

[alkemyst]

around here in S. Florida it's majorly abused along with disability. You can't buy cigarettes or alcohol with the stamps, but they are very easy to trade (at a loss).

The top story I have is back in the mid 90's interning at Eckerd Drug's (now CVS Pharmacy). We had a lady decked out in all sorts of designer stuff (to quote the pharmacist, "that outfit is over $1000"), pulled up in a high end SUV, looked totally fit and healthy yet had a disabled tag and was claiming welfare. We'd supply quite a few prescriptions, diapers, formulas by the case, etc. The pharmacist saw a lot of this...many of them sell the items at the local flea markets and many sell the items overseas to their home countries for major profits.

Their tricks are doing something for employment under the table. They do require you to look for work, but who couldn't blow getting hired with just being an asshat on the interview. Don't ever try and eat next to a welfare office either as you will see a bunch of them barge in to the front of the lines demanding a job...when they are basically asked to leave; they just met the job search requirement for that time period.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: sixone

Because SOME poor people don't PLAN to get pregnant, it just happens. They can't help it.

fixed. I got by 20 years now having sex a lot without anyone getting pregnant, so have most of my friends.

My thoughts on this are accidents do happen and abortion/adoption is not really fair to force on someone. However; I do agree with forced birth control by injection once on welfare or an agreement that pregnancy will violate the terms. It would be more difficult to enforce for men as vasectomy is invasive and not always reversible.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

That's discrimination against poor people. They have the right to procreate just like anyone else - after all, it's not their fault they can't support themselves.

That's sarcasm I hope.

 

[Kur]

Originally posted by: jjsole

This is part of what's wrong with welfare...it solicits ignorant and naive judgments by people towards welfare recipients and the welfare system as a whole that are often unfair and unfounded.

How do you know that the woman didn't urgently need baby clothes that she couldn't afford and couldn't buy with her type of public assistance, and got them from friends in exchange for cigarettes? Bartering isn't supposed to happen, but if you're poor you're going to do what you have to do, and I don't have the slightest problem with a circumstance like that, and I would do the same if necessary.

Because I could still smell them a few seconds after they left (cig smell)

Edit: If shes on welfare and has a kid she is most likely on the other state program that gives you milk, eggs, and diapers every week.

I will say that I do see people who need welfare and don't abuse it. They don't cause any problems and are simply happy to be even getting food. I'm just sick and tired of seeing people buy cigs with my tax money. The vision card is EBT it's just what my state calls the card.

 

[Codewiz]

I believe there is a place for welfare but if you don't know about the fraud and abuse that happens under the current welfare and disability systems, then you are just plain ignorant.

Why work when the government will pay you not to work. There is no limit to it. In my hometown, there is a lawyer who is buddies with a certain judge. Between those two and about $2000, they will get you complete disability benefits. Everyone knows about it. The system is broken.

Do we ignore the broken system or fix it? Limit welfare to 5 years for your LIFE. Disability claims should be reevaluated by a different doctor EVERY year. Problem solved and we will have more production members of society and STILL helps the people that need help. Why is it wrong to fix the system while allowing the people who need people to get it.

I guess my mom raising me while only making 18K/year without any government assistance trained my libertarian mind wrong.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

That's discrimination against poor people. They have the right to procreate just like anyone else - after all, it's not their fault they can't support themselves.

That's sarcasm I hope.

Actually, it's a direct quote from someone who was defending the welfare system to me. So was my quote about pregnancy "just happening". He said that a lot of people are just "too stupid" to get an education and a job, or to prevent pregnancy, so it's our job to "take care" of them.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

It's actually lose-lose. Smoke = cancer = more bills shoved on to society.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: compnovice

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Aimster
does welfare mess up your credit?

Nope, doesn't affect it.

You gotta be kidding :Q

Nope. I used welfare for a short time while I finished my degree and it has absolutely no effect on my credit. I still had credit cards and could still purchase a vehicle if I needed. However, assets and savings will affect your ability to get welfare. For instance, when I was on it, you couldn't have more than $2000 in your bank accounts at any time.

But as far as messing with your credit, it doesn't.

 

[Marinski]

I remember this guy i used to work with, who was on welfare and had 2 kids, told me he wanted to have another kid so he didn't lose his welfare.

 

[intogamer]

I already knew it was messed up

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
mandatory birth control while on government welfare. Smoke all you want, as long as you dont procreate.

someone should get on this

You can get on it if you want, sounds like fun making sure everyone actually takes the meds/gets the shot.

How about actually monitoring it like the organization is supposed to? The place to start is where they should be already.