Which chapter will you be joining? (university?) I actually was part of the group that started the chapter in UC Davis. Our parties were BYOB and didnt have pledges. If people wanted to join, they were interviewed by a panel, then become a full member upon admission.
Which chapter will you be joining? (university?) I actually was part of the group that started the chapter in UC Davis. Our parties were BYOB and didnt have pledges. If people wanted to join, they were interviewed by a panel, then become a full member upon admission.
Americans love to stereo type about fraternities, and these stereotypes are fueled by media only focusing on the 'bad'. I'm a SigEp at UC Irvine, and we don't force anyone to do anything they don't want to do. In addition, we have Kick ASS FORMALS, SOrority Socials/Exchanges and many more things that YOU CANT do when you're not in a Fraternity. I've visited SigEp houses at other schools.... some I like... some I don't like. But don't be ignorant -- a fraternity is only a function of the people in it. If its bad, then its because the people in it are inherintly bad.
Rush SigEp @ UCI
Rush SigEp @ UCI
SigEpUCI said it right-it's all a matter of who is in it. I was never in a fraternity, but I was pretty far "in" with my girlfriend's brother's house, and 2 years later, it went from being a pretty respectable and fun group of guys, to a bunch of complete jerks. Gf's brother doesn't even associate with them anymore.
My closest friend was in AXP, and he is the greatest friend you could ask for. The guy would lay his life on the line for me without a second thought, and I found that a number of his fraternity brothers were very much the same. I went to Cancún with them my senior year and they accepted me as their own.
As in any large group of people, there are cliques. There were many people in AXP that my friend hardly associated with.
It's like religion. Good for some, bad for others. You should take what you want out of it and if you don't "get" it you shouldn't bag on those that do.
That's an entirely different point altogether. Nevermind creating rank and heirarchy within the student body. Why don't we prevent the faculty from hiding behind tenure and academic degrees as an excuse to do a halfassed job? Why don't we do something about them scamming the PAYING students because they are more interested in "research" than "teaching?"
Higher education long ago degraded from a shared, close learning experience, to a purely commercial venture which now hides behind the benign guise of "education" in order to scam thousands of dollars from students who come excited to learn, and depart glad to not have to deal with that crap at least until they go for their next degree.
My closest friend was in AXP, and he is the greatest friend you could ask for. The guy would lay his life on the line for me without a second thought, and I found that a number of his fraternity brothers were very much the same. I went to Cancún with them my senior year and they accepted me as their own.
As in any large group of people, there are cliques. There were many people in AXP that my friend hardly associated with.
It's like religion. Good for some, bad for others. You should take what you want out of it and if you don't "get" it you shouldn't bag on those that do.
That's an entirely different point altogether. Nevermind creating rank and heirarchy within the student body. Why don't we prevent the faculty from hiding behind tenure and academic degrees as an excuse to do a halfassed job? Why don't we do something about them scamming the PAYING students because they are more interested in "research" than "teaching?"
Higher education long ago degraded from a shared, close learning experience, to a purely commercial venture which now hides behind the benign guise of "education" in order to scam thousands of dollars from students who come excited to learn, and depart glad to not have to deal with that crap at least until they go for their next degree.
Check out the Skull house before you make any decisions...They are very active in other areas on campus, and hold many offices in other organizations. They also throw kick-ass parties and are a great group of guys.
I was in a fraternity for a year and I deactivated, if that tells you anything.
1. I don't need or want to live in a hovel with 60 other guys who can't even hit the toilet when they take a crap.
2. I have never seen more stuff get stolen per week. From mail to bikes to deliveries to DVDs. Someone was always bitching about getting robbed.
3. I don't want to have to haze people to join the "club." BTW, official policy was "we don't haze." *cough* BS *cough*
4. You're obligated to attend dinners and meetings left and right.
5. The dances / invites are fun but you're pressured into meeting sorority girls. Don't get me started on them.
6. I've never seen a bigger bunch of drunkards outside of an AA meeting in Dublin.
7. There was a fight or run-in with cops at every party. Cleanup afterwards was like scrubbing down the bulimia ward at a hospital.
8. You are obligated to hate at least 3 other fraternities on campus.
1. I don't need or want to live in a hovel with 60 other guys who can't even hit the toilet when they take a crap.
2. I have never seen more stuff get stolen per week. From mail to bikes to deliveries to DVDs. Someone was always bitching about getting robbed.
3. I don't want to have to haze people to join the "club." BTW, official policy was "we don't haze." *cough* BS *cough*
4. You're obligated to attend dinners and meetings left and right.
5. The dances / invites are fun but you're pressured into meeting sorority girls. Don't get me started on them.
6. I've never seen a bigger bunch of drunkards outside of an AA meeting in Dublin.
7. There was a fight or run-in with cops at every party. Cleanup afterwards was like scrubbing down the bulimia ward at a hospital.
8. You are obligated to hate at least 3 other fraternities on campus.
Rant on. I personally see people in such organizations as such fakers to society it's incredible. They play off that they're good buddies or sisters for life, but that rarely happens. The "I LOVE MY DELTA ZETA SISTERS!" (re: quick pun- they're known as the 'Easy DeeZee's') multi-color shoepolish on every Explorer in the parking lot gets old- they do this to the new rushing 'sisters' who have no idea who they are. Yeah, that's LOVE alright. I have the cunning urge to shoepolish "I HATE MY DELTA ZETA B1TCHES!" or "I HATE MY FRATERNITY" on a few of them. They have fake attitudes, low self-esteem (which they cover up with the fake attitudes), personalities of a clueless-to-life-yet-happy gopher, and in general act like a bunch of idiots at any public gatherings (pep rallies, school events, football games, etc).... what's this?... you have to PAY to be in one on top of all that? I'm trying to restrain myself from doubling over in my chair in hysterical laughter here. It's fake wherever you look. Yeah they make a LOT of sense to me.
I have enough friends that I don't feel the need to rent any more.
This is how it is at my school anyway, and at the majority of others I've visited as well. YMMV at your own school or organization, but this is how most people see it no matter where you go. Rant off.
This is how it is at my school anyway, and at the majority of others I've visited as well. YMMV at your own school or organization, but this is how most people see it no matter where you go. Rant off.
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Im in Sammy, sigma alpha mu.
As for what people are saying, u all see one side of the greek system. I bet you didnt see me on a saturday morning, numerous times, at the soup kitchen giving my time. Or what about when i helped hand out flyers on breast cancer. Or what about when i played in a basketball tournament raising money for HIV/AIDS.
If you have personal experience with fraternity/sorority people, and that is still your opinion then great. But to say what you say based on the few encounters you have had with some of us having a good time, then your being close minded. So just because im part of an organization that has a good time, and i mean a good time, together its considered wrong. So basically if a group of 3 or 4 friends get drunk together its ok b/c they arent a fraternity?
I dont pay for my friends. I pay for national insurance protecting me from any accidents i have while doing a nationally approved fraternity event, i pay for materials to set up these awareness events, i pay for the gas used to go to the soup kitchen on the weekends, i pay for the house we all live in.
Get your facts down, before you write off the greek system. Oh yea, and know what i've landed many of jobs DUE to the fact that i have thousands of connections across the nation. And even if you are more qualified than i am, and the hiring agent is in my fraternity, guess who gets preference.
I dont pay for friends. I invest my time/money in things i feel that have value and a good cause. And if i make some friends in the end, then i truly win.
So what if i said to computer geeks, LAN parties are so gay. Play video games all night, bunch of hermits.
Thats dumb. I LOVE video games and have missed many a fraternity parties to play CS or Diablo II with friends NOT in the fraternity.
Dont rant on the WHOLE, rant on the FEW.
As for what people are saying, u all see one side of the greek system. I bet you didnt see me on a saturday morning, numerous times, at the soup kitchen giving my time. Or what about when i helped hand out flyers on breast cancer. Or what about when i played in a basketball tournament raising money for HIV/AIDS.
If you have personal experience with fraternity/sorority people, and that is still your opinion then great. But to say what you say based on the few encounters you have had with some of us having a good time, then your being close minded. So just because im part of an organization that has a good time, and i mean a good time, together its considered wrong. So basically if a group of 3 or 4 friends get drunk together its ok b/c they arent a fraternity?
I dont pay for my friends. I pay for national insurance protecting me from any accidents i have while doing a nationally approved fraternity event, i pay for materials to set up these awareness events, i pay for the gas used to go to the soup kitchen on the weekends, i pay for the house we all live in.
Get your facts down, before you write off the greek system. Oh yea, and know what i've landed many of jobs DUE to the fact that i have thousands of connections across the nation. And even if you are more qualified than i am, and the hiring agent is in my fraternity, guess who gets preference.
I dont pay for friends. I invest my time/money in things i feel that have value and a good cause. And if i make some friends in the end, then i truly win.
So what if i said to computer geeks, LAN parties are so gay. Play video games all night, bunch of hermits.
Thats dumb. I LOVE video games and have missed many a fraternity parties to play CS or Diablo II with friends NOT in the fraternity.
Dont rant on the WHOLE, rant on the FEW.
Ooh, a fanboy... delicious...
Nobody could get me into a fraternity unless they paid ME. And even then, it would have to be a salary and a sizable bonus with a new car.
And that's what normal, respectable college students do. I think it sounds great too! Kudos on not drinking- I do, but I never did until I turned 21. Keep it up!
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now im not respectable OR normal...............its just goes on and on and on and on. You;re like the people that i talk to and have no problem with me. Then they say ur'e in a frat? And when i say yes, they're views are changed and ask my why i made the mistake.
No understanding at all.
No understanding at all.
Please allow me to join the fray...
UDT89 approached this hostile conversation in a dignified way, by surpressing accusations and offering evidence that lends support to the fact that not all fraternities are cess-pools, (in fact, i would further say that many fraternities at smaller schools tend to be more "correct" than their counterparts at large state schools and enormous private institutions - I can say this because i have seen many organizations)
That rarely happens? Please enlighten us on your detailed experience with this matter.
Thats quite a generalization there. So I take it you know all of them??? Or even most of them???
Again another common misconception. The money pays for insurance, as well funds your philanthropic events, and furthermore your formals, exchanges, etc....
Yes thats right... Oh wait, do I see you at the soup kitchen volunteering your time, or raising money for big brothers and sisters, or contributing anything to the community? No! I see you like to pursue your own capitalistic goals by reading about how to start your own business
Chris Acquiring Knowledge!
and then proceeding to sell worthless cellphone nameplates on ebay
Chris In action
and finally boosting your self-image by bragging about the fact that you are taking 18 hours this quarter!
Hey guess what, Im in a fraternity and took 24 hours, and pulled out four A+'s and an A
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Ohhh I bet that just lends fuel to the fire! Mind you I had a great time also while in college!
(BTW you should work on those margins, study some economic theory!)
Ahh alas you admit that your knowledge is only limited to a few campuses. Ahh well, you use the term rant pretty liberally. What are you so angry about? Were you wronged somehow, were you rejected, or did you formulate these opinions because you feared rejection? In anyevent, I don't care, ignorance is a convenient excuse to spread inaccurate information.
Cheers!
UDT89 approached this hostile conversation in a dignified way, by surpressing accusations and offering evidence that lends support to the fact that not all fraternities are cess-pools, (in fact, i would further say that many fraternities at smaller schools tend to be more "correct" than their counterparts at large state schools and enormous private institutions - I can say this because i have seen many organizations)
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That rarely happens? Please enlighten us on your detailed experience with this matter.
Thats quite a generalization there. So I take it you know all of them??? Or even most of them???
Again another common misconception. The money pays for insurance, as well funds your philanthropic events, and furthermore your formals, exchanges, etc....
It's fake wherever you look. Yeah they make a LOT of sense to me.I have enough friends that I don't feel the need to rent any more.
Yes thats right... Oh wait, do I see you at the soup kitchen volunteering your time, or raising money for big brothers and sisters, or contributing anything to the community? No! I see you like to pursue your own capitalistic goals by reading about how to start your own business
Chris Acquiring Knowledge!
and then proceeding to sell worthless cellphone nameplates on ebay
Chris In action
and finally boosting your self-image by bragging about the fact that you are taking 18 hours this quarter!
Hey guess what, Im in a fraternity and took 24 hours, and pulled out four A+'s and an A
Old Transcript
Ohhh I bet that just lends fuel to the fire! Mind you I had a great time also while in college!
(BTW you should work on those margins, study some economic theory!)
Ahh alas you admit that your knowledge is only limited to a few campuses. Ahh well, you use the term rant pretty liberally. What are you so angry about? Were you wronged somehow, were you rejected, or did you formulate these opinions because you feared rejection? In anyevent, I don't care, ignorance is a convenient excuse to spread inaccurate information.
Cheers!
No.
Lots of cool guys to chill with in them, but still too many assholes in there. I have friends in fraternities, and I'll go to the occasional Pike party (GREAT parties), but there are just too many "stereotypical" frat boys in there that make me think twice.
To me, it comes down to this question:
What can you do by paying up to $3000 a semester to be a Greek that you can't do by yourself?
- Make Friends? I have tons of friends that I made from classes, work, neighbors. These are friends I trust with my problems, my car, and even the keys to my place.
- Meet girls? Find me a sorority girl who doesn't have major fricking issues or live up to the sterotype and I'll show you one surprised mofo. I'll pass on those. I have plenty of quality girl friends through class/work/etc.
- Help society at large? Fundraising, soup kitchens, etc..? There are hundreds of non profit organizations which do just that and are actively recruiting volunteers.
- Party? Please, there are just as many parties off the row any given weekend as there are on. Plus, they have the added benefit of less cockblocking by horny frat guys and no run-ins with police or rival fraternity members.
In my year with a fraternity, I was yet to be convinced that it was worth all that money each semester. If you like having your friends and social life handed to you on a party platter, by all means, join up.
Personally, I detested how everyone hid behind a veil of patronizing friendship they called "brotherhood." Real friends come from people you have lots in common with and suffer through real life experiences alongside, not from being trapped in a room blindfolded and forced to drink beer. The Greek system breeds an attitude that is humanitarian only when it suits them as well. Sure, they're all about community service, etc., but do you want to explain the trashing of neighboring areas, especially during parties? The fights and raids with other fraternities? The stealing? The driving up and down the row at 3AM honking for whatever goddamn reason?
So for you fraternity folks out there who are happy where you are, good for you. I have no qualms about the way you want to live your life. Just keep in mind that outside your frat house, there's a real world with people who aren't brainwashed with the same conformist ideals.
What can you do by paying up to $3000 a semester to be a Greek that you can't do by yourself?
- Make Friends? I have tons of friends that I made from classes, work, neighbors. These are friends I trust with my problems, my car, and even the keys to my place.
- Meet girls? Find me a sorority girl who doesn't have major fricking issues or live up to the sterotype and I'll show you one surprised mofo. I'll pass on those. I have plenty of quality girl friends through class/work/etc.
- Help society at large? Fundraising, soup kitchens, etc..? There are hundreds of non profit organizations which do just that and are actively recruiting volunteers.
- Party? Please, there are just as many parties off the row any given weekend as there are on. Plus, they have the added benefit of less cockblocking by horny frat guys and no run-ins with police or rival fraternity members.
In my year with a fraternity, I was yet to be convinced that it was worth all that money each semester. If you like having your friends and social life handed to you on a party platter, by all means, join up.
Personally, I detested how everyone hid behind a veil of patronizing friendship they called "brotherhood." Real friends come from people you have lots in common with and suffer through real life experiences alongside, not from being trapped in a room blindfolded and forced to drink beer. The Greek system breeds an attitude that is humanitarian only when it suits them as well. Sure, they're all about community service, etc., but do you want to explain the trashing of neighboring areas, especially during parties? The fights and raids with other fraternities? The stealing? The driving up and down the row at 3AM honking for whatever goddamn reason?
So for you fraternity folks out there who are happy where you are, good for you. I have no qualms about the way you want to live your life. Just keep in mind that outside your frat house, there's a real world with people who aren't brainwashed with the same conformist ideals.
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$3000 dollars a semester.........................
do you think i'd be posting on ATOT or selling my old PC stuff on the FSFT forums if i could afford that much money a semester? I'd be out in my mommy's BMW and chilling at the yacht club. No, my semester dues are $330 for fall, and $220 for spring. I graduated last may, and they are still the same.
Everyone that knocks the system as a WHOLE, is doing the same as a racist saying every african american is a criminal.
do you think i'd be posting on ATOT or selling my old PC stuff on the FSFT forums if i could afford that much money a semester? I'd be out in my mommy's BMW and chilling at the yacht club. No, my semester dues are $330 for fall, and $220 for spring. I graduated last may, and they are still the same.
Everyone that knocks the system as a WHOLE, is doing the same as a racist saying every african american is a criminal.
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The fraternity that I was in only cost $250 a semester well worth it considering homecoming, formal, Gold tourney's (I don't even play golf but, it is fun drinking and watching everyone else suck), socials, Intermural costs, etc etc...
Rent in the house was only 125 dollars a month with the utilities split up and the franternity paying 15% of all the utilities
I am not a big fan boy of fraternities, I would definitly not pay 3000 dollars a freaking semester and I know that some do charge these exorbanant amounts
I think whether a fraternity is good or bad depends on the people in it and their attitude, I do know that some fraternities when you rush them will ask you how much your father makes before they let you in Which is total BS and I hate those fraternities (my father makes plenty of money but, that is A:none of their damn business and B: a totally idiotic elitist way of judging people).
If you want to knock something knock sororities they are the dumbest thing ever. They pay crap loads of money to be in them, they have the craziest rules
examples of stupid rules I have heard of: Not allowed to go to certain bars, not allowed to date guys in certain fraternities, not allowed to smoke in public, not allowed to drink beer out of a bottle etc etc.
Now that is freaking dumb, I was in the fraternity for 4yrs and never dated a sorority girl and never will.
Rent in the house was only 125 dollars a month with the utilities split up and the franternity paying 15% of all the utilities
I am not a big fan boy of fraternities, I would definitly not pay 3000 dollars a freaking semester and I know that some do charge these exorbanant amounts
I think whether a fraternity is good or bad depends on the people in it and their attitude, I do know that some fraternities when you rush them will ask you how much your father makes before they let you in Which is total BS and I hate those fraternities (my father makes plenty of money but, that is A:none of their damn business and B: a totally idiotic elitist way of judging people).
If you want to knock something knock sororities they are the dumbest thing ever. They pay crap loads of money to be in them, they have the craziest rules
examples of stupid rules I have heard of: Not allowed to go to certain bars, not allowed to date guys in certain fraternities, not allowed to smoke in public, not allowed to drink beer out of a bottle etc etc.
Now that is freaking dumb, I was in the fraternity for 4yrs and never dated a sorority girl and never will.
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