you guys finally realized your president is an ass....congrats

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: flavio
All I ever see Michael do is whine, must be a joy to be around in real life.

I know Michael, stop your incessant bitching. If you aren't going to be funny and amusing, take it somewhere else. Or, now that you've succeeded in getting the P&N Mod fired, are you planning to take control here and write everyone up? Permanent record? I'm sure most of us have violated AT Forum Code 8032334.29 at least a few times. You better start takin' people down, or they'll be total anarchy around here...

 

[Michael]

DealMonkey - You don't like my point of view and you can't refute my arguments, so I have to shut-up? Can't deal with the fact that you don't intimidate me and your personal attacks don't impress me?

I love the "you're whining" comments, but none address the points I'm making.

As for me getting a mod fired, how the hell would you know? What mod got fired and what could I have done to get a mod fired? You're making no sense.

You're going to have to get used to me, I'm not going anywhere.

Michael

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: flavio
You have some strange ideas of "freedom", it normally doesn't involve being occupied and controlled by a foriegn military. Are you thinking that none of the thousands of Iraqis that the US killed when they invaded were innocent?

Of course some innocent Iraqi's died. That is war. Of course, some innocent Iraqis would have been killed by Saddam if he were still in power, and many more would have died if the economic sanctions were still in place, as they would still be if the war had never happened. Iraq was not a happy place before the war, and it's not a happy place now. The only difference is that now they have a chance at emerging stronger and better. Will they do it? Who knows. But I seriously doubt this war had any major impact in the amount of innocent lives lost. The only difference is that death came from a 2000 lb bomb, instead of malnutrition or a wood chipper. Oh, and before I get labeled a Bushevik or whatever the hell the "clever" word of the month is, I'd just like to point out that there is no way in hell I'm voting for either a Dem or a Repub, so good day.

The US started a war and then killed thousands of Iraqis. You say oh well "that is war". No sh!t, that's the problem.

The sanctions should have been lifted long ago as they weren't hurting Hussein, just the people of Iraq.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: Pers
well i can remember before the war a majority of you were screaming "GO AMERICA LETS GO KILL SOME IRAQI BUTT!!"

and now...you've admitted that you were just manipulated by your own government. well some of you have.

i bet for those of you who supported the "liberating machine" bush, now you feel dumb as...well someone who shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore

...your utter ignorance and support for the war effort only led to the death of many innocent people.

but it's ok...you people still get to sleep tight, and it's not like the rest of the world will give this event as much coverage as they did 9-11.

cause always and forever and american life is 10x more important than an Iraqi one.

heh...that's just disgusting.

And where are you from my friend?

The war only led to the death of innocent people? I don't really see how you can call the leaders of Iraq innocent. Sure some innocent people died and that's sad but it was a war and things like that happen. We did our best to prevent the death of innocent people but you can completely stop it from happening.

I guess we shouldn't have freed the Iraqis though. We should have let them suffer under a brutal dictator (so France and Germany could have their oil deals).

Still wondering how people are silly enough to claim the US "freed" the Iraqis unless your idea of freedom is being invaded, occupied, and controlled by a foreign army.

If we did our best to prevent deaths it wouldn't have involved shooting directly at them.

Granted they don't really have a lot of political freedom as of yet but they have 10 times the freedom of their neighbors (Syria, Saudi Arabia, & Iran). They will eventually have a democracy which is a lot better than the pathetic coucil they have now.

As for your other comment, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. If you're talking about intentionally shooting innocent Iraqis, could you provide a link?

You have some strange ideas of "freedom", it normally doesn't involve being occupied and controlled by a foriegn military. Are you thinking that none of the thousands of Iraqis that the US killed when they invaded were innocent?

They have the freedom to say what they want without the fear of being jailed or killed. The women have the freedom to not be raped in killed by people like Uday. And I'm guessing the Olympic team won't fear being beaten any more if they don't do so well in the Olympics. Those may not seem like much but it's just a start.

It's not like our military is going to be running the country forever. A stable democracy doesn't happen over night and it doesn't happen without help.

Of course some of the Iraqis we killed were innocent. That happens in war sometimes. It's still less than Saddam has killed.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: Pers
well i can remember before the war a majority of you were screaming "GO AMERICA LETS GO KILL SOME IRAQI BUTT!!"

and now...you've admitted that you were just manipulated by your own government. well some of you have.

i bet for those of you who supported the "liberating machine" bush, now you feel dumb as...well someone who shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore

...your utter ignorance and support for the war effort only led to the death of many innocent people.

but it's ok...you people still get to sleep tight, and it's not like the rest of the world will give this event as much coverage as they did 9-11.

cause always and forever and american life is 10x more important than an Iraqi one.

heh...that's just disgusting.

And where are you from my friend?

The war only led to the death of innocent people? I don't really see how you can call the leaders of Iraq innocent. Sure some innocent people died and that's sad but it was a war and things like that happen. We did our best to prevent the death of innocent people but you can completely stop it from happening.

I guess we shouldn't have freed the Iraqis though. We should have let them suffer under a brutal dictator (so France and Germany could have their oil deals).

Still wondering how people are silly enough to claim the US "freed" the Iraqis unless your idea of freedom is being invaded, occupied, and controlled by a foreign army.

If we did our best to prevent deaths it wouldn't have involved shooting directly at them.

Granted they don't really have a lot of political freedom as of yet but they have 10 times the freedom of their neighbors (Syria, Saudi Arabia, & Iran). They will eventually have a democracy which is a lot better than the pathetic coucil they have now.

As for your other comment, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. If you're talking about intentionally shooting innocent Iraqis, could you provide a link?

You have some strange ideas of "freedom", it normally doesn't involve being occupied and controlled by a foriegn military. Are you thinking that none of the thousands of Iraqis that the US killed when they invaded were innocent?

They have the freedom to say what they want without the fear of being jailed or killed. The women have the freedom to not be raped in killed by people like Uday. And I'm guessing the Olympic team won't fear being beaten any more if they don't do so well in the Olympics. Those may not seem like much but it's just a start.

It's not like our military is going to be running the country forever. A stable democracy doesn't happen over night and it doesn't happen without help.

Of course some of the Iraqis we killed were innocent. That happens in war sometimes. It's still less than Saddam has killed.

You have your head buried in the sand or something? There's a freakin' serious rape problem right now which I just read about a couple days ago.

Human Rights Watch said crimes against women have increased along with other crime since Saddam Hussein was ousted in early April.

source

Innocents are still being shot dead by our military, and their country is controlled by a foreign army...so get of this ridiculous Iraqi Freedom BS. You've been duped.

and what the hell is this "it happens in war"?!?! Like I said, no sh!t captain obvious. We started a war and killed thousands of Iraqis, that's the problem.

 

[Pers]

hombrepequeno- immediately stop posting - you're hopeless...

hmmm...yeah uday is a huge problem, let's send a bunch of soldiers there to do the raping instead and since there is no civil order...any dude that has a boner just finds a chick to rape.

quit watching fox news and get a fvckin clue dude.

thanks for saving the iraqis again.... you and your "white man's burden" attitude is just so old.
it's funny they teach you guys history...and you learn all these stupid dates.

but it seems like the only damn thing you people have the capacity to remember is the second world war.

you guys seem to be able to connect ham and cheese with nazis. stop trying to act like smart asses and
admit your knowledge of history/politics is just what bush wants it to be.. non-existent

how about looking back at some past events and seeing how much they have in common w/ what's going on today.

naive white people being convinced they're helping foreigners by KILLING THEM.

thanks you have a nice day.




and unfortunately i get to share the chimp faced, incoherent dictator who claims to be human, named Bush

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
I hope you have a good flame suit.
The cattlehumping crowd will be here in 2 minutes with their bull Dari as the leader

"cattlehumping crowd"

LOL

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: Pers
well i can remember before the war a majority of you were screaming "GO AMERICA LETS GO KILL SOME IRAQI BUTT!!"

and now...you've admitted that you were just manipulated by your own government. well some of you have.

i bet for those of you who supported the "liberating machine" bush, now you feel dumb as...well someone who shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore

...your utter ignorance and support for the war effort only led to the death of many innocent people.

but it's ok...you people still get to sleep tight, and it's not like the rest of the world will give this event as much coverage as they did 9-11.

cause always and forever and american life is 10x more important than an Iraqi one.

heh...that's just disgusting.

And where are you from my friend?

The war only led to the death of innocent people? I don't really see how you can call the leaders of Iraq innocent. Sure some innocent people died and that's sad but it was a war and things like that happen. We did our best to prevent the death of innocent people but you can completely stop it from happening.

I guess we shouldn't have freed the Iraqis though. We should have let them suffer under a brutal dictator (so France and Germany could have their oil deals).

Still wondering how people are silly enough to claim the US "freed" the Iraqis unless your idea of freedom is being invaded, occupied, and controlled by a foreign army.

If we did our best to prevent deaths it wouldn't have involved shooting directly at them.

Granted they don't really have a lot of political freedom as of yet but they have 10 times the freedom of their neighbors (Syria, Saudi Arabia, & Iran). They will eventually have a democracy which is a lot better than the pathetic coucil they have now.

As for your other comment, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. If you're talking about intentionally shooting innocent Iraqis, could you provide a link?

You have some strange ideas of "freedom", it normally doesn't involve being occupied and controlled by a foriegn military. Are you thinking that none of the thousands of Iraqis that the US killed when they invaded were innocent?

They have the freedom to say what they want without the fear of being jailed or killed. The women have the freedom to not be raped in killed by people like Uday. And I'm guessing the Olympic team won't fear being beaten any more if they don't do so well in the Olympics. Those may not seem like much but it's just a start.

It's not like our military is going to be running the country forever. A stable democracy doesn't happen over night and it doesn't happen without help.

Of course some of the Iraqis we killed were innocent. That happens in war sometimes. It's still less than Saddam has killed.

You have your head buried in the sand or something? There's a freakin' serious rape problem right now which I just read about a couple days ago.

Human Rights Watch said crimes against women have increased along with other crime since Saddam Hussein was ousted in early April.

source

Innocents are still being shot dead by our military, and their country is controlled by a foreign army...so get of this ridiculous Iraqi Freedom BS. You've been duped.

and what the hell is this "it happens in war"?!?! Like I said, no sh!t captain obvious. We started a war and killed thousands of Iraqis, that's the problem.

I don't really see how my head is "buried in the sand." You yourself only read about that a couple days ago. Thanks for pointing it out though. I'm guessing that a good reason for this rise in crime is because we're just starting to get decent law enforcement back and when we toppled the government, Saddam set a bunch of prisoners free. Having a bunch of convicts on the loose doesn't usually help the crime rate. Something still needs to be done about that though.

Something also needs to be done about how we respond to attacks. The troops overreact by handcuffing everyone on the block that they were attacked on and shooting in the direction from where they think they're being fired upon (which sometimes hits innocent people). This is seriously hurting the general sentiment towards our troops.

I haven't been duped. I realize the reason for this war wasn't to free the Iraqis from an oppressive dictator. I realize that the main reason we did this was for oil. That doesn't change the fact that the Iraqis will probably be better off without their former government.

Look, I'm not saying the situation is perfect and everything we're doing in Iraq isn't perfect either. But you don't think that 2 or 3 years down the road Iraq isn't going to be 100 times better off than they were under Saddam?

Pers:

What does race have anything to do with it?

 

[Sternfan]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Corn

You are one of those blind sheep. Even if Dubya, Ashcroft etc... strips you of all your rights, you probably still build a shrine for him

What was that I said earlier about the discussions of simple minded people? The above quote is a perfect example.

...and here's simple-minded flavio
jumping into the thread just to attack other members and use cute :rolling-eyes: since he really doesn't have anything intelligent to say.

:yawn:

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Sternfan

Originally posted by: Corn

You are one of those blind sheep. Even if Dubya, Ashcroft etc... strips you of all your rights, you probably still build a shrine for him

What was that I said earlier about the discussions of simple minded people? The above quote is a perfect example.

...and here's simple-minded Sternfan
jumping into the thread just to attack other members and change what people said since he really doesn't have anything intelligent to say.

:yawn:

 

[Corn]

What was that I said earlier about the discussions of simple minded people? The stimulating conversation between Sternfan and Flavio above is yet another shining example. Good job fellas.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Corn
What was that I said earlier about the discussions of simple minded people? The stimulating conversation between Sternfan and Flavio above is yet another shining example. Good job fellas.

You don't even remember what you said? Talk about simple-minded. Geesh.

 

[Corn]

You don't even remember what you said? Talk about simple-minded. Geesh.

Of course I remember what I said, the 2nd sentence of my last post verifies that fact. Thanks for playing.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Pers
well i can remember before the war a majority of you were screaming "GO AMERICA LETS GO KILL SOME IRAQI BUTT!!"

and now...you've admitted that you were just manipulated by your own government. well some of you have.

i bet for those of you who supported the "liberating machine" bush, now you feel dumb as...well someone who shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore

...your utter ignorance and support for the war effort only led to the death of many innocent people.

but it's ok...you people still get to sleep tight, and it's not like the rest of the world will give this event as much coverage as they did 9-11.

cause always and forever and american life is 10x more important than an Iraqi one.

heh...that's just disgusting.

Went to check your location in your profile, funny you don't have the courage to list that. Not surprising. You have your opinion, which is garbage in mine. Don't like America, get off this american made and run forum and stay off the net too..... 😉

 

[phillyTIM]

hreat Alistar, just show them how snide and imperialistic Americans can be, and how right they were for not going along with America in that Iraq trash invasion

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
hreat Alistar, just show them how snide and imperialistic Americans can be, and how right they were for not going along with America in that Iraq trash invasion

Just pointing out how silly it is to come to an American site if you hate America so much....


How was my comment "imperialistic"? Do you need a dictionary? I will take the opinions of the Iraqi people over yours about the war. They are happy we did it, they are happy we are there.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Pers
well i can remember before the war a majority of you were screaming "GO AMERICA LETS GO KILL SOME IRAQI BUTT!!"

and now...you've admitted that you were just manipulated by your own government. well some of you have.

i bet for those of you who supported the "liberating machine" bush, now you feel dumb as...well someone who shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore

...your utter ignorance and support for the war effort only led to the death of many innocent people.

but it's ok...you people still get to sleep tight, and it's not like the rest of the world will give this event as much coverage as they did 9-11.

cause always and forever and american life is 10x more important than an Iraqi one.

heh...that's just disgusting.

Went to check your location in your profile, funny you don't have the courage to list that. Not surprising. You have your opinion, which is garbage in mine. Don't like America, get off this american made and run forum and stay off the net too..... 😉

as long as I pay the ISP bill I will come to this "american" forum when it suits me if that is OK for you

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Corn

You don't even remember what you said? Talk about simple-minded. Geesh.

Of course I remember what I said, the 2nd sentence of my last post verifies that fact. Thanks for playing.

The first sentence verifies that you are simple minded and the second doesn't help anything.

Thanks for making things easy.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
hreat Alistar, just show them how snide and imperialistic Americans can be, and how right they were for not going along with America in that Iraq trash invasion

Just pointing out how silly it is to come to an American site if you hate America so much....


How was my comment "imperialistic"? Do you need a dictionary? I will take the opinions of the Iraqi people over yours about the war. They are happy we did it, they are happy we are there.

The Iraqis are not happy, I'll take their opinion over your about the war. I think philly was just pointing out how silly you are.

 

[Corn]

The first sentence verifies that you are simple minded and the second doesn't help anything.

So mock reminiscing for posterity something I had said earlier in the day is a verification of simplemindedness, I see......well in the mind of the simpleminded evidently this must be true.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
hreat Alistar, just show them how snide and imperialistic Americans can be, and how right they were for not going along with America in that Iraq trash invasion

Just pointing out how silly it is to come to an American site if you hate America so much....


How was my comment "imperialistic"? Do you need a dictionary? I will take the opinions of the Iraqi people over yours about the war. They are happy we did it, they are happy we are there.

The Iraqis are not happy, I'll take their opinion over your about the war. I think philly was just pointing out how silly you are.

Read the opinion polls coming out of Iraq, they are happy we are there, they are happy we took action, and they will be extra happy when we leave for good..... That is THEIR opinion.

phillyTim is just a Bush Basher, he makes no valid points, never has...


you can come here anytime you want Free, I personally hate liver so I will follow your lead and go spend my money on some liver.....

 

[Michael]

Alistar7 - I'm pretty sure Fusetalk is a Canadian company (Zuni's from Ottawa if I remember correctly) and this is an international site, not an American site.

I disagree with much of what's posted in this thread, but it has nothing to do with the origin of the software and site.

Michael

 

[flavio]

Read the opinion polls coming out of Iraq, they are happy we are there, they are happy we took action, and they will be extra happy when we leave for good..... That is THEIR opinion.

Read the news, somehow our soldiers seem to end up dead every day hanging out with these people who are happy we are there. The polls I've seen indicate that the Iraqis aren't happy with the puppet government we're trying to set up and would like us to stay and rebuild the crap we blew up.

phillyTim is just a Bush Basher, he makes no valid points, never has...

You're a Bush-Lover, blinded by lust. You make no valid points, never have....

you can come here anytime you want Free, I personally hate liver so I will follow your lead and go spend my money on some liver.....

I don't think Free has a problem with American websites so much as Bush and the current admistrations actions. Same as the majority of the US has a problem with Bush. Another one of your missed points.

 

[freegeeks]

you can come here anytime you want Free, I personally hate liver so I will follow your lead and go spend my money on some liver.....

Oh yes

I hate americans. In fact I hate them so much that the last 3 years I have spent my vacations in the USA. I hate them so much that alltogether these vacations cost me something like 8000$. Boy I REALLY HATE AMERICANS -
I even hate my american friends BECAUSE they are american

You really don't have a clue

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: flavio

Read the opinion polls coming out of Iraq, they are happy we are there, they are happy we took action, and they will be extra happy when we leave for good..... That is THEIR opinion.

Read the news, somehow our soldiers seem to end up dead every day hanging out with these people who are happy we are there.

Is that all that's in the news or do you only read the headlines that suit your agenda? I saw in an interview lst night with a commander in Iraq, that Iraqis are helping themselves and our soldiers by gathering info on the people perpetrating the attacks on our soldiers. Others are just going about their business.

Frankly, terrorists just do this kind of thing because they know people like you will use what they do to perpetuate your anti-administration agenda which happens to be eerily similar to their own--get America out of Iraq, get Bush out of power. They're giving you something to bitch about cause that's all they can do and they know you'll do your part to the best of your abilities.