You don't believe in evolution? Have a look-see...

[Zucchini]

<< The question &quot;What was before the Big Bang?&quot; is easily answered: Nothing. There existed no time before the universe started to expand so there was no 'time before' the Big Bang. >>

Uh, ok big guy. Whatever you say. s

err, yes, all irrlevent.

 

[Napalm381]

<< . It have a hard time reading or listenting to what I consider unjustified arrogance >>

I have not stated that I am a senior in engineering and such because of &quot;arrogance&quot;. I'm not one to brag, as hard as that may be for you to believe (if you would ask any of my friends, that would confirm that). However, when people post absolutely false things about me (as you and fdiskboy) have done, I feel obligated to defend myself against such unjustified lies. From a few posts, you have been able to somehow determine that I am a joke, emotionally insecure, and pathetic. Whatever sort of psychiatric training you have is amazingly effective, given that you are able to so accuately conclude so many things about me in such a short time (ahem).



<< Now if you continue to dismiss my own arguments as unclear simply because you don't understand them >>

I understand things much better when they are stated clearly and not mixed in with lies about me. Now that you have resolved to keep your arguments on a scientific level, such misunderstandings hopefully will not occur. My intention was not to &quot;dismiss&quot; your arguments, merely to attempt to clarify what you meant, and perhaps discuss them further. However, you appeared to be more interested in a &quot;fvck you, idiot&quot; discussion than a reasonable, logical, scientific discussion.



<< Quite a few of my professors and colleagues understood them, and I'm sure their academic profile would compare favorably with yours (as incredible as that may be to believe). >>

You apologize for insulting me in one line, and a few sentences later you do it again. Pick a side- are you going to be a rational, logical person, or an asshole? The choice is yours. It's hard to give any weight to a person's points when their arguments are mixed in with insults and lies about others.

 

[bigd480]

<< The question &quot;What was before the Big Bang?&quot; is easily answered: Nothing.
How life came to existance? Easy: >>


man! forget Darwin! Elledan knows everything about the creation of our universe!

your &quot;scientific&quot; theories about what could theoretically have happened has as much substance as the creationist viewpoint...

who knows if nothing existed before the Big Bang? maybe it was the end of a previous world? and do Bangs just occur out of nowhere? something somewhere had to catalyze the process that became our world... period

your search for &quot;easy&quot; answers towards the most complex question within human existence shows how little intellect you have in respect to your &quot;information&quot;...

i guess subscribing to someone else's science-fiction theories and accepting them as fact would save your poor little ego from the harsh realization that you don't know what the hell you're talking about...

 

[LoqT]

WOOT!!!! Science 1, Religion -20000..... minus one point for every year that fanaticism killed innocent people.

 

[bigd480]

so i guess every weapon science created never killed an innocent person?

some ppl in hiroshima and nagasaki might beg to differ...

 

[Zucchini]

so i guess every weapon science created never killed an innocent person?


First of all, wtf does that have to do with anything. 2nd of all, if you want to account for the lives taken and saved by science, science has saved more then it has taken. I guess people don't take history but remember the lives taken by plagues? It used to be that many children didn't live to adulthood, and women died in child birth. Im sure the number of miscarriages due to nutrition and health was much much higher. Drugs to save the sick? haha, we'll bleed you or something. Innoculations against desease? none..

don't evne try to be funny.

 

[LoqT]

Yeah well there's a reason for that, religion has killed more people then any justified bomb has...killing someone on the basis of their beliefs is much more serious then on the basis of war.

 

[bigd480]

man, i was just replying to the stupid post above my last one about the +1/-20000, saying it's a double-edged sword...

jeez you ppl take everything so seriously... u try to take any statement and judge it by whether it's for/against your own beliefs instead of taking it for what it is...

are u that insecure in your own worth and intelligence that you feel the need to take full advantage of any/every opportunity to try to make yourself look &quot;better&quot; than someone else...?

apparently evolution hasn't taken us far enough...

 

[Elledan]

<<who knows if nothing existed before the Big Bang? maybe it was the end of a previous world? and do Bangs just occur out of nowhere? something somewhere had to catalyze the process that became our world... period>>

It couldn't have been the end of a previous world, unless this universe is inside another universe. Since there still is no proof for that, and therefore 'time' didn't exist before this universe expanded, there was no reason why the Big Bang occurred, it simply was the first thing which happened in the time-line of this and all universes that can possible exist somewhere outside this universe.

To summarize: nothing caused the Big Bang since it was the first event in the time-line. There didn't exist 'time' before this event, so nothing could have caused it.

There's no reason to believe that time actually is fluent, it can be discrete as well. If time-space is discrete, then all events are build up out of fragments, like frames with a computer game. You think that it's fluent because it goes too fast to notice the different images. The same can be true for this universe.

BTW the above is part of the Quantum Mechanics and other related theories. Heavy stuff thus

 

[GaryTcs]

Love this argument. Goes from some genetic material is shared between man and other life equals guaranteed evolution, to there must be nothing before the big bang. Talk about two absolutely unproveable points!! I find the genetic part at least interesting, but since we share common life functions with many other lifeforms, doesn't it seem logical that gene sequences would too, be similar in some areas? The big bang arguement however, is stupid. How in the hell do you intend to prove the &quot;there was no time&quot; theory? And this science vs. religion in killing ? Both are very responsible for countless human deaths respectively. Together they make a dream team of human destruction. Both also have humane sides, and together have saved countless lives. Human nature affects every human endeavour.

 

[CrazyRaider]

interesting, and as we can all see so will this topic be

 

[jhu]

Goes from some genetic material is shared between man and other life equals guaranteed evolution

to those who say that evolution is unscientific because it's unfalsifiable, well, it is falsifiable. just that we won't see the results in our lifetime(macro evolution anyways).

 

[Rio Rebel]

Very legitimate point, jhu.

 

[jhu]

yeah, so i propose we resequence the human genome every 1000 years or so. after a couple million years, our future generation will know if they really did evolve from us.

 

[Elledan]

<<The big bang arguement however, is stupid. How in the hell do you intend to prove the &quot;there was no time&quot; theory? >>

I see you still lack quite some information:

> The Universe is still expanding. This leads to the conclusion that at the beginning of this universe it must have started to expand. Since the universe had to start to expand first, there was no dimension 'time' (for that is what time is, yet another dimension), so nothing could have happened before the universe started to expand, since 'events' can only happen when a dimension 'time' exists.

Just take a look at Quantum Mechanics and you'll see.


Then I've yet some things for those who believe in creationism:

> The moon has played a gigantic role in the development of life on earth. Without the moon, there wouldn't maybe even be any life on the land, since due to the huge influence of the moon on tides on earth, life which lived near land was forced to adapt, since those places fell dry during ebb.
Since we can discard the theory that the current species who live on earth were created by god, but that they have evolved from less complicated species, the lack of any kind of description of the important role the moon played in the development of life is remarkable.

> Why would a god create a universe and create life? There's no reason whatsoever, so it must have been out of boredom

 

[SVTPower]

For all those SHEEP who don't believe in evolution do you guys know how to operate a TV remote... or have you even left church and gone to a museum?

Russia did a test on this (BTW this is for I.Q. 100+ people only) but on the Fox that are native to Russia. They contained some families of them and put them in a new climate, NOT letting them breed with other types of Dogs or Fox, and their offspring began to change over the period of only 20 years. They grew shorter fur and tails, and changed in size also.

BOOM this fact. Please hold the opinions and open your mind up.

Go to the to your local museum sometime and quit thinking that Evolution is some EVIL thing. If you HAVE to believe in creation whats so unbelieveable of God making creatures that can evolve.... Or is he too weak to do such a thing?

 

[Gulzakar]

I work for the DOE. I'm a student assistant for the Human Genome Project. A few weeks ago, I got to meet Crick Neat old man, nice guy...

Christianity is a cover up for ignorance. The problem with faith is just that...its faith. If I had faith every time I played the lottery, and was positive god was on my side( he always is, isn't he?), then I would be quite rich right now. I suggest that all the bible huggers here go take a simple Biology course and discover why so many people believe in evolution.

 

[Whitedog]

I wish Evolution and Creationism would get added to the BAN WORD LIST! hehehe

Geeze people, get the hell over it. No one on this forum has ever budged one way or the other on this subject, and never will. :|

hehe

 

[kami]

Neat little short story.