You don't believe in evolution? Have a look-see...
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Really makes you wonder...
<< The core recipe of humanity carries clumps of genes that show we are descended from bacteria. >>
Francis Crick had a theory about this, and it's quite thought provoking. Just think, if the homo sapiens sapiens are obliterated by a nuclear holocaust, asteroid impact, etc., bacteria will still survive. If we are descended from bacteria, potentially, a new chain of life may evolve once again.
It also brings up another idea. If we consider the Bible's ("Man over everything that creepeth upon the earth"
position on human superiority, there's little room for anything else. If we are in fact evolved, then would that not suggest that in fact, all life that is less evolved is closer to our Creator? If we are an abstraction built off the evolution of life over time, then we have evolved AWAY from our Creator, no?
[edit]We also have to consider, if were the creation of a creation, then the former creator would be ignorant to our existence, no? Would it not then be fair to at least consider that "God" doesn't even know we exist?[/edit]
Just a thought. No flames please.
<< The core recipe of humanity carries clumps of genes that show we are descended from bacteria. >>
Francis Crick had a theory about this, and it's quite thought provoking. Just think, if the homo sapiens sapiens are obliterated by a nuclear holocaust, asteroid impact, etc., bacteria will still survive. If we are descended from bacteria, potentially, a new chain of life may evolve once again.
It also brings up another idea. If we consider the Bible's ("Man over everything that creepeth upon the earth"
position on human superiority, there's little room for anything else. If we are in fact evolved, then would that not suggest that in fact, all life that is less evolved is closer to our Creator? If we are an abstraction built off the evolution of life over time, then we have evolved AWAY from our Creator, no?[edit]We also have to consider, if were the creation of a creation, then the former creator would be ignorant to our existence, no? Would it not then be fair to at least consider that "God" doesn't even know we exist?[/edit]
Just a thought. No flames please.
Same old same old. I see our genetic plan (as well as that of bacteria) as the creation of an efficient engineer, you see see it as evolution. No way to prove either side. I wouldn't put my faith in God or my lack of faith in no-God solely on the arguments for creation or evolution, I think there's a lot more in this world to found your beliefs on.
In the words of Tourniquet..
"Are you really going to beleive that Darwins words truely are the last?"
"Are you really going to beleive that Darwins words truely are the last?"
I guess I can't really see what's new in this article. Looks like an opinion piece from a bored phd at upenn.
Azraele
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<<hmm.. we're as complex as a vegetable >>
LOL
Well, it's something to think about. Humans have always been under the impression that they're the most complex things on this planet and all we do is rate up to an ear of corn. Hmmmm. I wonder how we compare to broccoli.
LOL
Well, it's something to think about. Humans have always been under the impression that they're the most complex things on this planet and all we do is rate up to an ear of corn. Hmmmm. I wonder how we compare to broccoli.
thraashman
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The problem with this article is that people are stubborn. No matter how much proof you show that evoltion takes place, someone who is unwilling to believe in it, won't even when they're shown irreputible evidence. I've believed for as long as I can remember in evolution, even when I still did believe in God. I think the idea that we just *poof* magically appeared seems kinda idiotic.
Yes Thraash, you are right.
Just because people have eyes, it does not mean that they also see.
Reasoning is another. Some people dare to reason, others prefer to believe.
It is your choice, but for those who would rather believe than think, just don't come to my house and piss in my wheaties. Just say no to Jehova's Witnesses!
It is hard to explain but beliefs are a survial trait and are hard to change. Check this out :Beliefs If you read enough about evolution vs creationism it quickly become apparant that a fair number of people will never change their ideas, no matter how wrong they appear to be. As long as they don't stop me in my life, I am cool with what you beleive.
Go darwin!!!
Go darwin!!!
BoberFett
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<< The problem with this article is that people are stubborn. No matter how much proof you show that evoltion takes place, someone who is unwilling to believe in it, won't even when they're shown irreputible evidence. I've believed for as long as I can remember in evolution, even when I still did believe in God. I think the idea that we just *poof* magically appeared seems kinda idiotic. >>
The problem with this article is that people are stubborn. No matter how many holes there are in evolutionary theory, someone who is unwilling to believe anything else, won't even when they're shown the holes. I've never believed completely in evolution, and I still believe in a god. I think the idea that we just accidentally appeared seems kinda idiotic.
Wow, that was easy to turn around.
<< Wow, that was easy to turn around. >>
The problem with the creationism "theories" is that there is no substance whatsoever to them. There are so many holes in them that there's no substance left whatsoever.
BoberFett
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Napalm
Creation isn't a theory, it's a belief, so you're correct in saying that there's no substance. But along the lines that many non-Christians argue about how if one thing in the bible is proven wrong, then potentially the whole book is wrong. Well, if there are a few things wrong with evolutionary theory, doesn't that mean that potentially everything is wrong?
Creation isn't a theory, it's a belief, so you're correct in saying that there's no substance. But along the lines that many non-Christians argue about how if one thing in the bible is proven wrong, then potentially the whole book is wrong. Well, if there are a few things wrong with evolutionary theory, doesn't that mean that potentially everything is wrong?
BoberFett, the main difference between evolution and creationism is that the latter is based on a myth and not on evidence collected over the years.
Hmmm. I think the debate between creationism and evolution is pointless. They are answers to two different questions.
You see, science answers the question "How?" as in "How was man created?" Sciences answer to this is most commonly explained as the process of evolution (although as a former Biology/Pre-med undergrad, I found this theory shaky, just not enough proof).
The Bible answers the quesions "Who?" and "Why?" as in "Who created man?" and "Why does man exist?" God created man. Whether he did it by a setting in motion a process of evolution or by saying abracadabra and *poof* everything was created is not completely answered in the Bible.
You see, science answers the question "How?" as in "How was man created?" Sciences answer to this is most commonly explained as the process of evolution (although as a former Biology/Pre-med undergrad, I found this theory shaky, just not enough proof).
The Bible answers the quesions "Who?" and "Why?" as in "Who created man?" and "Why does man exist?" God created man. Whether he did it by a setting in motion a process of evolution or by saying abracadabra and *poof* everything was created is not completely answered in the Bible.
BoberFett
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I guess if you consider god to be a myth, then yes. However many rational, logical people believe in a creator.
And for every piece of evidence I've seen that "proved" evolution, there are many things which don't add up, giving me reason to doubt current evolutionary theory.
And for every piece of evidence I've seen that "proved" evolution, there are many things which don't add up, giving me reason to doubt current evolutionary theory.
But you can't say that the 'theory' of creationism is build on a firm underground, can you?
Both theories still lack proof, and although that doesn't proof that any of those is wrong, the fact remains that the theory of evolution still grows, while nothing new is being added to creationism.
Therefore, odds are that the theory of evolution is right, since evidence is adding up.
Both theories still lack proof, and although that doesn't proof that any of those is wrong, the fact remains that the theory of evolution still grows, while nothing new is being added to creationism.
Therefore, odds are that the theory of evolution is right, since evidence is adding up.
Boberfett do you not realize the obvious?? Not everything adds up for evolution because we don't know everything. Just because we don't understand something right now doesn't mean we won't discover the answer tomorrow and it will all "add" up. Just because we don't understand something in science right now does NOT mean we should give credit to a god.
Just like the greeks believed that the gods caused the thunder, we now know the answer. Just because every part of evolution can't be pieced together doesn't mean it isn't true.
You can try to turn the other around by saying we just don't know enough to prove creationism but the fact remains that there is NO EVIDENCE for creationism.
Jim
Just like the greeks believed that the gods caused the thunder, we now know the answer. Just because every part of evolution can't be pieced together doesn't mean it isn't true.
You can try to turn the other around by saying we just don't know enough to prove creationism but the fact remains that there is NO EVIDENCE for creationism.
Jim
What this article proves = nothing.
Amount of scientific proof offered = zero.
This moron just likes spouting off. Nothing to see here.
Again, I'll say it for the cheap seats.
You will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER prove either evolution or creation UNLESS you can formulate a hypothesis that can be TESTED in the here and now.
Guess what, can't be done. Looks like these guys are looking for another excuse to bash Christians. Wonder why they don't pick on the Muslims more.
Amount of scientific proof offered = zero.
This moron just likes spouting off. Nothing to see here.
Again, I'll say it for the cheap seats.
You will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER prove either evolution or creation UNLESS you can formulate a hypothesis that can be TESTED in the here and now.
Guess what, can't be done. Looks like these guys are looking for another excuse to bash Christians. Wonder why they don't pick on the Muslims more.
<< The problem with the creationism "theories" is that there is no substance whatsoever to them. There are so many holes in them that there's no substance left whatsoever. >>
The problem with evolutionary "theories" is that there are no substance to them. There are so many holes in them that there is no substance left whatsoever.
Very easy to turn around.
Again, you guys don't have a clue about what science is. Anyone care to look up the scientific method.
Show me "proof" of evolution and I'll refute it every time. It's all about faith. You have yours and I have mine.
<< Not everything adds up for evolution because we don't know everything. >>
And yet we know everything about god?
(note to self - do not argue this in both places, stick to the bigger thread)
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