"You are stuck on stupid."

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The more I read about this guy and things he says, the more I like him. The media is so stuck on a mission of blame and Honore is absolutely no nonsense.

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New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin held a press conference a little bit ago, and started losing control to a media pool assembled that was showing signs of panic, due to the previous incompetence in the region by the local and state government. Lt. Gen. Russel Honore stepped in and literally took over. Here's what he had to say:

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Honore: And Mr. Mayor, let's go back, because I can see right now, we're setting this up as he said, he said, we said. All right? We are not going to go, by order of the mayor and the governor, and open the convention center for people to come in. There are buses there. Is that clear to you? Buses parked. There are 4,000 troops there. People come, they get on a bus, they get on a truck, they move on. Is that clear? Is that clear to the public?

Female reporter: Where do they move on...

Honore: That's not your business.

Male reporter: But General, that didn't work the first time...

Honore: Wait a minute. It didn't work the first time. This ain't the first time. Okay? If...we don't control Rita, you understand? So there are a lot of pieces of it that's going to be worked out. You got good public servants working through it. Let's get a little trust here, because you're starting to act like this is your problem. You are carrying the message, okay? What we're going to do is have the buses staged. The initial place is at the convention center. We're not going to announce other places at this time, until we get a plan set, and we'll let people know where those locations are, through the government, and through public announcements. Right now, to handle the number of people that want to leave, we've got the capacity. You will come to the convention center. There are soldiers there from the 82nd Airborne, and from the Louisiana National Guard. People will be told to get on the bus, and we will take care of them. And where they go will be dependent on the capacity in this state. We've got our communications up. And we'll tell them where to go. And when they get there, they'll be able to get a chance, an opportunity to get registered, and so they can let their families know where they are. But don't start panic here. Okay? We've got a location. It is in the front of the convention center, and that's where we will use to migrate people from it, into the system.

Male reporter: General Honore, we were told that Berman Stadium on the west bank would be another staging area...

Honore: Not to my knowledge. Again, the current place, I just told you one time, is the convention center. Once we complete the plan with the mayor, and is approved by the governor, then we'll start that in the next 12-24 hours. And we understand that there's a problem in getting communications out. That's where we need your help. But let's not confuse the questions with the answers. Buses at the convention center will move our citizens, for whom we have sworn that we will support and defend...and we'll move them on. Let's not get stuck on the last storm. You're asking last storm questions for people who are concerned about the future storm. Don't get stuck on stupid, reporters. We are moving forward. And don't confuse the people please. You are part of the public message. So help us get the message straight. And if you don't understand, maybe you'll confuse it to the people. That's why we like follow-up questions. But right now, it's the convention center, and move on.

Male reporter: General, a little bit more about why that's happening this time, though, and did not have that last time...

Honore: You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question. We are going to deal with Rita. This is public information that people are depending on the government to put out. This is the way we've got to do it. So please. I apologize to you, but let's talk about the future. Rita is happening. And right now, we need to get good, clean information out to the people that they can use. And we can have a conversation on the side about the past, in a couple of months.
If he ever runs for Pres, he's got my vote.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Yep, sadly the "mainstream" media doesn't seem to have the slightest clue. It's good to see them set straight instead of catered too for once.
 

bamacre

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I bet the media hates dealing with people like Honore, they are used to idiotic public officials who need to look good. He just needs to be himself and do his job. Stuck on stupid, LOL.

He was the one guy Bush sent to NO who got things done.
 

Starbuck1975

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Great thing about military leaders who have spent a career dealing with troops as opposed to government bureaucracy...they tend to call it as it is.

Kind of like Schwarzkopf did during the Gulf War...the way he handled the media was simply astonishing.
 

mikeford

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Makes you wonder though, how we pick our leaders, and why people like Colin Powell post gulf war refused to run. Pretty obviously there is something wrong in the system when the best it has to offer is Gore vs Bush and Kerry vs Bush. I wouldn't care to vote for either of them in a post higher than waste water board.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Ahh, another anti-Nagin thread. How quaint.
I didn't get that from Honore's statement. More like he's treating the press corps like the incompetent little children they are. ;)
 

Moonbeam

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Part of stupid is hero worship of the guy providing the bus. Did you see that dude cut through that crowd and dive in the pool to rescue his kid? Wow, did he ever flatten that guy who tried to stop him from running. What focus. Our new president.
 

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If more military leaders became politicians, we'd have a lot less bull$hit going on in our society around us. We'd also have fewer military conflicts as well.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Rogue
If more military leaders became politicians, we'd have a lot less bull$hit going on in our society around us. We'd also have fewer military conflicts as well.
Ike knew the dangers and so did Powell (but he didn't run, unfortunately).
 
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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Ahh, another anti-Nagin thread. How quaint.
:roll:
Didn't read it did you...
Considering Nagin's latest follies, it's easy to see how just reading the thread title could cause one to assume it's about him. ;)

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Rogue
If more military leaders became politicians, we'd have a lot less bull$hit going on in our society around us. We'd also have fewer military conflicts as well.

Really? History and contemporary times have more than a few examples of states run by current and former military people. Can you name one that you'd want to live in? There are well-defined and thoughtful reasons for why the military is civilian-controlled in the US. As far as Honore, he seems like and interesting personality, but you people HAVE to know that he wouldn't be elected without a major image-based facelift. He can get away with talking to a gaggle of reporters in a destroyed city in that fashion, but the Whitehouse press corps, and I hope, most of the American people wouldn't take kindly to being called "stupid" and lectured down to so easily.

 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Ahh, another anti-Nagin thread. How quaint.
No, more of an anti-media thread. Another frequent target of the right. Oh wait . . . TLC . . . d'oh! ;)

"Don't get stuck on stupid," is a great line though. Instant classic as someone used to say around here.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: Rogue
If more military leaders became politicians, we'd have a lot less bull$hit going on in our society around us. We'd also have fewer military conflicts as well.

Really? History and contemporary times have more than a few examples of states run by current and former military people. Can you name one that you'd want to live in? There are well-defined and thoughtful reasons for why the military is civilian-controlled in the US. As far as Honore, he seems like and interesting personality, but you people HAVE to know that he wouldn't be elected without a major image-based facelift. He can get away with talking to a gaggle of reporters in a destroyed city in that fashion, but the Whitehouse press corps, and I hope, most of the American people wouldn't take kindly to being called "stupid" and lectured down to so easily.

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Ahh, another anti-Nagin thread. How quaint.
No, more of an anti-media thread. Another frequent target of the right. Oh wait . . . TLC . . . d'oh! ;)

"Don't get stuck on stupid," is a great line though. Instant classic as someone used to say around here.
Actually, it's a pro-Honore thread. I understand that the left could have a difficult time understanding that not every thread posted in here has to be anti-something, but it does happen on rare occasions.

 

Starbuck1975

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He can get away with talking to a gaggle of reporters in a destroyed city in that fashion, but the Whitehouse press corps, and I hope, most of the American people wouldn't take kindly to being called "stupid" and lectured down to so easily.
Perhaps the White House press corps and the American people need a slap in the face to rid them of such sensitivities.

Really? History and contemporary times have more than a few examples of states run by current and former military people. Can you name one that you'd want to live in? There are well-defined and thoughtful reasons for why the military is civilian-controlled in the US.
Quite true, but the civilian/military dynamic has created a culture within the military where our nation is not prone to some general simply taking over because he thinks he can do it better.

Washington set that culture when he refused offers to become King George...former military leaders such as Grant and Eisenhower similarly went on to become elected Presidents...granted, one can debate the successes of their respective administrations, but it does illustrate how the politics of Washington can bog down even the most competent of leaders.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Ahh, another anti-Nagin thread. How quaint.
No, more of an anti-media thread. Another frequent target of the right. Oh wait . . . TLC . . . d'oh! ;)

"Don't get stuck on stupid," is a great line though. Instant classic as someone used to say around here.
Actually, it's a pro-Honore thread. I understand that the left could have a difficult time understanding that not every thread posted in here has to be anti-something, but it does happen on rare occasions.
All right, all right, don't git yer panties in a wad. ;) But wait! You . . . left . . . d'oh again!
 

Sketcher

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Ahh, another anti-Nagin thread. How quaint.
And if you'd have read it you'd see that your comment awards you this threads "Stuck on Stupid" award.



 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Perhaps the White House press corps and the American people need a slap in the face to rid them of such sensitivities.

:) I don't think I'm being sensitive because I'd resent being called stupid by a person who wouldn't know me from a hole in his mama's head. After seeing more than my share of press conferences, I've come to admire this tactic more than any other: Just ignore the stupid question and move on to the next. If the issue that was brought up turns out to not to be so stupid, go for a quick press release on the issue.

Really? History and contemporary times have more than a few examples of states run by current and former military people. Can you name one that you'd want to live in? There are well-defined and thoughtful reasons for why the military is civilian-controlled in the US.

Quite true, but the civilian/military dynamic has created a culture within the military where our nation is not prone to some general simply taking over because he thinks he can do it better.

I'm glad you see this SB, many here pretend not to understand why civilian control is so important. There was a time when I would have agreed with the rest, but I'm not so sure we wouldn't go for a "cigar-chomping, straight-talking" Patton-type, if thoroughly motivated by circumstances (A much worse 9/11-style attack?), and the right propaganda.

Washington set that culture when he refused offers to become King George...former military leaders such as Grant and Eisenhower similarly went on to become elected Presidents...granted, one can debate the successes of their respective administrations, but it does illustrate how the politics of Washington can bog down even the most competent of leaders.

In general I agree, but sadly, today's Americans are very different from those of past era's.